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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (12 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Otis

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,231
Deleted member 5849 said:
Definitely not them.

First rule of becoming Prime Minister is not to bring down the Prime Minister.
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Oh. I thought that was Fight Club.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,232
clint van damme said:
ERG have said they'll vote with the PM.
This has to be part of a wider strategy by Corbyn otherwise this is just meaningless.
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Reports a full no confidence motion has been triggered.
Edit article has been taken down. Some one jumping the gun.
 

The Reverend Skyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,233
Christ this thread is something else, I'd thought everyone would be sick of talking about this subject after the 24/7 coverage on TV.
I can confirm this is my first and last post on this thread.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,234
The Reverend Skyblue said:
Christ this thread is something else, I'd thought everyone would be sick of talking about this subject after the 24/7 coverage on TV.
I can confirm this is my first and last post on this thread.
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Is it really?
 
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Westendlad

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,235
Otis said:
Oh. I thought that was Fight Club.
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No no Otis......This is gobshite club......Norman wisdom is well experienced
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,236
clint van damme said:
ERG have said they'll vote with the PM.
This has to be part of a wider strategy by Corbyn otherwise this is just meaningless.
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Think he’s doing it to make the Tories look like the bunch of hypocrites they are (especially the ERG). Only last week over 100 voted no confidence in her. Let’s see how quickly there confidence returns.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,237
CCFCSteve said:
Was reading the first of the two links earlier this evening, before seeing you had attached them. Interesting how low labours approval rating is for their handling of Brexit (bearing in mind what a mess May has made of negotiations, she’s still up 12% !!!)

As I’ve said before and to numerous mates, theres a frightening incompetence across the whole of Parliament. I think we probably have the least worst option dealing with Brexit (I reckon voters have seen through labour trying to politicise it rather than genuinely help to find a solution) What a sorry state of affairs
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In fairness, there's not a lot the Opposition can do to be judged by the public, apart from trying to force a GE. To put it into perspective, Labour led the Conservatives in economic management before the 2010 election in the middle of a global recession. Back to Brexit, Labour cannot back May's deal because it'll ruin the party, young people will desert the party and many Leavers who support Labour in their strongholds, who aren't satisfied with May's deal will also be alienating. Brexit has been a partisan issue because of the Conservatives not seeking cross-party support from Day 1.

A no-confidence motion is valid because May's own party called a no-confidence vote against her, so it was inevitable an opposition motion would be tabled. May has created a crisis after crisis for herself.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,238
clint van damme said:
ERG have said they'll vote with the PM.
This has to be part of a wider strategy by Corbyn otherwise this is just meaningless.
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I've got BBC news on, the Government called out Labour for political games and therefore refuse to debate this motion. Interestingly, the editor says this refusal to debate the motion could escalate this issue into a vote of no confidence in not just the PM, but the Government.

Interesting times ahead.
 
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Otis

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,239
As long as we get another vote at the end of it I'll be happy.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,240
SIR ERNIE said:
By definition it is because you've refused to accept the result of the first one.
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Let me get this straight, the public doesn't back May's deal, they also seem to have back Brexit anymore (some polls have Remain ahead by 19%), and also seem to favour a second referendum. Yet, a second referendum would be undemocratic? Seems like the majority of the public hasn't accepted the first result, hence the need for a second referendum. Feel free to reaffirm your commitment to Brexit in a second referendum.

The public now knows what Brexit looks like and they don't like May's deal and didn't vote for a no deal Brexit. Throw in the Government being in crisis because it can't get it's deal through Parliament and you have a recipe for a second referendum.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,241
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I've got BBC news on, the Government called out Labour for political games and therefore refuse to debate this motion. Interestingly, the editor says this refusal to debate the motion could escalate this issue into a vote of no confidence in not just the PM, but the Government.

Interesting times ahead.
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Now saying on social media that lib dems, greens and a few others have tabled a motion to extend Labour's vote of no confidence in PM to no confidence in government.
It's all going on tonight. Hard to know what's accurate and what's not
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,242
Astute said:
1pm yesterday? You still pissed from that?
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I can go weeks without drinking these days but can still drink Guinness like it’s water, I just pay for it the next day.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,243
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I've got BBC news on, the Government called out Labour for political games and therefore refuse to debate this motion. Interestingly, the editor says this refusal to debate the motion could escalate this issue into a vote of no confidence in not just the PM, but the Government.

