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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (5 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,721
Grendel said:
According to you this is the single biggest crises the uk has faced for decades. What would be more important?
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It is a crisis. Nothing is more important. We need a party or group of MPs for people to vote for.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,722
martcov said:
It is a crisis. Nothing is more important. We need a party or group of MPs for people to vote for.
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There is a party - that is the democratic process - I said to you before the public had no choice with Maastricht and Lisbon abd you said that’s what democracy is even if no party offered an option. There is one that does offer a choice if people have other proities it’s their choice.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,723
Grendel said:
There is a party - that is the democratic process - I said to you before the public had no choice with Maastricht and Lisbon abd you said that’s what democracy is even if no party offered an option. There is one that does offer a choice if people have other proities it’s their choice.
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The government acted on behalf of the public... it’s called parliamentary democracy.. now we have a government that is split and an opposition that is split.

Anyway HSV lost to Kiel. HSV is still top and Kiel is in the running for a play off place ... so wtf I am happy.. Back for the Southend game. Hoping for a CCFC win and for a happy Christmas..
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,724
martcov said:
I didn’t say any of that. I just said you have to count their intentions in addition to those who have changed their minds.

In the seventies I was not ban the bomb, going to peace rallies and free love. Enjoyed shagging in the back of my estate care in Staircase Lane though. I am more experienced and wiser now.
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So now you don't do shagging but you want to ban the bomb, go on peace rallies and believe in free love?
 

Astute

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,725
Grendel said:
Excellent news anyway. Corbyn confirms labour will honour Brexit and commit to the will of the people
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Which is what I have been saying. Corbyn doesn't want to go against Brexit because the Labour strongholds voted for Brexit. Yet this was denied by the usual suspects on here.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,726
martcov said:
I haven’t said they haven’t become more conservative. I count myself as conservative in attitude.
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At last the truth is out. You are happy for the poor to suffer so the rich can prosper even more. And that is what the EU is about. Food prices are kept artificially high. Nearly half of the money the EU gets from the tax payer goes to keeping food prices higher. And a high % of the money the poor has goes on food.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,727
Astute said:
At last the truth is out. You are happy for the poor to suffer so the rich can prosper even more. And that is what the EU is about. Food prices are kept artificially high. Nearly half of the money the EU gets from the tax payer goes to keeping food prices higher. And a high % of the money the poor has goes on food.
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Just leave it out. Load of crap. I am now officially pissed. Great day.

Conservative with a small c. You
don’t comprehend. Nothing new there.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,728
Astute said:
Which is what I have been saying. Corbyn doesn't want to go against Brexit because the Labour strongholds voted for Brexit. Yet this was denied by the usual suspects on here.
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No. He is out of touch. Labour members want a second referendum. Which labour Socialist would be on the same page as Trump and Putin?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,729
martcov said:
Just leave it out. Load of crap. I am now officially pissed. Great day.

Conservative with a small c. You
don’t comprehend. Nothing new there.
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HAHA! Fair play mate!
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,730
martcov said:
No. He is out of touch. Labour members want a second referendum. Which labour Socialist would be on the same page as Trump and Putin?
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Labour members are not the electorate - all real labour socialists would be on the same page - that shows how clueless you are
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,731
martcov said:
Just leave it out. Load of crap. I am now officially pissed. Great day.

Conservative with a small c. You
don’t comprehend. Nothing new there.
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Ah. So Conservative until questioned. Then Conservative with a small C?

You are either a Tory or you are not a Tory. I am Labour. I am not Labour with a small L because I don't like the direction we have been going in for a few years.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,732
It’s amazing. I never knew that politics is so black and white. Maybe that’s why politicians always talk straight. Anyhoo, if you’re labour you’re labour and if you’re conservative you’re conservative. Neither party is split, obviously.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,733
martcov said:
No. He is out of touch. Labour members want a second referendum. Which labour Socialist would be on the same page as Trump and Putin?
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Labour members?

