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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (12 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,621
Sick Boy said:
Yeah compared to 10-15 years ago rents have increased 100%. Loads or buy to let landlords taking advantage of the student market and families selling houses in London and moving down and pushing up asking prices
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I wish when I lived in London (working for a company with a base fairly close to Brighton) I'd bought a property - would have set me up for life!
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,622
skybluetony176 said:
I’ve repeatedly said to you that the issue is failure of multiple governments over decades to invest in the infrastructure our economy demands (so many times in fact that as soon as I start typing that sentence my iPhone brings it up as a predictive option and I don’t even have to type it up in full) and you’ve repeatedly dismissed it with “and I suppose immigration/freedom of movement/EU has nothing to do with it” or any variation of that. Now you’re denying it and accusing others of twisting. Classic Astute.
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Now I remember why I have you blocked.

So are you joining Mart and SB in saying that FOM has made no difference to our lack of investment in housing and infrastructure?

And why don't you question others on saying the same thing that agree with you on most things?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,623
Astute said:
Now I remember why I have you blocked.

So are you joining Mart and SB in saying that FOM has made no difference to our lack of investment in housing and infrastructure?

And why don't you question others on saying the same thing that agree with you on most things?
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Yeah cos you’re always calling out pro-Brexit posts.

So you’re now blaming FoM for a lack of investment in infrastructure?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,624
SIR ERNIE said:
In what? Democracy?
Unlike you I will.
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Oh good. If parliament does go for a people’s vote on the deal, no deal or no Brexit you will be all for it then? Great we at last agree on something.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,625
SIR ERNIE said:
In what? Democracy?
Unlike you I will.
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Yes. Here is a great example of democracy in action:

Revealed: the hidden global network behind Tommy Robinson
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,626
Sick Boy said:
Yeah cos you’re always calling out pro-Brexit posts.

So you’re now blaming FoM for a lack of investment in infrastructure?
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You know it isn't what I am saying. Because you 'like' other posters that say exactly the same as me. But you say I am scapegoating immigrants for saying exactly the same thing.

Try reading what I said again.

The government is to blame. But FOM makes the situation worse. This isn't blaming FOM. This is saying we are not investing in homes/infrastructure that is needed to cope. Just like we are not investing in homes/infrastructure for those being born. Are you now going to say I am scapegoating those who start a family?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,627
And while we are at it what is your take on this SB?

MAGGIE PAGANO: EU must accept it needs to head to Specsavers for a new prescription | This is Money

Who am I scapegoating for this? Because Macron seems to be the French version of a Tory.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,628
Or how about those who were celebrating the UK were forecast to have the worse growth coming out of all the EU countries

Britain's manufacturing sector booms as the eurozone's stutters | This is Money
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,629
Astute said:
You know it isn't what I am saying. Because you 'like' other posters that say exactly the same as me. But you say I am scapegoating immigrants for saying exactly the same thing.

Try reading what I said again.

The government is to blame. But FOM makes the situation worse. This isn't blaming FOM. This is saying we are not investing in homes/infrastructure that is needed to cope. Just like we are not investing in homes/infrastructure for those being born. Are you now going to say I am scapegoating those who start a family?
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I can’t say that I disagree with that but migration is going to continue post-Brexit, if it happens. As I’ve said, Brexit is not being done for the benefit of those left behind.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,630
Astute said:
Or how about those who were celebrating the UK were forecast to have the worse growth coming out of all the EU countries

Britain's manufacturing sector booms as the eurozone's stutters | This is Money
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I don’t think I’ve seen anyone celebrate anything to do with UK suffering, the fact this thread has been going for so long is due to people believing what they’re saying is right for the country.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,631
Astute said:
Or how about those who were celebrating the UK were forecast to have the worse growth coming out of all the EU countries

Britain's manufacturing sector booms as the eurozone's stutters | This is Money
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Yes, the UK‘s best for 2 months and Eurozone‘s worst since 2016. caused largely by Italy‘s populists falling out with the EU over their budget.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,632
martcov said:
Yes, the UK‘s best for 2 months and Eurozone‘s worst since 2016. caused largely by Italy‘s populists falling out with the EU over their budget.
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Why use populist when it’s a democratically elected government whose views differ from yours?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,633
martcov said:
You seem to forget that we are where we are because of people like yourself voting leave. We are a distressed trading partner looking at potential options like joining Norway in EFTA, along with Liechtenstein and Iceland. That may appear humiliating, but you and your ilk have put us there. I pointed it out and you don’t like it. The blame for our situation certainly doesn’t apply to me because I was denied a vote, although my rights under FOM will be taken away.
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...and 17 million others. They're all wrong then ?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,634
Sick Boy said:
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone celebrate anything to do with UK suffering, the fact this thread has been going for so long is due to people believing what they’re saying is right for the country.
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If we don’t stay in the cabal Mart definitely wants the uk to suffer
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,635
martcov said:
You seem to forget that we are where we are because of people like yourself voting leave.
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Actually no. We are where we are because of people like you, in particular remain politicians, who refuse to accept the result of the largest vote in our history.

And just for the record, I fully expect that we won’t get a proper Brexit, perhaps no Brexit, at least not this time. It will happen eventually though, it’s inevitable.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,636
Grendel said:
Why use populist when it’s a democratically elected government whose views differ from yours?
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Because they are populists. Read the definition in the clip from the Guardian. Bannon, who is the self appointed leader of populists counts them as part of a populist movement. Populists can be from left or right, it is about their tactics rather than their political views.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,637
SIR ERNIE said:
Actually no. We are where we are because of people like you, in particular remain politicians, who refuse to accept the result of the largest vote in our history.