Interesting times ahead.
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Surely there aren’t enough MPs who’d vote to bring down the government?
 

Captain Dart

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,244
Otis said:
Oh. I thought that was Fight Club.
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Conversely the first rule of vegan club is to tell everyone you're in vegan club.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,245
Mucca Mad Boys said:
I've got BBC news on, the Government called out Labour for political games and therefore refuse to debate this motion. Interestingly, the editor says this refusal to debate the motion could escalate this issue into a vote of no confidence in not just the PM, but the Government.

Interesting times ahead.
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Leaders of all other parties have tabled an amendment to turn the confidence vote in the PM into a confidence vote on the government.

Meanwhile the Tories say they won't give time for Corbyn's motion to be debated as he said he will make it a confidence vote on the government if he isn't allotted time.

The Tories know they will win and Corbyn is going to end up with nothing but the embarrassment of being out thought.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,246
Astute said:
And like I said should we have been offered the first one if there was going to be a second one if they didn't like the result?

That isn't saying it was right or wrong to be given the referendum. But where would it end if we had another one? So if leave had a 4% majority again would it be close enough for remain to say they should have another one again? If remain had the 4% majority this time would it be OK for leave to say we should have another one because remain got another one?

Leave won by nearly 2m votes. It would take a big turn round to win. It would take a massive one to win by lots more than 4%. So all I could see.from another referendum is more problems than we have now.
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The problem we have now is that Brexit has been bodged and it is obvious that we are fxxked if we go in with it. 52% now want a second referendum. They agree with me or I agree with them. People were lied to and cheated. If they still want to go ahead, then fine, tell us that you’re still fine with it and crash the country. Your choice. But not to have a vote on what we now know is absurd.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,247
Be interesting if the Sinn Fein MP’s turned up to vote with Corbyn and Labour. Think there’d be enough votes to force a GE with their backing. Which might suit them.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,248
Captain Dart said:
Leaders of all other parties have tabled an amendment to turn the confidence vote in the PM into a confidence vote on the government.

Meanwhile the Tories say they won't give time for Corbyn's motion to be debated as he said he will make it a confidence vote on the government if he isn't allotted time.

The Tories know they will win and Corbyn is going to end up with nothing but the embarrassment of being out thought.
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Great. Are you now counting that as good news? Shows how far we have come. The only bright spot is that the opposition may also screw up.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,249
skybluetony176 said:
Be interesting if the Sinn Fein MP’s turned up to vote with Corbyn and Labour. Think there’d be enough votes to force a GE with their backing. Which might suit them.
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Would they have to take an oath before taking up heir seats?
 

Captain Dart

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,250
skybluetony176 said:
Be interesting if the Sinn Fein MP’s turned up to vote with Corbyn and Labour. Think there’d be enough votes to force a GE with their backing. Which might suit them.
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Ha ha ha ha. Deluded.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 17, 2018
  • #27,251
skybluetony176 said:
Think he’s doing it to make the Tories look like the bunch of hypocrites they are (especially the ERG). Only last week over 100 voted no confidence in her. Let’s see how quickly there confidence returns.
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That’s got to be it. Nobody has much respect for anyone in parliament these days but if they vote no confidence one week then confident the next when literally nothing has changed they will look even stupider than usual.

If the likes of Boris and JRM vote in favour of May how do they explain that away in the forthcoming leadership contest.
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,252
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Let me get this straight, the public doesn't back May's deal, they also seem to have back Brexit anymore (some polls have Remain ahead by 19%), and also seem to favour a second referendum. Yet, a second referendum would be undemocratic? Seems like the majority of the public hasn't accepted the first result, hence the need for a second referendum. Feel free to reaffirm your commitment to Brexit in a second referendum.