So Labour voters don't count? Corbyn is supposed to have admitted that 60% of Labour voters voted to leave the EU. And that was exactly what I have been saying. Look at the colour coded maps I put up. Nearly every area in England voted leave. All of Scotland voted remain. The rich areas of England voted remain.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,734
skybluetony176 said:
It’s amazing. I never knew that politics is so black and white. Maybe that’s why politicians always talk straight. Anyhoo, if you’re labour you’re labour and if you’re conservative you’re conservative. Neither party is split, obviously.
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And if you defend Mart whatever you defend Mart whatever
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,735
Astute said:
And if you defend Mart whatever you defend Mart whatever
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It’s not defending anything. It’s stating the obvious. There’s a wide range of views on a wider range of subjects in both parties. Always has been, always will. To pigeon hole anyone who considers themselves either a conservative or labour in a one size fits all hole is moronic. All of a sudden I remember who I’m talking to for some reason.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,736
skybluetony176 said:
It’s not defending anything. It’s stating the obvious. There’s a wide range of views on a wider range of subjects in both parties. Always has been, always will. To pigeon hole anyone who considers themselves either a conservative or labour in a one size fits all hole is moronic. All of a sudden I remember who I’m talking to for some reason.
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And ignore everything I say until you see something you can twist.

So I suppose the rich vote Labour and the poor votes Tory? They must do as otherwise the voters would be pigeonholed. And we can't have that.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,737
Astute said:
And ignore everything I say until you see something you can twist.

So I suppose the rich vote Labour and the poor votes Tory? They must do as otherwise the voters would be pigeonholed. And we can't have that.
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And then just to prove my point you reply in that way only you can. Cheers.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,738
skybluetony176 said:
And then just to prove my point you reply in that way only you can. Cheers.
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Yes. I come out with the truth. And everyone knows it is the truth.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,739
Astute said:
Yes. I come out with the truth. And everyone knows it is the truth.
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Says the man who thinks horses like horse racing. If everyone knows that you come out with the truth and everyone knows it’s the truth why do you spend so much time arguing with half the posters on here?
 
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Grappa

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,740
Astute said:
Ah. So Conservative until questioned. Then Conservative with a small C?

You are either a Tory or you are not a Tory. I am Labour. I am not Labour with a small L because I don't like the direction we have been going in for a few years.
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"Small-c conservatism: This term is used in the United Kingdom to describe those who are conservative in the sense of resisting radical change rather than being members or supporters of the official Conservative Party."
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,741
Grappa said:
"Small-c conservatism: This term is used in the United Kingdom to describe those who are conservative in the sense of resisting radical change rather than being members or supporters of the official Conservative Party."
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Certainly not the bright young things who joined labour to sweep Mr Corbyn into power surely?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,742
skybluetony176 said:
Says the man who thinks horses like horse racing. If everyone knows that you come out with the truth and everyone knows it’s the truth why do you spend so much time arguing with half the posters on here?
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Half? You mean you and Mart?

Says it all.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,743
Grappa said:
"Small-c conservatism: This term is used in the United Kingdom to describe those who are conservative in the sense of resisting radical change rather than being members or supporters of the official Conservative Party."
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We need radical change. Yet you want to celebrate those against it?

Have you noticed how the poor are doing?

Or was you on about the EU?

Even the leaders of the countries in the EU say it needs to change.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,744
Astute said:
We need radical change. Yet you want to celebrate those against it?

Have you noticed how the poor are doing?

Or was you on about the EU?

Even the leaders of the countries in the EU say it needs to change.
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Yes. Just me and Mart. And Grappa. And Sickboy. And Clint. Sometimes Cheif Dave. Sometimes Fernando.

In fact the only people who seem to agree with you all the time are the Racists. And Grendull. Although I’m fairly sure Grendull knows horses don’t like horse racing.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,745
Astute said:
Which is what I have been saying. Corbyn doesn't want to go against Brexit because the Labour strongholds voted for Brexit. Yet this was denied by the usual suspects on here.
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Isn't it also what they agreed at the last labour conference. They would only call for a second referendum if May lost the vote in parliament then refused to call a general election.
 

Westendlad

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,746
skybluetony176 said:
Yes. Just me and Mart. And Grappa. And Sickboy. And Clint. Sometimes Cheif Dave. Sometimes Fernando.

In fact the only people who seem to agree with you all the time are the Racists. And Grendull. Although I’m fairly sure Grendull knows horses don’t like horse racing.
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What a sad little twat you are..
 
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Astute

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,747
chiefdave said:
Isn't it also what they agreed at the last labour conference. They would only call for a second referendum if May lost the vote in parliament then refused to call a general election.
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Err. Corbyn has said no second referendum whatever hasn't he? So not what the party has said.....
 

