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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Dec 21, 2018
  • #27,651
martcov said:
Just got a letter from my life assurance fund with Scottish Widows. They and most other insurers will be opening offices in the EU post Brexit. I have to sign a new contract with the EU subsidiary. There is a hearing on 14. March in London to approve the move. They have chosen Luxemburg because of it’s stable conjuncture and international experience of licensing cross border insurers. This costs them money which will be passed on to customers and they won’t be coming back even with a second referendum. Add to that that the English beer brand that I sell is now coming from Holland and I can see the damage that Brexit is doing in my own small world. No tangible benefits in sight as billions are spent taking on new civil servants and preparing for chaos. There are 17,4 million people who voted for this. A policy encouraged by our biggest adversaries and discouraged by our closest allies. Something wrong here.
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I think all of us who voted for brexit genuinely feel for your terrible dilemma.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 21, 2018
  • #27,652
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
I think all of us who voted for brexit genuinely feel for your terrible dilemma.
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I am really not bothered. I suspect people who work in these industries may see it differently. As I say, enjoy your Brexit supported by two world leaders who I am sure are solely interested in the future of Britain. Maybe not for the same reasons as most people in Britain though.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 21, 2018
  • #27,653
martcov said:
The administration. The setting up costs of a subsidiary. The preparation for and the representation at a hearing in London. Maybe office space, extra staff etc.. Not a fortune, but an unnecessary expense. How‘s the job situation at JLR coming along?
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Sorry? So are the fees escalating? Mine aren’t.

Jobs at JLR have nothing to do with Brexit. The company issued an internal statement today though recommending the deal currently on the table and its better than any other alternative
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Dec 21, 2018
  • #27,654
martcov said:
I am really not bothered. I suspect people who work in these industries may see it differently. As I say, enjoy your Brexit supported by two world leaders who I am sure are solely interested in the future of Britain. Maybe not for the same reasons as most people in Britain though.
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You really need to stop moaning 24/7/365 because it won't get you anywhere. You need to move on and get some contingency plans together. I can send you a pop up Anderson shelter if you like.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 21, 2018
  • #27,655
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
You really need to stop moaning 24/7/365 because it won't get you anywhere. You need to move on and get some contingency plans together. I can send you a pop up Anderson shelter if you like.
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I just told you. I have to deal with a new EU subsidiary company, some of my UK products are now made in the EU and I have taken out German citizenship. Those are the contingency plans from me and my suppliers. You guys just don’t want to recognise what you have set in motion. When you see both Trump and Putin encouraging the government to go ahead despite all warnings, you must smell a rat. Or perhaps not...
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 21, 2018
  • #27,656
Grendel said:
Sorry? So are the fees escalating? Mine aren’t.

Jobs at JLR have nothing to do with Brexit. The company issued an internal statement today though recommending the deal currently on the table and its better than any other alternative
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The costs for Scottish Widows are increased. Either they absorb it or pass it on in some way in the future. But, costs have increased short term.
 
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Grappa

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,657
Grendel said:
Sorry? So are the fees escalating? Mine aren’t.

Jobs at JLR have nothing to do with Brexit. The company issued an internal statement today though recommending the deal currently on the table and its better than any other alternative
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did you not get the email today saying jlr is 'unviable' with a no-deal brexit?
 
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dutchman

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,658
martcov said:
They say „birds of a feather flock together“. There seems to be a synergy between social media support for Trump, Brexit and Putin. It is a bit of a joke when some Brexiters call remainers traitors whilst at the same time supporting our main potential adversaries in trade and in foreign policy.
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They may be your adversaries, they're certainly not mine.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,659
martcov said:
I just told you. I have to deal with a new EU subsidiary company, some of my UK products are now made in the EU and I have taken out German citizenship. Those are the contingency plans from me and my suppliers. You guys just don’t want to recognise what you have set in motion. When you see both Trump and Putin encouraging the government to go ahead despite all warnings, you must smell a rat. Or perhaps not...
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You also need to get real.

This all started off because of what is happening in the EU. You always try to make out that the right wing growing in strength in the EU isn't a problem. But it is what caused the referendum in the UK. And it is what tipped the balance in favour of leaving the EU. Cameron agreed to the referendum if the Tories got back in so he could get back the votes the Tories lost to UKIP.

