The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

Astute · Jan 1, 2019

Sick Boy said:
One side of what? What are you on about?

What has people pointing this stuff out got to do with a person’s view of Brexit? It has nothing to do with one’s preference to remain or leave.

Hasn't it?

You wanted tax dodgers in the UK sorting out. But when pointed out that Barnier started off the tax dodges he was OK to continue in his post.

Now there is a chance that someone could be doing something wrong in the UK you want it sorting. But there is no evidence anywhere so far. But those who will do or say anything to keep us in the EU are shouting loud again. And I don't mean just on here.

But these same people were in uproar at the thought of lorry parks on motorways. They were in uproar about goods maybe being delayed. Now they are in uproar about plans to do something about it.

Yeah nothing to do with Brexit.

Astute · Jan 1, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Yeah it does indeeed, how anyone can attempt to defend this and keep a straight face is beyond me.

So point out what you know is wrong. All I have found so far is angry words from anti Brexit people.

To me it is all about a Tory government that is now in panic as they should have had plans well in advance of where they are now.

But if they had you would be moaning about them wasting money on these plans. There is just so much material for you to have a go at. Bet you are enjoying yourself.

Grappa · Jan 1, 2019

Astute said:
So point out what you know is wrong. All I have found so far is angry words from anti Brexit people.

To me it is all about a Tory government that is now in panic as they should have had plans well in advance of where they are now.

But if they had you would be moaning about them wasting money on these plans. There is just so much material for you to have a go at. Bet you are enjoying yourself.

you are so fucking retarded.

Otis · Jan 1, 2019

Surely the only question to be had now is, is Theresa May's deal better than no deal at all? That's it isn't it? It's that simple.

An awful lot of people seem to believe her deal is a very bad deal.

So........

Grendel · Jan 1, 2019

Otis said:
Surely the only question to be had now is, is Theresa May's deal better than no deal at all? That's it isn't it? It's that simple.

An awful lot of people seem to believe her deal is a very bad deal.

So........

Well no of course it isn’t that simple and the CBI and leading businesses have all pressed MPs to vote for it.

Grendel · Jan 1, 2019

Sick Boy said:
The Sun
Daily Mail
Telegraph

To name but a few and the BBC isn’t anti Brexit- both sides often complain it is biased, which means it is probably doing an okay job
I don’t find Sky to be particularity anti Brexit either

I think given the ridiculous attempt to use an Agatha Christie book as an anti Brexit propaganda piece we can safely say where the BBC leans on this

Otis · Jan 1, 2019

It is that simple though, isn't it?

Corbyn has said we need to accept the will of the people.

Therefore it is May's deal or no deal and my question is, is May's deal so bad, no deal is more acceptable?

Very simple question.

Grendel · Jan 1, 2019

Otis said:
It is though, isn't it?

Corbyn has said we need to accept the will of the people.

Therefore it is May's deal or no deal and my question is, is May's deal so bad, no deal is more acceptable?

Very simple question.

No it isn’t. Corbyn wants a general election and there is the option of a delay and further negotiation

Otis · Jan 1, 2019

Grendel said:
No it isn’t. Corbyn wants a general election and there is the option of a delay and further negotiation

So, my question is, if it is down to May's deal, or no deal at all, is no deal more acceptable than May's deal?

Astute · Jan 1, 2019

Otis said:
Surely the only question to be had now is, is Theresa May's deal better than no deal at all? That's it isn't it? It's that simple.

An awful lot of people seem to believe her deal is a very bad deal.

So........

People talk about it as though it is to do with a trade deal. It has a guarantee of nothing. Cutting out all the bullshit it is an agreement to keep Ireland together, keep the UK together and then keep the UK in the EU when officially leaving the EU. They say that we would be in the EU as we are now but without a say in any EU matters while paying the full amount in until a deal is struck. Good news?

Those who don't want to leave see it as bad as we would be leaving. And they want something that keeps us in.

Those who want out of the EU see it as bad as we would be in the EU until they say we could leave. And they have constantly said they don't want us to leave. So it is possible that we could end up with a UK deal....Just like other countries have their own deals. But we would have signed away the right to leave when we want. And we would have signed away the right to make trade deals with anyone else in the world.

It isn't that is just bad. The problem is there is nothing good except things would stay the same until a deal is struck. That would be good for trade to continue as it is. But the EU has already said that hardly anything will change for at least a year after us leaving without a deal. They know how fragile many EU countries are and they don't want to make things worse. They are not doing it for our benefit.

It is more complex than this. But it is the easiest way to explain my take on it.

stupot07 · Jan 1, 2019

Will of the people rhetoric and the scaremongering that going against it will cause all sorts of riots, really winds me up.

