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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,186
Astute said:
Already answered. 1+1 isn't 5.
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Can’t even guess what that’s supposed to mean.

Do you acknowledge what I’ve said is correct?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,187
Astute said:
Who has blamed immigrants? I have said it is the fault of both the Tories and Labour.

But I am not going to sit here and agree when someone says that mass immigration to the UK has had no effect or has made no difference. It has exasperated the problem.

Then you have Tony who tries to twist the truth all the time.
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Ha ha ha ha. You’ve constantly blamed immigration and accused anyone of pointing out decades of failure to invest in the infrastructure that our growing economy has required by successive governments as making up excuses for the EU. I’m not even going to start on the irony of your last sentence.
 

dutchman

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,188
Sick Boy said:
Somalians don't have free access to the UK? I presume if they are here they've been granted permission to work, have claimed asylum or are here illegally.

I'm not sure how they have anything to do with the EU if they are in this country.
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If they arrived in another EU country first, I believe they then have an automatic right of entry to the UK?

Whatever the technicalities there are a very large number of them where I live and increasing every day.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,189
Sky Blue Pete said:
Somalians claim asylum don’t they?
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They'll still be able to do that after Brexit. Unless we're going to refuse to take any asylum seekers which won't do our international relationships much good at a time we're trying to negotiate trade deals.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,190
dutchman said:
If they arrived in another EU country first, I believe they then have an automatic right of entry to the UK?

Whatever the technicalities there are a very large number of them where I live and increasing every day.
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If that was the case why are there migrant camps all along the French coast full of illegal immigrants who are trying to cross the channel illegally as they have no rights to cross it legally?
 

dutchman

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,191
skybluetony176 said:
If that was the case why are there migrant camps all along the French coast full of illegal immigrants who are trying to cross the channel illegally as they have no rights to cross it legally?
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Do they not have to be granted "asylum seeker" or something first?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,192
dutchman said:
If they arrived in another EU country first, I believe they then have an automatic right of entry to the UK?

Whatever the technicalities there are a very large number of them where I live and increasing every day.
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If they have been granted citizenship of that country, then they probably do, in which case they were probably asylum seekers. If they weren't asylum seekers then they wouldn't be able to move around the EU freely, unless they were doing so illegally, in which case they'd get picked up at the UK border.
 

dutchman

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,193
Sick Boy said:
If they have been granted citizenship of that country, then they probably do, in which case they were probably asylum seekers. If they weren't asylum seekers then they wouldn't be able to move around the EU freely, unless they were doing so illegally, in which case they'd get picked up at the UK border.
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But according to previous posts in this thread they wouldn't be allowed to work here (which they do) and wouldn't qualify for social housing (which they also do).
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,194
dutchman said:
Do they not have to be granted "asylum seeker" or something first?
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They have to be apply asylum status, be granted that status and then given EU citizenship before enjoying freedom of movement. That’s a whole process. Nothing automatic about that as it’s not a guarantee. Asylum may also only be granted while a child so they may have to return at the age of 18 having never gained EU citizenship. There’s been a good few high profile cases of that happening in the U.K. of late.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,195
dutchman said:
But according to previous posts in this thread they wouldn't be allowed to work here (which they do) and wouldn't qualify for social housing (which they also do).
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That’s not automatic though. They have to have been successful in claiming asylum and then be successful in gaining EU citizenship first.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,196
dutchman said:
But according to previous posts in this thread they wouldn't be allowed to work here (which they do) and wouldn't qualify for social housing (which they also do).
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Do you mean if they have been granted EU citizenship?
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,197
The fact is they're here and they're not from any former British colony, likewise Tunisians, Moroccans, etc.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,198
dutchman said:
The fact is they're here and they're not from any former British colony, likewise Tunisians, Moroccans, etc.
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There are plenty of South Americans here and none of them are from an ex-British colony.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,199
dutchman said:
The fact is they're here and they're not from any former British colony, likewise Tunisians, Moroccans, etc.
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So? What’s your point?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,200
Sick Boy said:
LOL yes I'm sure organised crime gangs have loads of interest in working legally and no organised crime gangs have ever entered and committed crimes in a country that has tough immigration laws.