We now have right wing governments in the EU. And the right wing movements are growing all over. It even went down to Macron or extreme right wing in France last time. If it was rerun now the extreme right wing would most probably win. Yet you still don't see it as a problem.

Yet those at the top of the EU carry on playing the fiddle expecting everyone to dance to their tune. Different leaders are calling for reform. But they get ignored. Yet you try to blame those who want out for everything.

Yes there are those who want out of the EU that are misguided. They don't have a clue about what is going on. But at the other end of the scale there are people like yourself. It doesn't matter what the EU does. You will always back them up and look for excuses for them. You will always blame someone else for everything.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,660
dutchman said:
They may be your adversaries, they're certainly not mine.
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I know.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,661
Astute said:
You also need to get real.

This all started off because of what is happening in the EU. You always try to make out that the right wing growing in strength in the EU isn't a problem. But it is what caused the referendum in the UK. And it is what tipped the balance in favour of leaving the EU. Cameron agreed to the referendum if the Tories got back in so he could get back the votes the Tories lost to UKIP.

We now have right wing governments in the EU. And the right wing movements are growing all over. It even went down to Macron or extreme right wing in France last time. If it was rerun now the extreme right wing would most probably win. Yet you still don't see it as a problem.

Yet those at the top of the EU carry on playing the fiddle expecting everyone to dance to their tune. Different leaders are calling for reform. But they get ignored. Yet you try to blame those who want out for everything.

Yes there are those who want out of the EU that are misguided. They don't have a clue about what is going on. But at the other end of the scale there are people like yourself. It doesn't matter what the EU does. You will always back them up and look for excuses for them. You will always blame someone else for everything.
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I constantly say what I think about right wing movements. Brexit and Trump have shown what happens when the people vote for them. It will take years to clean up the mess these have caused.

How you get to that I don’t see right wing movements as a problem, I don’t know.

When I say they are still a minority where I live, that is a fact. AfD got 6% at the last state elections. They are still a problem. The next state elections will be in Saxony where they expect 25%. They are in a „dark money“ scandal at the moment. I hope that knocks a couple of percent off their total.

I have said the EU needs reform. Of course it does. Leaving won’t help there. You have yet to clarify what you mean by reforms. What I want is probably different to what you want. Different leaders call for different reforms as in any democratic organisation. Some win with their arguments, others don’t. You call it being ignored. It isn’t if their suggestions are discussed and rejected.

You confuse me pointing out things that you get wrong as making excuses for the EU. It isn’t, it is pointing out your mistakes.

I don’t blame those who want out for anything. I think leaving doesn’t help anyone.

Who are these people at the top who ignore everyone?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,662
dutchman said:
They may be your adversaries, they're certainly not mine.
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Murdering people in the UK, invading European countries, buzzing NATO warships, interfering in the elections of NATO countries and Brexit are all things which UK adversaries do. You support them. Trump is wrecking his economy and US foreign policy and wants a quick trade deal while the UK is distressed in favour of US exporters and you support him.

And you support Brexit which looks like causing the UK huge damage.

Nice guy.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,663
Grappa said:
did you not get the email today saying jlr is 'unviable' with a no-deal brexit?
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„Brexit bluster“ was the description last time this was mentioned, and Grendel should know. I think JLR should ask their employees who thinks Brexit is worth being poorer for. Then take these people at their word and sack them as opposed to sacking people who voted remain.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,664
martcov said:
„Brexit bluster“ was the description last time this was mentioned, and Grendel should know. I think JLR should ask their employees who thinks Brexit is worth being poorer for. Then take these people at their word and sack them as opposed to sacking people who voted remain.
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Yes that sums you up - a lot of businesses are pushing for the deal to be signed - you seem not to be acknowledging that,
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,665
Grendel said:
Yes that sums you up - a lot of businesses are pushing for the deal to be signed - you seem not to be acknowledging that,
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I acknowledge that and I understand it. Are leavers in general? Most on SM seem to want to crash out.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,666
The polls are clear: support for staying in the EU has rocketed | Peter Kellner
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,667
Lol the Guardian really now is the left wing Express. Gutter journalism
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,668
Grendel said:
Lol the Guardian really now is the left wing Express. Gutter journalism
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Any comment on the figures from one of the most respected pollsters there is
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,669
Sky Blue Pete said:
Any comment on the figures from one of the most respected pollsters there is
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Yes the numbers don’t actually add up to 17 million
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,670
Grendel said:
Yes the numbers don’t actually add up to 17 million
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And? What about the percentages and the analysis?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,671
martcov said:
And? What about the percentages and the analysis?
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Of the 17 million who voted leave....then missed out 2 million in the “analysis”
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,672
Grendel said:
Of the 17 million who voted leave....then missed out 2 million in the “analysis”
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Very good. But, what about the percentages and analysis that they didn't miss out?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,673
He’s as bad as the politicians
 
