Started his internship in 1975 and qualified as a surgeon in 1979 so 4 years. Then practiced until 1993 (18 years).So how many years of training just to give it all up to become an MP?
Yes I can read. Like I said he gave it up to be an MP. Look at my last post and work out why he didRead Chief Dave's Post. He had to give it up. Read the CV and when you have done that tell me again that he never had a job. You have gone mad trying to support this disaster. Even if he gave his job up he still had a Job. Farage's own company is in voluntary insolvency. I wish he would give up his job at the parliament. He is a hypocrite.
When the law changed in 1993 forbidding MPs to have non-parliamentary employment was the point at which he 'gave it all up'
He was a Lithuanian MP when he left. Their salary is around £20K a year.Yes I can read. Like I said he gave it up to be an MP. Look at my last post and work out why he did
Not really. He was doing both jobs until a change in the law required that to end.So he gave it up to be an MP.
The reality is he trained for 4 years and practiced for 18 only leaving the profession when he couldn't maintain both roles due to a change in the law. Given the salary of a Lithuanian MP I suspect in leaving the medical profession he gave up the bigger salary.Surgeon for 6 years. Gave it up 1993? So he took longer in training than in the job.
Farage was in the Conservative party until 1992 around the time the Maastricht treaty was signed.
He is posh and is your archetypal Tory, just too Euro sceptic to fit into the Tory party as it stands. Don't kid yourself that he's one of you. He is a former investment banker.
I voted leave like you but not because of Farage. (PS, in political posts, the acronym 'NF' is generally meant for a party slightly to the right of UKIP).
So he gave it up to be an MP.
Unelected Juncker, 61, 2 years so far in position. £245,629 pay. Plus residential allowance £36,844. Plus monthly expense allowance £1,135. Plus pension for life at 65 of £52,500. So 7 years gets him a pension that the vast majority can only dream of.
And he is not alone. The other unelected are on similar
Well according to Astute that is as Farage said ' never had a proper Job in his Life'. Kingofkings is convinced that Farage is honest and standing up to the establishment. Farage knows full well people will post his speech without the facts. Spin at it's best. Kok even believes it was Farage's referendum and that Johnson is honest.
Www.express.co.uk/news/politics/677905/EU-president-tusk-juncker-shulz-pay-perks-pensions-revealed-unelected
Not bad for those not even elected for their jobs. Yet some just want to stick up for the 'jobs for the boys'
I think that's what they call the gravy train. Tells you everything you need to know about the EU. Wasn't that van Rompuy guy on the same and retired to half a million just like that. Makes you sick.
Ask Farage he knows how best to ride the gravy train. It is bad, but it is only one aspect of the EU.
Personally I'd like to see wages slashed in politics. Start with our own MPs.I think that's what they call the gravy train.
Never said such words and neither has astute. You're just putting words in our mouths. I said farage is the only one who seems to stand up to the establishment and Boris is very much liked because he at least makes the odd mistake and admits is making him very likable.
For the record I don't trust any of them but i prefer some to others like everyone and everyone will have their own personal favourites.
Look I know you are bitter about the result that leave won. But if we actually all come together things will work and be better than before. If we keep name calling and being bitter then more fool you.
It's all a gravy train. All politicians are on it in the eu. Farage not different. I wouldn't give it up either would you? We agree on something at least Martcov.
Personally I'd like to see wages slashed in politics. Start with our own MPs.
Make it so they all receive the average UK wage or something similar. I'd also stop all this second home rubbish. Would be much cheaper in the long run to build accommodation for MPs. Give them the basics they need, you could even have services they need for work, such as secretaries, on site. Could put office space in as well and help with the overcrowding issue in parliament.
Would also ban secondary incomes and place restrictions on what positions can be taken after leaving parliament, or put a high tax rate on them. Stop MPs acting in, for example, the banks interest and then getting a nice well paying position when they leave parliament.
Exactly. I suspect you'd also see an end to career politicians who do very little but pocket a huge amount of cash. How many MPs these days aren't even from the area they represent.The average income would be fairer. If the country was doing well they would benefit, if not, they would know how we feel.
So you continue to agree with us about Farage and Boris but make out that we say differently. OK.Astute is saying that Farage is right and quotes the CV of a Lithuanian MEP as 'proof'.
Farage is standing up for Farage and is part of the banking and public school elite.
Boris is a clown and people like a clown. But, he is dishonest and doesn't always admit his mistakes - that is why the Times sacked him.
I am bitter that my countrymen believed these demagogues and I think we will be worse off not having a future say in matters of the EU. Time will tell, but we can already see the bullshit from the likes of Johnson and Farage.
The campaign to keep as much of the benefits of EU membership must continue and if possible allow a future return if the attitude of the voters changes e.g. if the negotiations go pear shape.