17.4m (51.9% of those that turned out)

There were 46.5m registered to vote, a c70% turnout is very high...but 17.4m means that only 37% of those registered to vote voted it for brexit.

There are c66m people in the UK, not Everyone is eligible to vote however the 'will of the people' only 26% voted for Brexit.

Of the 4 nations that make up thr United Kingdom only England voted for Brexit.

Not saying we should go back on the vote, but can May et al overstating the will of the people.

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Sick Boy · Jan 1, 2019

stupot07 said:
Will of the people rhetoric and the scaremongering that going against it will cause all sorts of riots, really winds me up.

17.4m (51.9% of those that turned out)

There were 46.5m registered to vote, a c70% turnout is very high...but 17.4m means that only 37% of those registered to vote voted it for brexit.

There are c66m people in the UK, not Everyone is eligible to vote however the 'will of the people' only 26% voted for Brexit.

Of the 4 nations that make up thr United Kingdom only England voted for Brexit.

Not saying we should go back on the vote, but can May et al overstating the will of the people.

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It doesn’t help when you have idiots like Farage talking about picking up rifles if it doesn’t happen.

Astute · Jan 1, 2019

stupot07 said:
Will of the people rhetoric and the scaremongering that going against it will cause all sorts of riots, really winds me up.

17.4m (51.9% of those that turned out)

There were 46.5m registered to vote, a c70% turnout is very high...but 17.4m means that only 37% of those registered to vote voted it for brexit.

There are c66m people in the UK, not Everyone is eligible to vote however the 'will of the people' only 26% voted for Brexit.

Of the 4 nations that make up thr United Kingdom only England voted for Brexit.

Not saying we should go back on the vote, but can May et al overstating the will of the people.

Not bad going for most of that.

Wales and England voted leave.

You stated that only 26% voted leave. Should we have given children and babies the vote? Should we have given those not allowed to vote by British law the vote?

Should we make it illegal not to vote?

Otis · Jan 1, 2019

Sick Boy said:
It doesn’t help when you have idiots like Farage talking about picking up rifles if it doesn’t happen.

That's fine, it's Farage, so the barrel of his gun would be facing the wrong way.

Grendel · Jan 1, 2019

Otis said:
So, my question is, if it is down to May's deal, or no deal at all, is no deal more acceptable than May's deal?

Neither will likely happen though.

skybluetony176 · Jan 1, 2019

Otis said:
Surely the only question to be had now is, is Theresa May's deal better than no deal at all? That's it isn't it? It's that simple.

An awful lot of people seem to believe her deal is a very bad deal.

So........

There’s a lot of hoax going on here. Is it better than a no deal? Absolutely. The hoaxes is the game playing around the backstop. Take Corbyn’s Brexit policy for example, it contains a permanent customs union, so we’ll be tied into some EU law permanently. Take the little details we know about the ERG apparent Canada plus option, again a permanent customs union tied into EU laws. These people are claiming that May’s deal is a betrayal of the will of the people as the backstop ties us into EU law. There is however a mechanism to exit the backstop unlike the permanent customs unions that Corbyn or the Brexiteers boyband that’s the ERG are proposing. So surely their solutions are a bigger betrayal? If there is actually a betrayal in the first place. Which of course there isn’t. We voted in or out. Whichever version of out we end up with it’s the reality of what out is. Only at that point will those that voted out truly know what they voted for. The problem is people don’t seem to be able to accept the reality of what they voted for so it’s easier to point the finger of blame and claim betrayal.

Captain Dart · Jan 1, 2019

Otis said:
Surely the only question to be had now is, is Theresa May's deal better than no deal at all? That's it isn't it? It's that simple.

An awful lot of people seem to believe her deal is a very bad deal.

So........

I still hold the opinion it will be swallowed by the Tory party & a maybe a few Labour rebels.

Astute · Jan 2, 2019

Captain Dart said:
I still hold the opinion it will be swallowed by the Tory party & a maybe a few Labour rebels.

Which is what I was saying before. When I was saying it those who want to remain in the EU whatever had a right go at me telling me how wrong I was. Now reality is hitting home I expect them to start getting behind the May deal and say it should be accepted as it is a way of keeping us in the EU. It is the way this thread has gone.

But back to reality. We should either be in the EU or we should be out of the EU. Having one foot in and one foot out will cause more harm than anything.

But May knows what she is doing. Like I said before I think she is playing for time. She will have the MP vote when there is no more time for anything else. It will be deal or no deal. No time for anything else.

