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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (13 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,891
Grendel said:
Strange though isn’t it? The notion Russia influence has massively grown through cyber activity and this is a new phenomenon is nonsense.

It’s biggest influence in the post Cold War era was without question in the late 70’s and early 80’s

Then there was direct infiltration into the unions and the Labour Party and there was a clear strategy to try and bring down the democratic system

The leader of the opposition was without much doubt paid by the KGB. The miners union was funded by Russia and the miners were used by its Marxist leaders try and destroy the government of the day. Militant tendency was riddled with kremlin sponsored Trotskyites. Oddly though the same people who express indignation at the Russian apparent (and far less significant) interference now didn’t seem very bothered then.

As for America let’s also remember that the so called liberals like Clinton were suck ups to the IRA and sponsored bombs and bullets to murder British citizens. Again little indignation there either.
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Very interesting.

Now back to millions of false posts trying to stir up pro Brexit anger and anti Muslim hatred. That is not in a history book. That happened and is still happening and has been more successful than any Cold War measure. Even better for Russia, they can wage a propaganda war from St Petersburg with little physical risk.

It works so well that the targets, although repeating what is in the propaganda, claim that they weren’t affected by it. Not everybody voted leave because of Russian influence. Even the Russians know that. The target was to hit the undecided and swing it enough by convincing a relatively small percentage of voters.

Bingo. It worked and Grendel is deflecting to a histocal narrative to avoid further discussion on electoral manipulation.

And, seeing as Banks avoided mentioning all but one of his Russian meetings before an investigative journalist pulled the information out, it seems there is something going on or something went on. I would like to know what.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,892
Grendel said:
But the use of similar funding of a tax payer propaganda should? What’s your view on the £9 million leaflet?
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The UK government issuing guidance as requested by the HOL and outside of the regulated campaign, is not similar to a foreign power using propaganda financed by funds channeled illegally by a British subject ( if this is proved to be the case) to further it’s strategic aims.

The content from either side is not the question, nor even if they were or were not successful.

You seem to have very anti UK interests.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,893
Astute said:
I am supposed to want him to hang without knowing what he has or supposed to have done. I don't have a clue what is going on here. So what is wrong with asking?
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You know what he’s accused of doing and you know that there’s enough information for the NCA to look into it. If the NCA considers there to be a case they will seek a prosecution and he will have his day in court. We all know that you don’t know what’s going on but thanks for the confirmation.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,894
skybluetony176 said:
You know what he’s accused of doing and you know that there’s enough information for the NCA to look into it. If the NCA considers there to be a case they will seek a prosecution and he will have his day in court. We all know that you don’t know what’s going on but thanks for the confirmation.
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No I don't know what he has supposed to have done. And considering I was asking on here what he was supposed to have done and never got a reply I take it not many if any at all knows what he is supposed to have done.

Is he guilty of voting UKIP? It was those who voted UKIP that led us towards the Brexit referendum. Good old Cameron offered the referendum if they would vote for him once again. The twats.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,895
Astute said:
No I don't know what he has supposed to have done. And considering I was asking on here what he was supposed to have done and never got a reply I take it not many if any at all knows what he is supposed to have done.

Is he guilty of voting UKIP? It was those who voted UKIP that led us towards the Brexit referendum. Good old Cameron offered the referendum if they would vote for him once again. The twats.
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You have been answered on here and can easily google Daily Mail. As you have done often enough in the past.

Here is another link to a leaver who bent financial rules: Brexit: The Movie producer charged with £500,000 fraud
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,896
The other amusing thing about “Russian influence” is that all Russia can do and has done for years is to claim influence

It’s a tin pot country with a GDP dwarfed by such mighty powers as India.

Amusing really that the usual clueless suspects on this thread were all over the Salisbury poisoning thread claiming some bizarre conspiracy. Anyone with half a brain knew it was another desperate attempt by the Russian hierarchy to claim to be a big world power with great influence. It will love the attention that the great cyberspace theory brings it but in reality it’s a tiny country trying to puff itself up.

Since the early 70’s Brezhnev knew the game was up and since then the meddling and the infiltration has been the stuff of Dads Army.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,897
Astute said:
No I don't know what he has supposed to have done. And considering I was asking on here what he was supposed to have done and never got a reply I take it not many if any at all knows what he is supposed to have done.