Astute

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  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,748
skybluetony176 said:
Yes. Just me and Mart. And Grappa. And Sickboy. And Clint. Sometimes Cheif Dave. Sometimes Fernando.

In fact the only people who seem to agree with you all the time are the Racists. And Grendull. Although I’m fairly sure Grendull knows horses don’t like horse racing.
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Right you can fuck off.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,749
There’s some tetchy people on here tonight. Cheer up dudes, it’s Christmas.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,750
Astute said:
Err. Corbyn has said no second referendum whatever hasn't he? So not what the party has said.....
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Maybe he has, I was looking at the interview in the Guardian on Friday which I thought was what people were referring to.

Labour policy is only to call for a second referendum if May loses the vote and then refuses to call a general election. The interview in the Guardian talks about what would happen if Labour won a snap general election. In that scenario it would be in line with Labour policy to complete Brexit with no second referendum.

He also specifically states that if there was a second referendum it would be up to the party to decide Labours stance, not for him to dictate.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,751
chiefdave said:
Maybe he has, I was looking at the interview in the Guardian on Friday which I thought was what people were referring to.

Labour policy is only to call for a second referendum if May loses the vote and then refuses to call a general election. The interview in the Guardian talks about what would happen if Labour won a snap general election. In that scenario it would be in line with Labour policy to complete Brexit with no second referendum.

He also specifically states that if there was a second referendum it would be up to the party to decide Labours stance, not for him to dictate.
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He will never agree to it as he knows it would destroy labour at the ballot box.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2018
  • #27,752
chiefdave said:
Maybe he has, I was looking at the interview in the Guardian on Friday which I thought was what people were referring to.

Labour policy is only to call for a second referendum if May loses the vote and then refuses to call a general election. The interview in the Guardian talks about what would happen if Labour won a snap general election. In that scenario it would be in line with Labour policy to complete Brexit with no second referendum.

He also specifically states that if there was a second referendum it would be up to the party to decide Labours stance, not for him to dictate.
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It looks like he has said no second referendum whatever happens. And it also looks like he has admitted that 60% of Labour voters voted to leave the EU. So it would be political suicide to go against their own voters. And as you will know it is what I have been saying.

There is more of a chance of the Tories having a second referendum.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #27,753
Astute said:
At last the truth is out. You are happy for the poor to suffer so the rich can prosper even more. And that is what the EU is about. Food prices are kept artificially high. Nearly half of the money the EU gets from the tax payer goes to keeping food prices higher. And a high % of the money the poor has goes on food.
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If you think Brexit is for anyone but the super rich I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

The poor can’t dodge shocks to the economy, the likes of Rees Mogg and Dyson and Johnson and Weatherspoons fella will just see it as a money making opportunity.

They’re pissing themselves that they’ve fooled a bunch of plebs into voting to make thensleves poorer and the upper class richer.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #27,754
Astute said:
It looks like he has said no second referendum whatever happens. And it also looks like he has admitted that 60% of Labour voters voted to leave the EU. So it would be political suicide to go against their own voters. And as you will know it is what I have been saying.

There is more of a chance of the Tories having a second referendum.
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It’ll be the beginning of the end for Corbyn if he pushed on with Brexit. As others have said, Brexit has nothing to do with making the poorest’s lives better.
 
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Astute

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  • Dec 24, 2018
  • #27,755
shmmeee said:
If you think Brexit is for anyone but the super rich I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

The poor can’t dodge shocks to the economy, the likes of Rees Mogg and Dyson and Johnson and Weatherspoons fella will just see it as a money making opportunity.

They’re pissing themselves that they’ve fooled a bunch of plebs into voting to make thensleves poorer and the upper class richer.
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Would you like to show where I have said that? As usual those who think we must stay in the EU whatever read what they want from my comments.

Yes the rich do the best out of us being in the EU. The poor get affected for the worse more than the rich. The EU isn't good for everyone.

And this is where I get accused of scapegoating someone or other.

Whatever anyone says Labour voters wanted out. Tory voters wanted in. About half of the EU budget goes to mainly the rich or well off. EU freedom of movement benefits those who employ people.

But this isn't saying most if not all don't benefit in some way at least. But people will vote in the way their personal circumstances and general views tell them to.

What is so hard to understand?
 
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