Sky Blue Pete · Jan 2, 2019

Astute said:
Which is what I was saying before. When I was saying it those who want to remain in the EU whatever had a right go at me telling me how wrong I was. Now reality is hitting home I expect them to start getting behind the May deal and say it should be accepted as it is a way of keeping us in the EU. It is the way this thread has gone.

But back to reality. We should either be in the EU or we should be out of the EU. Having one foot in and one foot out will cause more harm than anything.

But May knows what she is doing. Like I said before I think she is playing for time. She will have the MP vote when there is no more time for anything else. It will be deal or no deal. No time for anything else.

Thought that was Noel Edmonds

skybluetony176 · Jan 3, 2019

I see the brexit poster boy has been beating the drum for Teresa May’s deal again. To the farmers this time.

Farmers warned of Brexit no-deal 'turbulence'

Treason.

martcov · Jan 3, 2019

Ferry company with no ferries awarded multi-million pound government contract despite 'copying and pasting' parts of website from takeaway outlet

It gets worse

Sick Boy · Jan 3, 2019

martcov said:
Ferry company with no ferries awarded multi-million pound government contract despite 'copying and pasting' parts of website from takeaway outlet

It gets worse

And to think a certain poster was attempting to defend and deflect away from it - ha ha ha

martcov · Jan 3, 2019

martcov said:
Ferry company with no ferries awarded multi-million pound government contract despite 'copying and pasting' parts of website from takeaway outlet

It gets worse

Here is the text from the Ferry company. Note the bit about ordering your meal.

Seaborne Freight: Terms and Conditions

martcov · Jan 3, 2019

Sick Boy said:
And to think a certain poster was attempting to defend and deflect away from it - ha ha ha

What I cannot understand is that people defend something because it is has something to do with the glorious Brexit. For me, Brexit or no Brexit, it seems like a blag. Seems as if someone has connections and insider knowledge. They put a website quickly together and an offer and whoopee a 14 million contract. No point defending it as it has nothing to do with the act of Brexit, just looks like mates cashing in.

skybluetony176 · Jan 3, 2019

Sick Boy said:
And to think a certain poster was attempting to defend and deflect away from it - ha ha ha

TBF I think he’s a fan of their chicken chow mien.

skybluetony176 · Jan 3, 2019

martcov said:
What I cannot understand is that people defend something because it is has something to do with the glorious Brexit. For me, Brexit or no Brexit, it seems like a blag. Seems as if someone has connections and insider knowledge. They put a website quickly together and an offer and whoopee a 14 million contract. No point defending it as it has nothing to do with the act of Brexit, just looks like mates cashing in.

It’s the glorious blue passports all over again. Here’s your blue passports back but we’re taking the work away from British workers to deliver it. Only this time it’s look we’re giving a brexit contract to a British company. One that’s unlikely to ever be in a position to make good on that contract but it might just be a big enough distraction from the £80odd million pound contracts that they’ve given to Danish and French ferry companies that can deliver on said contracts. Sounds like we’re doing our best to assist EU countries in mitigating any Brexit losses by issuing Brexit contracts to EU countries courtesy of the British taxpayer.

djr8369 · Jan 3, 2019

martcov said:
What I cannot understand is that people defend something because it is has something to do with the glorious Brexit. For me, Brexit or no Brexit, it seems like a blag. Seems as if someone has connections and insider knowledge. They put a website quickly together and an offer and whoopee a 14 million contract. No point defending it as it has nothing to do with the act of Brexit, just looks like mates cashing in.

That’s exactly what it is, mates cashing in. Slowly the real reasons for Brexit become clear.

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martcov · Jan 3, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
It’s the glorious blue passports all over again. Here’s your blue passports back but we’re taking the work away from British workers to deliver it. Only this time it’s look we’re giving a brexit contract to a British company. One that’s unlikely to ever be in a position to make good on that contract but it might just be a big enough distraction from the £80odd million pound contracts that they’ve given to Danish and French ferry companies that can deliver on said contracts. Sounds like we’re doing our best to assist EU countries in mitigating any Brexit losses by issuing Brexit contracts to EU countries courtesy of the British taxpayer.

A history of the directors from a shipping paper:

Government Ridiculed Over RoRo Freight Investment in Company with Neither Ships nor Experience - Latest industry shipping news from the Handy Shipping Guide

Astute · Jan 3, 2019

Sick Boy said:
And to think a certain poster was attempting to defend and deflect away from it - ha ha ha

I take it you are on about me and saying against MP's supposedly on the take?

So which MP is on the take?

No evidence so far. But Mart will agree with you as usual.

Yes it looks like a shite way of putting it forward. But no money has gone to them so far it has been said.

Astute · Jan 3, 2019

djr8369 said:
That’s exactly what it is, mates cashing in. Slowly the real reasons for Brexit become clear.

