SIR ERNIE
Well-Known Member
Oh dear. Verhofstadt loses his temper...the truth from his own mouth.
Scary echoes from the past.
The EU is a Union if sovereign nations not a foreign body. Voluntarily. What sovereignty has been taken... as opposed to voluntarily pooled? There is none. We have agreed to every treaty. What are you on about?
Well if that’s the case then if there’s an election Vince “Mr Euro” Cable will sweep power as Jeremy Corbyn wants a far harder Brexit than Johnson and Gove. As they believe in remaining they’ll be demanding the Blair creature back to lead labour
The EU is a Union if sovereign nations not a foreign body. Voluntarily.
The remain voters don't a shite about anyone else or the country but themselves........Horrible little greedy bastards.
According to Toby Young on Question Time it's the remainers fault that Brexit ha not been a success so far, depressingly it's always going to be someone else's fault.
Man made climate change probably began the day man discovered how to make fire.
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I was gobsmacked today to learn that a good pal of mine who couldn't be any more a stereotype liberal if he tried was a leave voter. Just goes to show how blindly black and white this argument has become. What actually surprised me was his sub conscious apology before he revealed how he had voted. Said a lot that he was worried about how he would be viewed in the bullying culture of this debate
What objective evidence? There is none, you are talking about predictions & opinions and there are always doomsayers out there.
There is one common thread with predictions, they are nearly always wrong.
The recessions in the 70's and 80's were worse
UK recessions since 1945: how they compare
Those who bought a house and managed to keep paying when mortgage rates went up to about 15%........Yes 15% and not record low levels like now and with mass unemployment.
Older generations had it easier? Would you like to explain how you came to this point? The biggest difference is pensions. You can say thanks to Gordon Brown for the demise of the final salary pensions.
And how do you blame the certain generations you are having another dig at for global warming? What information did they ignore? Look at how many cars were on the road then and now. Look at how many people flew then and now. How about the catastrophic pollution which is made in the name of battery and wind power production. Fracking isn't that good either.
When I was a kid double glazing and central heating was new. Hardly anyone had it. You had to wrap up inside your house when the weather got bad. Shopping cost more as there wasn't an over supply of supermarkets like there is now. A lot more if income went on food. Just like it did if you could afford to run a car. And they were not reliable either. University was mainly for the rich and well off only.
I have constantly said that I am worried for the youth of today. But don't try to make out that all generations before had it easy because they didn't. I had to work 6 or 7 days a week and study at the same time. And that was working at least 12 hours a day. No holiday pay.
Have you asked the older generations how hard life was? Yes it got better over the years. But it was easy because life was so hard.
There never used to be a minimum wage. There were not top ups like there is now. If you needed more money you had to work more hours if you could get them. But a lot if the time you were lucky to have a job.
Who is going to demand Blair returns? There's plenty of pro-EU labour politicians than Blair.
I genuinely don't know who'd I'd vote for out of the power lot, for the first time in my life I probably wouldn't even bother, which is a very sad state of affairs as I've alway believed everyone should get out and vote.
And the Prime Minister has been called a traitor for not going far enough
Hey I agree, my point is that logical debate has gone out of the window. It's ok for someone to believe in Europe without being labelled a snowflake liberal and it's ok to believe in the ability of the UK to go it alone without being labelled a right wing nazi
Apparently is the word.This is it...the younger generation are the first to be worse off then the one before apparently. What is the measure though? Money probably.
There is the problem...people with lots of money want somebody to address the younger generation's reduced wealth...because that means their own growth in wealth is impacted.
Quailty of life is a better measure. I suspect all things considered - their QoL is slightly better than the previous generation.
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Did you ever take any notice of Farage?Then on the night of the vote Farage said that if Remain were to win 52-48, then the 'fight' would carry on as it wouldn't have been clear enough. Funnily enough, he went quiet about it once Leave won.
Have you considered what they say? Gordon Brown cost us final salary pensions. The housing crisis has been made worse by anyone with an EU passport being able to live here. But those who suffer the most from it want to keep the borders open. Work that one out.Erm
Five charts show why millennials are worse off than their parents | Financial Times
Millennials £2,700,000,000,000 worse off because of previous generation's decisions | Metro News
Millennials will not be worse off than the Baby Boomers in retirement...But only if they get on the housing ladder
Revealed: the 30-year economic betrayal dragging down Generation Y’s income
I never said previous generations had it easy, just that there used to be a trend of them getting it easier than the ones before. Mine is the first to buck the trend in a multitude of ways. We will likely be the first generation to have parts of the planet made uninhabitable by climate change. It will make the Syrian refugee crisis look like a bus queue. Scientists have been presenting the evidence regarding man-made climate change for decades and aside from a few band-aid treaties they have largely been ignored. Countries invested more in pointless wars and financial services as opposed to alternative fuels. Donald Trump thinks it's a hoax and wants to keep pumping shit into the atmosphere.
Have you considered what they say? Gordon Brown cost us final salary pensions. The housing crisis has been made worse by anyone with an EU passport being able to live here. But those who suffer the most from it want to keep the borders open. Work that one out.
Personally I believe the country can and will thrive in either scenario
Oh dear. Verhofstadt loses his temper...the truth from his own mouth.
Scary echoes from the past.
And the leavers genuinely believe that Brexit would have a positive effect on the country........We could go on and on and on.
Believe. Sounds like religion.
So was the United States of America, until some of them decided to leave!
Believe. Sounds like religion.
Yeah. I will just be interested to see who is the next to blame for the country being shit when we leave.
It doesn't matter that Vote Leave said, the government isnti obliged to deliver it's version of Leave. Nor does it matter what Farage, Toby Young etc said. Fact is the 2016 vote was advertised as fhe final decision and that the government would enact the result either way.
Now the people who wanted to remain and didn't want a referendum in the first place won't accept the result of the referendum but want another referendum as they'd accept the result of that. It all sounds a bit Donald Trump to me: "I'll accept the result....if I win!"
It doesn't matter that Vote Leave said, the government isnti obliged to deliver it's version of Leave. Nor
does it matter what Farage, Toby Young etc said. Fact is the 2016 vote was advertised as fhe final decision and that the government would enact the result either way.
Now the people who wanted to remain and didn't want a referendum in the first place won't accept the result of the referendum but want another referendum as they'd accept the result of that. It all sounds a bit Donald Trump to me: "I'll accept the result....if I win!"
Did you ever take any notice of Farage?
Should there be another referendum because of something Farage said?
It doesn't matter that Vote Leave said, the government isnti obliged to deliver it's version of Leave. Nor does it matter what Farage, Toby Young etc said. Fact is the 2016 vote was advertised as fhe final decision and that the government would enact the result either way.
Now the people who wanted to remain and didn't want a referendum in the first place won't accept the result of the referendum but want another referendum as they'd accept the result of that. It all sounds a bit Donald Trump to me: "I'll accept the result....if I win!"
Have you considered what they say? Gordon Brown cost us final salary pensions. The housing crisis has been made worse by anyone with an EU passport being able to live here. But those who suffer the most from it want to keep the borders open. Work that one out.
Yep only a true fanatic or idiot would speak of any future event as fact
You’ve ignored the point that the current labour leader favours leaving and is opposed to freedom of movement. No remainder will vote for him surely?
This country is far from shit. People will travel miles and risk life and limb to be here. A good look around the world should show how lucky we are
As we discussed before, I think this will eventually be his downfall but I still can't believe how many think he is pro-Remain. I will never vote for the party again while he is in charge.
That’s true, which why leaving is turning out differently to as it was sold.
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