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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (5 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,656
clint van damme said:
Why is kicking off in France relevant to us been the only country in the world without a trade deal come next March?
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...the French will want out soon. We can have an Anglo- French alliance. We can buy their croissants and they can have our pies.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,657
Sick Boy said:
Plenty fell for Project Fear from the leave lot about Turkey being on the verge of joining the EU and millions of Turks flocking here to work, why is it that you never mention that?

The UK is still in the EU, btw
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Have you any figures for the number who apparently fell for it ?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,658
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Have you any figures for the number who apparently fell for it ?
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It was splashed across social media ads and through multiple leaflets put through people’s doors.

Are you trying to claim that no one believed it and it was obviously a lie?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,659
Sick Boy said:
Plenty fell for Project Fear from the leave lot about Turkey being on the verge of joining the EU and millions of Turks flocking here to work, why is it that you never mention that?

The UK is still in the EU, btw
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Plenty fell for project Fear from the remoaners about house prices crashing before we even leave by 20%
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,660
Sick Boy said:
It was splashed across social media ads and through multiple leaflets put through people’s doors.

Are you trying to claim that no one believed it and it was obviously a lie?
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So give us the figures then. Must be significant for you to mention it .
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,661
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Plenty fell for project Fear from the remoaners about house prices crashing before we even leave by 20%
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I’m sure it would have influenced some people.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,662
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
So give us the figures then. Must be significant for you to mention it .
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Yeah it was a powerful message that was used across multiple methods to influence people’s votes, it was significant enough to be mentioned by politicians advocating leave in their campaigning.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,663
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
We haven't left yet and you are like a hysterical schoolchild as usual. Did you cry a lot at school if the teacher got cross ?
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You’re the one saying that we will shortly have a conurbation from Manchester to London. I count that as hysterical.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,664
martcov said:
You’re the one saying that we will shortly have a conurbation from Manchester to London. I count that as hysterical.
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Then that's two of us. But you're on this thread morning, noon and night because its soo important to get your message across to those of us that have fallen by the wayside. Sad really.
I dare you to have 24 hours off this thread from 9pm tonight. I'll do it. Don't say you're too busy. Go on, force yourself. It doesn't matter if anyone else says anything in that time. We'll ignore them.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,665
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
...the French will want out soon. We can have an Anglo- French alliance. We can buy their croissants and they can have our pies.
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What do mean Anglo? The „auld alliance“ was between Scotland and France.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,666
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Then that's two of us. But you're on this thread morning, noon and night because its soo important to get your message across to those of us that have fallen by the wayside. Sad really.
I dare you to have 24 hours off this thread from 9pm tonight. I'll do it. Don't say you're too busy. Go on, force yourself. It doesn't matter if anyone else says anything in that time. We'll ignore them.
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Whenever I come on there is a reply from you. I have been busy today, but I look in as it’s Saturday and there was a football match. Then I see Grendel, Dart, Astute and yourself out in force. 3 of you asked me a question... polite as I am, I answered....
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,667
martcov said:
Whenever I come on there is a reply from you. I have been busy today, but I look in as it’s Saturday and there was a football match. Then I see Grendel, Dart, Astute and yourself out in force. 3 of you asked me a question... polite as I am, I answered....
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No you frantically dug out some reference to Norway and has some strange glee in your message of potential blocks in that area and no doubt had high fives back in the Fourth Reich
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,668
martcov said:
What do mean Anglo? The „auld alliance“ was between Scotland and France.
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Bugger that, who cares? It was a joke. You have no sense of humour. . What about having 24 hours off. I dare you. From 9pm tonight. You haven't got it in you have you ? You NEED to be on here putting other right.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,669
Grendel said:
No you frantically dug out some reference to Norway and has some strange glee in your message of potential blocks in that area and no doubt had high fives back in the Fourth Reich
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No. I read a comment from the Norway EU contact group which I felt was relevant to your idea. Thought you may like to know how Norway sees it.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,670
EU army moves in.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,671
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Bugger that, who cares? It was a joke. You have no sense of humour. . What about having 24 hours off. I dare you. From 9pm tonight. You haven't got it in you have you ? You NEED to be on here putting other right.
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The fact that I don’t insult you, although you are just on a wind up and insist on making snide comments, should show you that I do have a sense of humour. You can have 24 hours off if you want, then at least I don’t have to keep correcting you.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,672
Captain Dart said:
EU army moves in.
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Haha. What has a protest against, primarily, fuel price taxation, got to do with the EU? Your other right wing news site didn’t mention 1. that the EU parliament was closed to all visitors in advance and 2. the area in Brussels of EU installations was near the demonstrations and was cordoned off as a precaution.