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Real reason for Brexit? Have you not been following it at all?

The real reason for Brexit was for the Tories to get their votes back from UKIP. And it worked. The problem is that they didn't think the plebs would vote leave. They thought the vote was a foregone conclusion. Just shows how out of touch with the population that the Tories are.

martcov · Jan 4, 2019

Astute said:
I take it you are on about me and saying against MP's supposedly on the take?

So which MP is on the take?

No evidence so far. But Mart will agree with you as usual.

Yes it looks like a shite way of putting it forward. But no money has gone to them so far it has been said.

I have never suggested an MP is on the take.

Astute · Jan 4, 2019

martcov said:
I have never suggested an MP is on the take.

I noticed that the title to the thread had gone dark but no notifications on any more posts. Thought I would have a look.

So did I quote your post? Did I say in any way that you had said anything?

Not at all. I don't even see what you say these days. And what you have put for me replying to someone else shows why.

As you know I said about others saying MP's are on the take. There is no evidence at all so far. I said you would agree with SB. You always do even if it isn't the truth like with his latest allegation. And now someone else has said we are doing Brexit so MP's can go on the take. And again you agreed with the post.

I would unblock you if I thought there was a chance of a debate with you. But all you want to do is blame everyone except for those who you stick up for. The least you could do is get your story similar for the same evening. You blame the Russians. Yet when someone else blames someone different you agree with them.

But you know the truth. It was Cameron trying to get Tory votes back from UKIP. And countless millions of people not thinking that they are doing well out of us being in the EU. The catalyst was Cameron. The rest is the people.

And you ignore that leaders from countries in the EU are saying that reform is needed in the EU. Yet nothing happens as those running the EU don't want reform. They hold the power and want to keep it.

martcov · Jan 4, 2019

Astute said:
I noticed that the title to the thread had gone dark but no notifications on any more posts. Thought I would have a look.

So did I quote your post? Did I say in any way that you had said anything?

Not at all. I don't even see what you say these days. And what you have put for me replying to someone else shows why.

As you know I said about others saying MP's are on the take. There is no evidence at all so far. I said you would agree with SB. You always do even if it isn't the truth like with his latest allegation. And now someone else has said we are doing Brexit so MP's can go on the take. And again you agreed with the post.

I would unblock you if I thought there was a chance of a debate with you. But all you want to do is blame everyone except for those who you stick up for. The least you could do is get your story similar for the same evening. You blame the Russians. Yet when someone else blames someone different you agree with them.

But you know the truth. It was Cameron trying to get Tory votes back from UKIP. And countless millions of people not thinking that they are doing well out of us being in the EU. The catalyst was Cameron. The rest is the people.

And you ignore that leaders from countries in the EU are saying that reform is needed in the EU. Yet nothing happens as those running the EU don't want reform. They hold the power and want to keep it.

I don’t blame the Russians. They have some influence through SM, but the are several influences including pro Brexit newspapers that have been pumping out lies for decades. I have said there is need for reform, but some sorts of reforms wouldn’t be liked by yourself anyway. Cameron wasn’t the catalyst. Cameron was the enabler, there were plenty of different reasons for leaving, some conflicting with others.

You have said that I agree that some MP is on the take with this Seabourne scandal. I don’t. I agree that there will be a connection to some politician or politicians though. It can be through party donations or mutual friends or through family.

It is amazingly unprofessional from what we know and breaks normal procedures for giving contracts.

Who am I sticking up for?

djr8369 · Jan 4, 2019

Astute said:
Real reason for Brexit? Have you not been following it at all?

The real reason for Brexit was for the Tories to get their votes back from UKIP. And it worked. The problem is that they didn't think the plebs would vote leave. They thought the vote was a foregone conclusion. Just shows how out of touch with the population that the Tories are.

Sure, that was the reason for holding the vote but there are a lot of reasons as to why some MPs back it.

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clint van damme · Jan 4, 2019

martcov said:
What I cannot understand is that people defend something because it is has something to do with the glorious Brexit. For me, Brexit or no Brexit, it seems like a blag. Seems as if someone has connections and insider knowledge. They put a website quickly together and an offer and whoopee a 14 million contract. No point defending it

Astute said:
I take it you are on about me and saying against MP's supposedly on the take?

So which MP is on the take?

No evidence so far. But Mart will agree with you as usual.

Yes it looks like a shite way of putting it forward. But no money has gone to them so far it has been said.

there is no evidence of any MP on the take, you're correct, though A, CD didn't say there was as he explained to you and B, there is evidence linking it to a tory donor.

So putting that to one side, don't you think the whole thing is still very suspicious?

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