Yet those experts that say that the EU is in trouble are rubbished.And right on cue,
And right on cue, here's the ranty man from the pub, completely ignoring those who've been trained and have years of experience to make such predicitions.
Sure, they may not pan out.
But to ignore the experts is downright idiotic.
You're provong my point.You are correct....although you meant it as a joke.
Those same people you refer to missed the last two recessions. They got it wrong on what would happen if we voted leave. They didn't even see the banking crash coming and they are supposed to be experts in the field. But we are still supposed to know that they are right.....
There has been a lot of exaggerations from both sides. And none have happened so far.You do realise lots of programming work went in to making sure those problems didn't happen, (yes planes falling out of the sky was an exaggeration).
Me? I have been following them not negotiating so far.Following this process as closely as possible. You?
Me? I have been following them not negotiating so far.
Of course you will end this now. Because it is clearly an anti UK rant and stick up for the EU whatever.
How about having a look at your anti UK rant in detail?
We are monsters because we allow horse racing. It is at least as bad as bull fighting you say. And it is even worse because some horses go for horse meat.
Defend the EU as usual then.
Do the other countries in the EU have horse racing?
How much horse meat is eaten in the UK?
How much is eaten in the other countries of the EU? Yes that is where the market for horse meat is. But strangely enough you never mentioned it once.
Why do you have to constantly attack the UK? This has nothing to do with Brexit. But you think you can make us sound barbaric and the other countries in the EU are saints. But even on this subject they are at least as bad as us. Many are a lot worse.
So you call me a moron for calling you out yet again. Well done.
So why do any of them that say anything not good about the EU get rubbished? Why don't you pull anyone up for doing such? Because you would pull anyone up for publishing those saying bad things on behalf of the UK. Just like now.You're provong my point.
People with access to the facts, with appropriate training, people who... know what they're doing.
Let's ignore them, and decide we all know best, because occasionally, prediciting things is not an exact science.
Frankly, it's ludicrous and nonsensical to throw out all predicitions based on 'a-ha'. You wouldn't decide you wanted the pissed old ranty bugger as your brain surgeon, after all.
It's a negative regressive call to authority, and it's utterly foolish.
This was always going to be the problem of having a pro EU organising a leave deal. Deep down she doesn't want to do it. There is a lack of trust in her all round. Remainers see her as a traitor. Leavers don't believe she wants to make a deal. The opposition leader who has always wanted out of the EU now says he wants us in. The EU sees massive divisions in the UK. And they have taken full advantage.What would you do if you were negotiating with a party that was tearing themselves apart. That was instigating votes of no confidence in the person leading the process?
This fuck up is all on the Tories mate.
Bollocks as usual. You attacked the UK for horse racing, badger baiting and fox hunting. You never mentioned anyone else in the EU. You were going on about horse racing and horse meat. But never mentioned those who eat horse.Jesus Christ you don’t read anything. Not me end it, the jockeyless horse ending it. Try reading it again but slower.
How can pointing out you’re a moron for thinking tha horses must like horse racing because they carry on running when the jockey falls of be an anti U.K. rant? It’s an international sport for starters, including in Europe.
Horse racing is grotesque. I’ve never said it’s as bad as bull fighting so stop twisting and putting words in my mouth.
Don’t starting with your childlike mentality of saying it’s ok to eat one type of meat but not another because they eat it as common practice on the continent. Eating horse meat is exactly the same as eating cows meat. Two animals slaughtered for consumption. It begins and ends there.
I haven’t attacked the U.K. I’ve attacked you for saying that horses love horse racing. You’ve twisted it to something else as per usual.
This was always going to be the problem of having a pro EU organising a leave deal. Deep down she doesn't want to do it. There is a lack of trust in her all round. Remainers see her as a traitor. Leavers don't believe she wants to make a deal. The opposition leader who has always wanted out of the EU now says he wants us in. The EU sees massive divisions in the UK. And they have taken full advantage.
I still don't understand how a pro EU MP became the PM to lead us through Brexit?
Political parties all have factions within them, a change in party systems will not change that.
Our parliamentary system offers more stability than its European counterparts that use more proportional systems. Take Germany, it’s had to have enter yet another grand coalition because neither major party can go into coalition with the ‘extreme’ parties in their Bundestag since their Liberal party has collapsed.