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Grendel

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,674
martcov said:
Very good. But, what about the percentages and analysis that they didn't miss out?
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Well it’s void isn’t it as they’ve asked two separate questions and created a percentage from it. All of actually shows is if there was another referendum there is every chance of deadlock or the same result
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,675
Grendel said:
Well it’s void isn’t it as they’ve asked two separate questions and created a percentage from it. All of actually shows is if there was another referendum there is every chance of deadlock or the same result
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It really doesn’t show that Grendel that’s the wrong conclusion
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,676
Sky Blue Pete said:
It really doesn’t show that Grendel that’s the wrong conclusion
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No it isn’t. It’s put a hypothetical scenario and of accept the deal or remain and made an absurd percentage conclusion. It shows the swing with leave voters at most is two million but there are are a million remain voters who also could swing which still under a yes no scenario would mean leave. Oh and two million leave voters intent seems to have gone missing
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,677
martcov said:
I just told you. I have to deal with a new EU subsidiary company, some of my UK products are now made in the EU and I have taken out German citizenship. Those are the contingency plans from me and my suppliers. You guys just don’t want to recognise what you have set in motion. When you see both Trump and Putin encouraging the government to go ahead despite all warnings, you must smell a rat. Or perhaps not...
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The world is going to end .
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,678
Grendel said:
No it isn’t. It’s put a hypothetical scenario and of accept the deal or remain and made an absurd percentage conclusion. It shows the swing with leave voters at most is two million but there are are a million remain voters who also could swing which still under a yes no scenario would mean leave. Oh and two million leave voters intent seems to have gone missing
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2,5 years of new voters coming in and older ones dying distorts the calculation.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,679
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
The world is going to end .
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No it isn’t. People will maybe be poorer or lose their jobs and there will be disruption. Prices will rise and some things will be in short supply for a time, but the world won’t end. More red tape and more civil servants. Thanks.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,680
martcov said:
2,5 years of new voters coming in and older ones dying distorts the calculation.
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That's just like saying if jch had taken his chance in the first half we might have got a draw today.
In 20 years time remain might have won by 70% to 30%.
It counts for absolutely nothing. You keep saying this over and over again. It counts for nothing. It's very sad.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,681
martcov said:
2,5 years of new voters coming in and older ones dying distorts the calculation.
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That again is just desperate and offensive. So the brainwashed zombie youth are require to help the cause.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,682
martcov said:
No it isn’t. People will maybe be poorer or lose their jobs and there will be disruption. Prices will rise and some things will be in short supply for a time, but the world won’t end. More red tape and more civil servants. Thanks.
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Oh yes it will end. Don't kid yourself it will be alright. The leavers will eat the remainers and die of food poisoning. You'll be first to go.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,683
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
That's just like saying if jch had taken his chance in the first half we might have got a draw today.
In 20 years time remain might have won by 70% to 30%.
It counts for absolutely nothing. You keep saying this over and over again. It counts for nothing. It's very sad.
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Correct - it’s a stupid argument.

It’s actually funny because the idiots that make the argument portray the old as irrelevant and not in touch and the youth idyllic. The old of today in the 60’s would no doubt have been banning the bomb, peace rallies and free love. They then become wise and experienced from living life - and migrate towards capitalism

So the same youth who bang on about this is for them will look back in 50 years time and think “god was that really me saying that”
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,684
Grendel said:
That again is just desperate and offensive. So the brainwashed zombie youth are require to help the cause.
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I didn’t say that. If you just rely on who has or has not changed their minds, you are not taking into account new voters or older ones dying. You have to include their intentions, and write off those in the age group with the most deaths.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2018
  • #27,685
martcov said:
I didn’t say that. If you just rely on who has or has not changed their minds, you are not taking into account new voters or older ones dying. You have to include their intentions, and write off those in the age group with the most deaths.
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Then we need to have a vote every year then. It’s a stupid argument and not even scientifically proven
 
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