Most Romanians are decent people and aren't gangsters, btw
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Most are hard working. Then they send money back to those they left behind. But should we ignore what the others do?
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,201
Sick Boy said:
There are plenty of South Americans here and none of them are from an ex-British colony.
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Where? On a social housing estate in Coventry?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,202
Sky Blue Pete said:
I’ve read most of the posts on here and most recognise there have been benefits and costs to Eu migration. Very rare to see any recognition of emigration to Eu nations from us Brits. It’s a shame that facts are so hard to come by in this brave new world. They do say truth is the first victim don’t they?
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I have said a fair few times about my family that have moved to an EU country. And also about my plans that were to leave the UK semi permanently in 9 years. I see it both ways. But I am not supposed to mention anything which causes problems in the UK. If you need proof just look at the diatribe that Tony comes out with. And the fool voted UKIP.
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,203
skybluetony176 said:
So? What’s your point?
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There's no good reason for them being here.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,204
Sick Boy said:
Astute's sister runs and owns a bar in France, I believe, so he knows all too well.
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Yes correct as I have just mentioned.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,205
Astute said:
Most are hard working. Then they send money back to those they left behind. But should we ignore what the others do?
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I don't see how you could begrudge a working person doing what they wish, including giving it to their family. I'm sure you would do the same in their position.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,206
skybluetony176 said:
Can’t even guess what that’s supposed to mean.

Do you acknowledge what I’ve said is correct?
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I acknowledge that what you have said is you twisting the truth as usual and have ignored everything I have said as usual.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,207
Sick Boy said:
I don't see how you could begrudge a working person doing what they wish, including giving it to their family. I'm sure you would do the same in their position.
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Just point out once where I have said anything against it.

What I do point out is how it affects people in the UK. Then I get told it makes no difference. Like millions of people moving here makes no difference to our homeless problem. Yeah OK. It isn't their fault but it does make a massive difference.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,208
Astute said:
Just point out once where I have said anything against it.

What I do point out is how it affects people in the UK. Then I get told it makes no difference. Like millions of people moving here makes no difference to our homeless problem. Yeah OK. It isn't their fault but it does make a massive difference.
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Then surely you consider that those who were invited to move here from the former-colonies have also caused a strain, yet you only ever seem to target EU migrants. If the economy remains successful after Brexit, then both skilled and non-skilled migrants will required. The government likes to go on about record employment levels, if that is the case then it suggests these workers are filling jobs; I would be much more sympathetic to your point if there were increasing levels of unemployment but it is those at the job taking care of their own and ignoring those at the bottom and blaming working people looking for a better life who come to this country and contribute in tax revenues.

I think that Blair made a mistake in not implementing controls on Poles working here when Poland joined the EU, there was a sudden surge and it caused people to feel unsettled, I remember it at the time. This was a domestic policy though, and I am sure I read somewhere that since Germany lifted restrictions, more have started to go there instead.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,209
dutchman said:
There's no good reason for them being here.
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Who? This guy?



Says who?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,210
dutchman said:
Where? On a social housing estate in Coventry?
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Stoke El damoor!
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,211
Astute said:
I acknowledge that what you have said is you twisting the truth as usual and have ignored everything I have said as usual.
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So what have I said that’s factually incorrect? The only person who twisted is you. You said that the mental health unit was closing because they couldn’t cope because of immigrants swelling the local population. A) it wasn’t closing it was moving. B) it was moving to make way for an growing elderly population not a growing immigrant population as you claimed. That’s you twisting not me. You post a link to a benefit to the Hospital as a growth in the migrant population saved the maternity unit from closure as the population growth has made the unit sustainable. You now dismiss and twist your own link. That’s again you twisting, not me. Twisting your own link I might add, nothing I brought up in the first place. And then we had your anecdote yesterday about a woman dying when being moved to a different hospital as if somehow it was the fault of the EU or immigration yet in your post (presumably copied and pasted) it said it was due to a delay in the decision to move her that caused her death. I asked you to clarify how that was the EU’s fault and never got an explanation after you had tried to twist a delayed decision into it being the fault of the EU and migrants. Twisting again.