Generally, with the last 8 years in UK politics being the exception, party’s win majorities and go about the business of Government right away without coalition building processes (which can be v lengthy in places e.g. Spain). It’s not a perfect system by any stretch of the imagination, but strong and effective government (beciase it rarely loses parliamentary votes) is a good thing, overall.
Complete speculation, EU nationals are not going to just pack up , theyvet made lives here and there will be no obligation to leave.
In Germany we have had 3 terms of a strong and stable coalition under 1 leader ( not going to happen in the UK ). It has held through disagreements. Merkel is the longest serving Western leader. The coalition system is working e.g. in that the greens who would have been part of the 2 big parties, can actually tell the voters what they stand for and negotiate their green wishes in the coalition talks and then fix them in the coalition contract rather than being a back bench grouping in a big party. The AfD can represent the racists on a clear program. At least you get what you voted for as representatives. The ERG would be a splinter party in Germany and not a party within a party as now.
We have had 3 term PM's and real stability from the blood stained Blair creature and Thatcher who was not too popular in these parts, Countries like Italy have been wrecked by the voting system
Anyway big CCFC fan how are you doing on my Christmas Quiz?
In Germany we have had 3 terms of a strong and stable coalition under 1 leader ( not going to happen in the UK ). It has held through disagreements. Merkel is the longest serving Western leader. The coalition system is working e.g. in that the greens who would have been part of the 2 big parties, can actually tell the voters what they stand for and negotiate their green wishes in the coalition talks and then fix them in the coalition contract rather than being a back bench grouping in a big party. The AfD can represent the racists on a clear program. At least you get what you voted for as representatives. The ERG would be a splinter party in Germany and not a party within a party as now.
I haven’t looked yet...
We could always just ditch the House of Lords for a proportional system.I’m uneasy with the concept of a grand coalition. A good friend at uni is German and we spoke about its merits. The SDP membership are starting to get fed up with the grand coalitions because junior coalition partners usually suffer in elections. The CDU don’t want to enter a coalition with the AfD and likewise, the SDP don’t want to enter a coalition with die Linke. Typically, the more parties in a party system or coalition, the more unstable it tends to be.
Germany’s system is one of the better proportional systems in Europe. Others, like Italy, are a total mess. The British system is unique, but I like it, as it tends to produce strong governments.
We could always just ditch the House of Lords for a proportional system.
We could always just ditch the House of Lords for a proportional system.
Bollocks as usual. You attacked the UK for horse racing, badger baiting and fox hunting. You never mentioned anyone else in the EU. You were going on about horse racing and horse meat. But never mentioned those who eat horse.
We had a referendum on this didn't we?
I still don't understand how a pro EU MP became the PM to lead us through Brexit?
Nope.
Both Brexit Secretaries have been leavers. They’re the ones who have been leading us through Brexit.
For proportional representation in parliament?
That was AV, which is a hybrid system of first past the post and proportional. That was for the Commons and not the Lords.
Generally, Lords reform only tends to pop up briefly in Labour govts, Tories don’t tend to bother with it. But, neither party is particularly enthusiastic about it.
This was always going to be the problem of having a pro EU organising a leave deal. Deep down she doesn't want to do it. There is a lack of trust in her all round. Remainers see her as a traitor. Leavers don't believe she wants to make a deal. The opposition leader who has always wanted out of the EU now says he wants us in. The EU sees massive divisions in the UK. And they have taken full advantage.
I was referring to the commons and actually what I was really referring to was that strangely some referendums are just abided by and acted on
But May is the face/head of it?
To be honest, the whole debacle of Brexit is tiresome now, which I believe would result in a victory for Remain if there is another vote.
That referendum was only called because it was part of the Conservative and Lib Dem coalition. The Conservatives (or Labour) we’re never enthusiastic about this potential reform and certainly wouldn’t have called a referendum themselves.
Governments tend to respect the result of referendums, as its generally in their interest to do so. But, referendums aren’t binding to parliament.
You should know, that occasionally experts' predictions don't pan out, so therefore we should ignore those who have the expertise and tools to make predictions, in favour of the ranty bloke down the pub.
It's the new way, sadly.
Can you read back to me the commitment the government made in the state sponsored leaflet regarding the Brexit referendum regarding implementation?
This argument is fallacious
Can you read back to me the commitment the government made in the state sponsored leaflet regarding the Brexit referendum regarding implementation?
This argument is fallacious
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