Is he guilty of voting UKIP? It was those who voted UKIP that led us towards the Brexit referendum. Good old Cameron offered the referendum if they would vote for him once again. The twats.
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Top trolling. OK, you pretend you have no idea what the allegations are. It’s only all over the news but you keep pretending that you don’t know if it somehow helps you out.
 
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Astute

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,898
Grendel said:
Since the early 70’s Brezhnev knew the game was up and since then the meddling and the infiltration has been the stuff of Dads Army.
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They made Dads Army look professional. They kept all their rubbish in a bag so they didn't leave any evidence behind then left it in a taxi. They let CCTC have full shots of them as they went to the house.

Then you have how secretive the Russian secret service is :smuggrin:

String of own goals by Russian spies exposes a strange sloppiness
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,899
skybluetony176 said:
Top trolling. OK, you pretend you have no idea what the allegations are. It’s only all over the news but you keep pretending that you don’t know if it somehow helps you out.
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I was at work all night last night. Look at the times of my posts. I am up now as it is one of my kids birthdays. No time to check last night and no time now. So what is he supposed to have done?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,900
Grendel said:
The other amusing thing about “Russian influence” is that all Russia can do and has done for years is to claim influence

It’s a tin pot country with a GDP dwarfed by such mighty powers as India.

Amusing really that the usual clueless suspects on this thread were all over the Salisbury poisoning thread claiming some bizarre conspiracy. Anyone with half a brain knew it was another desperate attempt by the Russian hierarchy to claim to be a big world power with great influence. It will love the attention that the great cyberspace theory brings it but in reality it’s a tiny country trying to puff itself up.

Since the early 70’s Brezhnev knew the game was up and since then the meddling and the infiltration has been the stuff of Dads Army.
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Which is why they keep getting exposed and hopefully Banks will be exposed by their carelessness and his greed.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,901
Astute said:
I was at work all night last night. Look at the times of my posts. I am up now as it is one of my kids birthdays. No time to check last night and no time now. So what is he supposed to have done?
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You knew all about Russian sloppiness though.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,902
martcov said:
You knew all about Russian sloppiness though.
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Yes oh Intelligent one. Has been in the news for months. Whereas this one I have missed. So when was it on the news?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,903
martcov said:
Which is why they keep getting exposed and hopefully Banks will be exposed by their carelessness and his greed.
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Yes if guilty should be easy to prove. It isn't a secret service anymore.

Guilty of what though? Think I have asked enough now. Although I am used to having questions dodged on this thread frequently.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,904
Astute said:
Yes if guilty should be easy to prove. It isn't a secret service anymore.

Guilty of what though? Think I have asked enough now. Although I am used to having questions dodged on this thread frequently.
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question dodged? Mart answered on the previous page.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,905
clint van damme said:
question dodged? Mart answered on the previous page.
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Got him blocked. Clicked on show ignored content and saw comments on this page.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,906
Grappa said:
The fucking brass neck on Cameron wanting to get back into front-line politics because he's bored. Best keep your trotters up, mate.
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Popular meme..
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,907
clint van damme said:
question dodged? Mart answered on the previous page.
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So how much did he donate?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,908
Astute said:
So how much did he donate?
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it's not about how much, it's about the companies it was donated through and the origin of the money.
He claims it's all above board so we'll see.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,909
clint van damme said:
it's not about how much, it's about the companies it was donated through and the origin of the money.
He claims it's all above board so we'll see.
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I thought Mart said largest private donation ever.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,910
Astute said:
Yes if guilty should be easy to prove. It isn't a secret service anymore.

Guilty of what though? Think I have asked enough now. Although I am used to having questions dodged on this thread frequently.
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Using funds from a foreign country/ person.

Using funds from an offshore account.

Not cooperating with a commons select committee.

1 and 2 yet be proved of course. 3 not a crime, but enough to be referred to the NCA for further investigation.