And just for the record, I fully expect that we won’t get a proper Brexit, perhaps no Brexit, at least not this time. It will happen eventually though, it’s inevitable.
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Hope you’re right, but I think that it is inevitable that we move closer together rather than apart.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,638
Grendel said:
If we don’t stay in the cabal Mart definitely wants the uk to suffer
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I think that by leaving we will suffer. Definitely in the short term, and probably long term. By saying we should remain I am hardly hoping that the UK will suffer.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,639
Sick Boy said:
Rudd has now said that the EEA could be a
SIR ERNIE said:
Actually no. We are where we are because of people like you, in particular remain politicians, who refuse to accept the result of the largest vote in our history.

And just for the record, I fully expect that we won’t get a proper Brexit, perhaps no Brexit, at least not this time. It will happen eventually though, it’s inevitable.
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Ernie, we are were we are because of the incompetence of the Tories. And deep down, you know it.
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,640
martcov said:
Because they are populists. Read the definition in the clip from the Guardian. Bannon, who is the self appointed leader of populists counts them as part of a populist movement. Populists can be from left or right, it is about their tactics rather than their political views.
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Cheers I’m actually in a pub Mart and I bet my mate a pint that that one simple post from me would get the word Bannon from you - you never fail to disappoint - it’s good though as I have some remainer friends and I portraying you as what people in Europe think of us and how they want us to be enslaved in the EU or face misery which they will gloat at

Keep going - hopefully get a couple to swing the other way
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,641
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
...and 17 million others. They're all wrong then ?
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Looks like it at the moment. Or do you think the present situation is a roaring success?
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,642
The natives are revolting!
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,643
Grendel said:
Cheers I’m actually in a pub Mart and I bet my mate a pint that that one simple post from me would get the word Bannon from you - you never fail to disappoint - it’s good though as I have some remainer friends and I portraying you as what people in Europe think of us and how they want us to be enslaved in the EU or face misery which they will gloat at

Keep going - hopefully get a couple to swing the other way
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Glad to be of help. But seeing as you were wrong about populism, I think your round is next. Bannon formed a populist movement called Movement. So, if you want to discuss current populism you are likely to come across Bannon somewhere in the discussion.
 

clint van damme

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,644
Captain Dart said:
The natives are revolting!
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Why is kicking off in France relevant to us been the only country in the world without a trade deal come next March?
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,645
clint van damme said:
Why is kicking off in France relevant to us been the only country in the world without a trade deal come next March?
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L'attaque sur EU parliament n'est pas!
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,646
Captain Dart said:
L'attaque sur EU parliament n'est pas!
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C‘est qui que le fait? Et pourquoi?
 

Astute

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,647
Sick Boy said:
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone celebrate anything to do with UK suffering, the fact this thread has been going for so long is due to people believing what they’re saying is right for the country.
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Your memory is failing you. We were supposed to be doing the worse out of all EU countries. And we were told it was all the fault of the leave voters. But nothing would be listened to for how it was known it would happen. And it hasn't so far. Just more project fear and more people falling for it.

But it doesn't matter because hardly anyone wants the crap deal put together between May and the EU.
 

Astute

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,648
martcov said:
Yes, the UK‘s best for 2 months and Eurozone‘s worst since 2016. caused largely by Italy‘s populists falling out with the EU over their budget.
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What a load of crap. The UK is still in the EU.

So you are saying that EU manufacturing depends on Italy falling out with people? :shifty: :smuggrin:
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,649
clint van damme said:
Why is kicking off in France relevant to us been the only country in the world without a trade deal come next March?
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When did that happen?
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,650
Astute said:
What a load of crap. The UK is still in the EU.

So you are saying that EU manufacturing depends on Italy falling out with people? :shifty: :smuggrin:
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No, I saying the UK isn’t in the Eurozone and that Italy‘s negative performance lowers the average performance of the Eurozone which has been ok since 2016.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,651
Astute said:
When did that happen?
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According to the US embassy:
Event: Large demonstrations are expected to take place on December 8, 2018 beginning at 10:00 am. The “yellow vests” will protest high fuel taxes. Additional related demonstrations in Brussels and other major cities in Belgium may also occur.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,652
Astute said:
When did that happen?
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https://www.google.de/amp/s/www.nst.com.my/node/438665/amp
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,653
Astute said:
Your memory is failing you. We were supposed to be doing the worse out of all EU countries. And we were told it was all the fault of the leave voters. But nothing would be listened to for how it was known it would happen. And it hasn't so far. Just more project fear and more people falling for it.

But it doesn't matter because hardly anyone wants the crap deal put together between May and the EU.
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Plenty fell for Project Fear from the leave lot about Turkey being on the verge of joining the EU and millions of Turks flocking here to work, why is it that you never mention that?

The UK is still in the EU, btw
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,654
Grendel said:
my mate
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Now I know you're lying.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Dec 8, 2018
  • #25,655
martcov said:
Looks like it at the moment. Or do you think the present situation is a roaring success?
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We haven't left yet and you are like a hysterical schoolchild as usual. Did you cry a lot at school if the teacher got cross ?
 
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