The public now knows what Brexit looks like and they don't like May's deal and didn't vote for a no deal Brexit. Throw in the Government being in crisis because it can't get it's deal through Parliament and you have a recipe for a second referendum.
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Lots of 'seems' in there.
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,253
Captain Dart said:
Ha ha ha ha. Deluded.
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Exactly
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,254
chiefdave said:
If the likes of Boris and JRM vote in favour of May how do they explain that away in the forthcoming leadership contest
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They won't have to.
Do you seriously imagine they'd vote for Corbyn over their own PM, even given how incompetent she is?
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,255
clint van damme said:
Now saying on social media that lib dems, greens and a few others have tabled a motion to extend Labour's vote of no confidence in PM to no confidence in government.
It's all going on tonight. Hard to know what's accurate and what's not
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Counts for nothing unless Corbyn can get the DUP onside. and the only way that's possible is if May's rancid deal gets approved.
The DUP are the kingmakers.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,256
SIR ERNIE said:
Counts for nothing unless Corbyn can get the DUP onside. and the only way that's possible is if May's rancid deal gets approved.
The DUP are the kingmakers.
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With their 10 MPs?

It’s not too far fetched for Labour to get a few Tory MPs on side, especially with Theresa May seemingly refusing to even consider a second referendum. But, any vote of no confidence should be held off until after the vote on May’s deal. The threat of a Labour government may just rally Tory MPs behind their leader and potentially increase support for her deal to.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,257
Mucca Mad Boys said:
With their 10 MPs?

It’s not too far fetched for Labour to get a few Tory MPs on side, especially with Theresa May seemingly refusing to even consider a second referendum. But, any vote of no confidence should be held off until after the vote on May’s deal. The threat of a Labour government may just rally Tory MPs behind their leader and potentially increase support for her deal to.
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Or visa versa.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,258
chiefdave said:
That’s got to be it. Nobody has much respect for anyone in parliament these days but if they vote no confidence one week then confident the next when literally nothing has changed they will look even stupider than usual.

If the likes of Boris and JRM vote in favour of May how do they explain that away in the forthcoming leadership contest.
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The other angle could be that if Corbyn and labour do decide to support a second referendum then surely all these conservatives who have just demonstrated the right to change their mind must back a second referendum or will twice look like hypocrites having juxtaposed their position twice if they don’t back one.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,259
skybluetony176 said:
The other angle could be that if Corbyn and labour do decide to support a second referendum then surely all these conservatives who have just demonstrated the right to change their mind must back a second referendum or will twice look like hypocrites having juxtaposed their position twice if they don’t back one.
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I don’t think that would bother them at all
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,260
Mucca Mad Boys said:
With their 10 MPs?

It’s not too far fetched for Labour to get a few Tory MPs on side, especially with Theresa May seemingly refusing to even consider a second referendum. But, any vote of no confidence should be held off until after the vote on May’s deal. The threat of a Labour government may just rally Tory MPs behind their leader and potentially increase support for her deal to.
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There is zero chance of that happening
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,261
Mucca Mad Boys said:
With their 10 MPs?

It’s not too far fetched for Labour to get a few Tory MPs on side, especially with Theresa May seemingly refusing to even consider a second referendum. But, any vote of no confidence should be held off until after the vote on May’s deal. The threat of a Labour government may just rally Tory MPs behind their leader and potentially increase support for her deal to.
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They don’t even need to get them on side really. If the opposition turns out in full but the Tories and DUP don’t turn out in full to vote it’s another angle it could swing.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,262
Sick Boy said:
I don’t think that would bother them at all
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It probably won’t. Corbyn would have made the point though and it’s how the electorate takes it. It’s playing politics but that’s been the name of the game over the last couple of years whether that’s been the ERG or the opposition.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,263
This was what I meant
 

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Otis

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,264
Doesn't it seem quite obvious that May is just trying to delay and delay the vote in the knowledge that she knows so many MP's are against the no deal option and therefore more likely to have to choose her deal?

Surely MP's are not so daft as to let her do that are they?

Seemingly a lot of her own party are calling for a vote this week
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 18, 2018
  • #27,265
Yep it’s outrageous to delay the vote when nothing will change. They are just waiting a month for no reason. Justine Greening saying just that on tv
 
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