How much clearer do you need?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,911
Astute said:
I thought Mart said largest private donation ever.
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Yes. That is correct. He claims to be the ultimate beneficial owner which means he is the donor, not the companies. That is his argument not mine.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,912
Astute said:
Got him blocked. Clicked on show ignored content and saw comments on this page.
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Yes, Mister neutral, you blocked me to be able to claim you know nothing of any negative aspects of your bs. Problem is that I am not the only one who can see what is happening. You can’t bullshit everyone.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,913
clint van damme said:
it's not about how much, it's about the companies it was donated through and the origin of the money.
He claims it's all above board so we'll see.
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He’s on TV on Sunday with Andrew Marr, so anyone, including Astute ( and the NCA ) can see what his version is.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,914
Astute said:
Got him blocked. Clicked on show ignored content and saw comments on this page.
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It would be easier for you to have a „debate“ if you were able to read what the „opponent“ has to say. That is if you are interested in a debate as opposed to hoping for approval of everything you say.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,915
Astute said:
Yes oh Intelligent one. Has been in the news for months. Whereas this one I have missed. So when was it on the news?
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The HoC select committee was weeks ago. The video of the Banks walk out under pressure is on YouTube. Still seeing as you think Farage has gone away, I am not surprised that you missed the claims about Banks.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,916
Astute said:
I thought Mart said largest private donation ever.
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The funny thing about Mad Mart is his obsession with banks has only to do with his Brexit stance. If he was a remainder Mart wouldn’t give a hoot.

This is proven by his very positive support of the vile greedy capitalist George Soros - a speculator who happily brings economies to their knees for his own benefit
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,917
martcov said:
He’s on TV on Sunday with Andrew Marr, so anyone, including Astute ( and the NCA ) can see what his version is.
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He’s supposed to be on question time next week as well.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,918
Grendel said:
The funny thing about Mad Mart is his obsession with banks has only to do with his Brexit stance. If he was a remainder Mart wouldn’t give a hoot.

This is proven by his very positive support of the vile greedy capitalist George Soros - a speculator who happily brings economies to their knees for his own benefit
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Then the same could be said of Astute's obsessions as well.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,919
Grendel said:
The funny thing about Mad Mart is his obsession with banks has only to do with his Brexit stance. If he was a remainder Mart wouldn’t give a hoot.

This is proven by his very positive support of the vile greedy capitalist George Soros - a speculator who happily brings economies to their knees for his own benefit
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I don’t have an obsession with Banks. I think he is one of the „enemies of the people“ and want to see him exposed for that.

I am not particularly interested in George Soros, but I am interested in the demonising of him. Why do the right constantly do that? He is Jewish and a financier in addition to supporting democracy. The bogey man of fascism. I suppose that is grounds enough to bring people like Grendel on to the same side as some of the most abhorrent people on the planet... all united in hate against the bogey man. Anyone bringing George Soros into a debate as a negative is losing the argument.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,920
skybluetony176 said:
He’s supposed to be on question time next week as well.
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Can’t be true. The BBC is pro EU and only allows remainers a platform ( hahaha ).
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,921
Grendel said:
The funny thing about Mad Mart is his obsession with banks has only to do with his Brexit stance. If he was a remainder Mart wouldn’t give a hoot.

This is proven by his very positive support of the vile greedy capitalist George Soros - a speculator who happily brings economies to their knees for his own benefit
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Any examples of my proven positive support of George Soros? Apart from me not hating him.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,922
clint van damme said:
it's not about how much, it's about the companies it was donated through and the origin of the money.
He claims it's all above board so we'll see.
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Well he flew back to UK today and seems very confident.
PS I wonder if all the publicity about this might prejudice the investigation.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,923
Captain Dart said:
Well he flew back to UK today and seems very confident.
PS I wonder if all the publicity about this might prejudice the investigation.
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Revealed: Isle of Man firm at centre of claims against Arron Banks
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,924
Captain Dart said:
Well he flew back to UK today and seems very confident.
PS I wonder if all the publicity about this might prejudice the investigation.
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Hardly. Much of the information is publicly accessible or has been mentioned on tape at the select committee. Surprisingly enough, Wigmore of Belize didn’t offer this proof, if it is proof of anything, at the select committee.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 3, 2018
  • #22,925
Captain Dart said:
Well he flew back to UK today and seems very confident.
PS I wonder if all the publicity about this might prejudice the investigation.
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Well he's on Marr tonorrow through his own choice! There is a precedent apparently so it should be ok.
 
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