May part of an unelected government? Yes. But we will have the chance to vote her out. The Queen now makes the rules and laws does she? You have been in Germany too long to remember the truth.Who appointed Mrs May? Did the electorate have any choice in the case of the new PM? Who appointed the Queen? Who appointed the members of the House of Lords? The UK is one state formed by 3 countries and 1 province with open borders, a single currency and free movement of people governed ultimately by an unelected head of state and an upper chamber of non-elected peers and bishops. In comparison, the EU is more democrartic, but you don't like the EU. You are sticking up for our unelected elite. A part of our establishment prefers not to have to answer to the EU establishment - whether or not that is better for the rest of the population remains to be seen.
So you continue to agree with us about Farage and Boris but make out that we say differently. OK.
If you are going to keep having a go why don't you say anything about what Juncker has done or said. You will have read the link I posted about their pay. And it also says some of the things he has done including racist comments. But strangely enough you have not mentioned anything about him. Why is that?
Just in case you forgot what it said about Juncker and the others.
May part of an unelected government? Yes. But we will have the chance to vote her out. The Queen now makes the rules and laws does she? You have been in Germany too long to remember the truth.
Now let's get back to Juncker and similar. They were never voted in. And we can never vote them out. Juncker behaves badly. But they either can't or won't do anything about it. Yet you try and say that we are as bad as them.
And you can't blame The Mail for this as the link wasn't for the Mail.
So how does Juncker get away with things like he does? It is an absolute joke.
How many times have you said about Juncker making racist comments?I don't like Juncker and I have mentioned the accusations of heavy drinking, e.g. Cognac for breakfast, before on this thread. We were, however, talking about Farage and Johnson because KoK has said that both are honest. You were saying that you don't want open borders, unelected politicians, a single currency - I was just pointing out that, in the case of the UK, you already have all these, but take them for granted.
You can't get rid of Juncker. If you could he would already be gone. But he is in for the 5 year term. And not only does he get a lot of money for it he gets a pension of over 50k a year for 5 years in the job.Tusk does not make the rules as President either. Juncker was appointed by elected representatives and will - shortly - be removed by them. I agree the commission should be more democratic and transparent - so do a lot of European polititians. Whether the link comes from the Mail or the Express is immaterial. The question is whether we would be better off in or out of the EU? We also have political scandals e.g. over expenses, but we are still a parliamentary democracy and have to take care of these problems by introducing more accountabilty, which we are doing. So the EU must do the same - no disagreement there.
I don't like Juncker and I have mentioned the accusations of heavy drinking, e.g. Cognac for breakfast, before on this thread. We were, however, talking about Farage and Johnson because KoK has said that both are honest. You were saying that you don't want open borders, unelected politicians, a single currency - I was just pointing out that, in the case of the UK, you already have all these, but take them for granted.
always had a different opinion on the 1st part of this.Personally I'd like to see wages slashed in politics. Start with our own MPs.
Make it so they all receive the average UK wage or something similar. I'd also stop all this second home rubbish. Would be much cheaper in the long run to build accommodation for MPs. Give them the basics they need, you could even have services they need for work, such as secretaries, on site. Could put office space in as well and help with the overcrowding issue in parliament.
Would also ban secondary incomes and place restrictions on what positions can be taken after leaving parliament, or put a high tax rate on them. Stop MPs acting in, for example, the banks interest and then getting a nice well paying position when they leave parliament.
How many times have you said about Juncker making racist comments?
You were going on about Farage and Boris because you haven't stopped going on about them since the vote didn't go the way you wanted.
I said I didn't want open borders because you can't stop the wrong people coming in. You can't do police checks. And we have had yet another atrocity in France. Open borders are not good.
Unelected as in people who never need voting in or to stay in.
Single currency like the failing Euro. Where countries have no control. Nobody in their right mind would want it.
I don't like Farage or Boris. Full stop.I don't like Juncker. Full stop.
I don't like Farage or Boris. Full stop.
Does this mean that I don't have to bring them up in anything and only mention them when pushed now?
Like I said we are always talking about Boris and Farage because you always bring them up. You then accuse me of saying things that I haven't.I thought we were talking about Boris because he is in the news ( Army Bike posted on this thread ) and Farage because KoK was praising him.
Whatever Juncker may earn, say, or be, he wasn't what we were talking about.
Like I said we are always talking about Boris and Farage because you always bring them up. You then accuse me of saying things that I haven't.
You might not want to talk about Juncker. But many others do. Things would be much better in the EU without Juncker. He is a power crazed racist idiot. And he wants to keep a stranglehold on the EU for another 4 years. So he is going to give us a hard time for going against his wishes.
I agree with you entirely about Juncker. I think he will be put under pressure to resign and the EU will introduce more democracy in future.
If you want to talk more about Juncker, please do. We seem to agree on that and I am not arguing against you.
Time will tell, but you could still end up with immigration and having to comply with EU regulations, but with no say in the matter. The deal has yet to be done.
There are years of bureaucratic negotiations to come.
Up until now nothing has happened to our trading conditions.
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