Then you have the audacity to accuse others of twisting. I’ve corrected your twisting, nothing else. If I’m guilty of anything it’s untwisting not twisting. You should change your username to Chubby Checker with the amount of twisting you do.
 

dutchman

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,212
skybluetony176 said:
Who? This guy?

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That's Richard Branson's House Boy isn't it?

skybluetony176 said:
Says who?
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Who says otherwise?

Nigerians, Kenyans, Ugandans, etc. I can understand but not Africans with no historical connection with Britain.
 

fellatio_Martinez

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,213
The notion that immigration will stop after even the hardest of brexits is naive.

African migrants will fill whatever gap the EU workers leave.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,214
fellatio_Martinez said:
The notion that immigration will stop after even the hardest of brexits is naive.

African migrants will fill whatever gap the EU workers leave.
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Or workers from India once migration laws for them are softened in return for a trade deal. It's never been about immigration for those at the top though, it's been used to get people worked up.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,215
dutchman said:
That's Richard Branson's House Boy isn't it?



Who says otherwise?

Nigerians, Kenyans, Ugandans, etc. I can understand but not Africans with no historical connection with Britain.
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What an ignorant fuck you are.

He came to the U.K. at the age of 8 as a refugee to escape the exact same ignorance you’re displaying.

Who says otherwise? The sovereign law of this country, that’s who.

He arrived unable to speak English but such are the virtues of the U.K. he loves this country and proudly represents it as British. I suspect he’s done more for the benefit of the U.K. in the 27 years he’s been here than you’ll achieve in your lifetime. He’s a fine example of what is good about this country in the fact that he’s here in the first place and the opportunity he’s grasped with both hands to achieve what he has. You want to make out his displaced. I’d suggest that it’s you and your moronic ramblings that are displaced. A 1000 of you aren’t worth 1 Mo Farah. I’m proud to have him as a fellow Brit and I’m proud that this country has enough about it to give him that opportunity.

Oh, I forgot to say that Somaliland which is Mo Farahs ethnic background was a British colony you ignorant prick.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,216
dutchman said:
It's not just about about total numbers. Many of the so-called "EU migrants" come from countries with no historical connection with Britain, who don't speak English (at least as a second language) and whose culture is totally alien to anything in this country.
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Where would that be? Alien culture in Christian Europe? Gipsies maybe as the live in their own communities wherever they are. But, othordox or RC are not alien cultures.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,217
dutchman said:
If they arrived in another EU country first, I believe they then have an automatic right of entry to the UK?

Whatever the technicalities there are a very large number of them where I live and increasing every day.
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That sounds like absolute crap to me. The Dublin agreement says otherwise, and, as we are not in Schengen, how do they cross our borders without our consent?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,218
martcov said:
Where would that be? Alien culture in Christian Europe? Gipsies maybe as the live in their own communities wherever they are. But, othordox or RC are not alien cultures.
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You’d have thought that a Dutchman would know of William of Orange as well. Coming other here with his religion, setting up the basis of the Church of England.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,219
dutchman said:
The "EU migrants" I mentioned was a euphamism, I really meant those colonial migrants from outside the EU who use EU rules as a right of entry to the UK.

And yes those "Little-Britons" who build hideous villas which antagonise the Spanish locals annoy me just as much. I had a blazing row with a British friend over the subject.
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How does that work? A Pakistani goes to Germany to come to Britain? If Mogg gets his way, Asians will encouraged to come instead of EU citizens. He says people of Pakistani descent should bring their relations over.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 23, 2018
  • #24,220
Astute said:
Already answered. 1+1 isn't 5.
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True. Not 5. keep trying you’re getting warmer.
 
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