Nothing directly to do with the EU. Put your pitchfork down and drink a nice cup of tea.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,673
shmmeee said:
We’ve built on sonething 3% of land in the UK. There’s a reason it looks green from the air. We could easily fit more people in if that’s the decision we make. And we could fund their services and more with their tax money as well.

Lack of housing, NHS underfunding, cutting medical training, etc are political choices made by respective governments. Same as allowing Eastern European recent entrants to the EU to move here in the 2000s. We haven’t voted Leave from the UK Parliament.

The pace of change and resulting difficulties with integration is a worry. As is the competition in low wage areas of the job market IMO. But there’s a good argument that immigration is needed and it may as well be from somewhere like the EU with transferable qualifications and standardised markets.
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Britain's population density is one of the highest in the EU. We've added to the population which has served a purpose of filling a lot of low paid work but crucially it doesn't pay towards supporting infrastructure.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,674
martcov said:
The fact that I don’t insult you, although you are just on a wind up and insist on making snide comments, should show you that I do have a sense of humour. You can have 24 hours off if you want, then at least I don’t have to keep correcting you.
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You called me a cnut the other day which you've conveniently forgotten about before you say you don't throw insults.
I knew you'd bottle it. You can't let this go as it's an obsession. You need help , no doubt about it. Is it the thought that other people might say things you disagree with and you won't be able to do anything about it ? You need to be in control. ​
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,675
martcov said:
Haha. What has a protest against, primarily, fuel price taxation, got to do with the EU? Your other right wing news site didn’t mention 1. that the EU parliament was closed to all visitors in advance and 2. the area in Brussels of EU installations was near the demonstrations and was cordoned off as a precaution.

Nothing directly to do with the EU. Put your pitchfork down and drink a nice cup of tea.
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You need a psychiatrist.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,676
Captain Dart said:
EU army moves in.
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I'd never send anything by Hermes. It always gets damaged.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,677
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
You called me a cnut the other day which you've conveniently forgotten about before you say you don't throw insults.
I knew you'd bottle it. You can't let this go as it's an obsession. You need help , no doubt about it. Is it the thought that other people might say things you disagree with and you won't be able to do anything about it ? You need to be in control. ​
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Yes. I forgot I called you a cxxt. I think it’s you who needs to be in control. You answer every post I make. And, yes, I was right about you being a cxxt.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,678
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
You need a psychiatrist.
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Care to explain..?
 

Astute

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,679
Sick Boy said:
Plenty fell for Project Fear from the leave lot about Turkey being on the verge of joining the EU and millions of Turks flocking here to work, why is it that you never mention that?

The UK is still in the EU, btw
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Of course we are still in the EU. Which was my point.

You said that the economies in the EU countries are doing worse lately because of what is going on in Italy....although I would love you to explain how that would dent manufacturing like has happened. Yet ours is getting better. And yes we are also in the EU.

Project fear? How about the latest from May? We are heading for uncharted water if we refuse her deal and it could lead to Corbyn as PM. I know what would be feared the most.
 
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Astute

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,680
Sick Boy said:
It was splashed across social media ads and through multiple leaflets put through people’s doors.

Are you trying to claim that no one believed it and it was obviously a lie?
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Is that the one that cost nearly 10m and went through every door in the UK...And just about every forecast was wrong?
 
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dutchman

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,681
martcov said:
Haha. What has a protest against, primarily, fuel price taxation, got to do with the EU?
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It ceased to be primarily about fuel price taxation a long time ago (as you well know). It's about austerity, globalisation and Macron's increasingly dictatorial style which has everything to do with the EU.

Also what do riots in Brussels by Belgian protesters have to do with fuel price taxation in France?

 
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Astute

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,682
dutchman said:
It ceased to be primarily about fuel price taxation a long time ago (as you well know). It's about austerity, globalisation and Macron's increasingly dictatorial style which has everything to do with the EU.

Also what do riots in Brussels by Belgian protesters have to do with fuel price taxation in France?

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Spoke to my sister in France for ages yesterday. She is a few hundred miles south of Paris. It is a countrywide protest. Only a part of it is to do with fuel taxation. It is also pay, pensions, taxation rises to the poor and reductions for the rich and broken promises amongst others. Many want Macron gone. They say he cares more about the EU than France. That is why the protests continued after the fuel tax rise was cancelled.

And now the police have attacked protestors that were peaceful with rubber bullets and more it may get worse. Even journalists got hit. Are they going to be accused of looking for trouble?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,683
Astute said:
You said that the economies in the EU countries are doing worse lately because of what is going on in Italy....although I would love you to explain how that would dent manufacturing like has happened. Yet ours is getting better. And yes we are also in the EU.
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No I didn’t, that’s something else you’ve completely made up to suit your argument or you’ve got me confused with someone else.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,684
Astute said:
Is that the one that cost nearly 10m and went through every door in the UK...And just about every forecast was wrong?
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No idea how much the leave ones cost but yeah, nearly every forecast in the leave literature was wrong too.

You’re never going to criticise leave on here though, despite your claims of having voted remain.

I genuinely expect that you’ll come out and claim to have backed whatever side ends up being the most successful.
 
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Astute

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,685
Sick Boy said:
No I didn’t, that’s something else you’ve completely made up to suit your argument or you’ve got me confused with someone else.
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Sorry you are right. It was Mart that said it.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,686
Sick Boy said:
No idea how much the leave ones cost but yeah, nearly every forecast in the leave literature was wrong too.

You’re never going to criticise leave on here though, despite your claims of having voted remain.

I genuinely expect that you’ll come out and claim to have backed whatever side ends up being the most successful.
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I criticise both sides. The problem is that some of you are so biased that any old crap gets posted on here. Just like when I say the British governments are to blame but our population explosion has made it worse = you saying constantly that I am scapegoating immigrants. So of course it goes on what you say more than what is presently happening. If you, Mart and a couple others didn't spend so much time verbally having a go at people's views for no reason and defending the EU on just about everything we would be able to have a proper debate.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,687
Astute said:
I criticise both sides. The problem is that some of you are so biased that any old crap gets posted on here. Just like when I say the British governments are to blame but our population explosion has made it worse = you saying constantly that I am scapegoating immigrants. So of course it goes on what you say more than what is presently happening. If you, Mart and a couple others didn't spend so much time verbally having a go at people's views for no reason and defending the EU on just about everything we would be able to have a proper debate.
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Apologies, still in a bad mood from yesterday.

My issue, and I’m sure others who aren’t pro-Brexit, is that you only ever challenge one side. Remain voters have been verbally abused and you’ve said nothing, which is why it’s hard to take you neutral claims seriously
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,688
Astute said:
Of course we are still in the EU. Which was my point.

You said that the economies in the EU countries are doing worse lately because of what is going on in Italy....although I would love you to explain how that would dent manufacturing like has happened. Yet ours is getting better. And yes we are also in the EU.

Project fear? How about the latest from May? We are heading for uncharted water if we refuse her deal and it could lead to Corbyn as PM. I know what would be feared the most.
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I said the average is affected. To calculate the average you add all totals together and divide by the number of countries. If one or more are performing negative then the average is less than if all are performing well. The negatives have no effect on the positives, just on the average.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,689
Astute said:
Sorry you are right. It was Mart that said it.
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Mart didn’t of course. So he was right about you putting words into people’s mouths.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 9, 2018
  • #25,690
dutchman said:
It ceased to be primarily about fuel price taxation a long time ago (as you well know). It's about austerity, globalisation and Macron's increasingly dictatorial style which has everything to do with the EU.

Also what do riots in Brussels by Belgian protesters have to do with fuel price taxation in France?

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The riots in Brussels were not aimed at the EU parliament as implied by Dart and the right wing website. They didn’t start yesterday.
 
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