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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,821
Grappa said:
The fucking brass neck on Cameron wanting to get back into front-line politics because he's bored. Best keep your trotters up, mate.
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HAHA!!
 
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Ashdown

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,822
martcov said:
I am well aware of the connectivity between many things happening together. Trump and Brexit are in some sense the same. They stem from the consequences of 2008. Even SISU has a relationship to 2008 in that they got involved with CCFC just before the crash as people were taking risks and winning. The collapse of the banking system and the end of a period of growth showed up flaws in society. This together with the growth of YouTube, FB and co, has allowed the spread of news and views and hate, which has created new problems by allowing, in effect, some bad people an uncontrolled platform. They can make up stories, alter photos and videos with little or no comeback. No right of reply. I check the links on here, and make a point of googling the author and media source. Often as not, there are dubious people or right wing extremists or just right wing think tanks behind the links. More right wing links from the leaver side. I wonder why? If Brexit were really the will of the people you would expect a mix of left and right and relatively neutral people supporting it.
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More total paranoia from Mossad Mart !
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,823
Ashdown said:
More total paranoia from Mossad Mart !
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Just asking..... no answer from you then?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,824
Ashdown said:
More total paranoia from Mossad Mart !
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Best thing I did was put that rabid crank on ignore
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,825
Grendel said:
Best thing I did was put that rabid crank on ignore
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1. I don't believe you did. 2. Rabid old krank = grumpy old man. Which funnily enough is how I described you. Halloween is over, you can go back to your other favourite threads now, insulting fellow fans, CCFC players and the City of Coventry, as is your normal contribution.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,826
Grendel said:
Best thing I did was put that rabid crank on ignore
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You to. He still rants at me even since I did it.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,827
Sick Boy said:
If the likes of Banks were involved in anything pro-EU-related, you'd be all over it.
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Oh the irony.

This is what pisses me off with this thread.

They were all at it. They all lied. They all overspent. They all did whatever. But only one version is supposed to be heard. Try and put the other side out and you are biased on something that i don't exactly want.

Why were we ever given the choice if it is such a bad thing?
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,828
Captain Dart said:
You to. He still rants at me even since I did it.
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I don't rant at you. Just occasionally point out some of your miscomprehension. And you do take sneak peaks.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,829
Astute said:
Oh the irony.

This is what pisses me off with this thread.

They were all at it. They all lied. They all overspent. They all did whatever. But only one version is supposed to be heard. Try and put the other side out and you are biased on something that i don't exactly want.

Why were we ever given the choice if it is such a bad thing?
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are you trying to equate overspending with getting a foreign power involved in the referendum?
And it is now emerging that the secret services wanted permission to investigate banks a couple of years ago but were refused by May.
Are you seriously suggesting that that idiot Cameron wrongly spending public money on a leaflet is the equivalent to this?
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,830
Astute said:
Oh the irony.

This is what pisses me off with this thread.

They were all at it. They all lied. They all overspent. They all did whatever. But only one version is supposed to be heard. Try and put the other side out and you are biased on something that i don't exactly want.

Why were we ever given the choice if it is such a bad thing?
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Some made small overspending errors, and others are being investigated for millions of money which came through tax havens and maybe originated in foreign countries. There is a difference. Which foreign countries backed remain? Did their money result in overspend?

One side has been fined and the other is ongoing. I am surprised that you are not interested in the origin of foreign funds and the motives behind the foreign supporters.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,831
clint van damme said:
are you trying to equate overspending with getting a foreign power involved in the referendum?
And it is now emerging that the secret services wanted permission to investigate banks a couple of years ago but were refused by May.
Are you seriously suggesting that that idiot Cameron wrongly spending public money on a leaflet is the equivalent to this?
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Have we evidence or is it hearsay? Because most of this thread is hearsay with a bit of evidence thrown in.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,832
martcov said:
Some made small overspending errors, and others are being investigated for millions of money which came through tax havens and maybe originated in foreign countries. There is a difference. Which foreign countries backed remain? Did their money result in overspend?

One side has been fined and the other is ongoing. I am surprised that you are not interested in the origin of foreign funds and the motives behind the foreign supporters.
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Do you mean like Lord Sainsbury who gave millions to the remain side and to several parts of it to try and get it in unnoticed?

But no. I'm not supposed to mention that.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,833
Astute said:
Have we evidence or is it hearsay? Because most of this thread is hearsay with a bit of evidence thrown in.
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well it's a bit more than hearsay but true, he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.
But if anyone thinks Aaron Banks is an honest upstanding citizen I have some magic beans that they might be interested in buying.
 
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Astute

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,834
clint van damme said:
well it's a bit more than hearsay but true, he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.
But if anyone thinks Aaron Banks is an honest upstanding citizen I have some magic beans that they might be interested in buying.
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Have I said anyone is guilty or innocent?

Those found guilty on the remain side for overspend received money from Sainsbury. It isn't illegal to give the money over. But it was wrong to spend it.

And this was my point on hearsay. Talking about things that are illegal when they are not. But both sides spent too much. And personally I don't think it was illegal. But the wording should be unlawful.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,835
Astute said:
Have I said anyone is guilty or innocent?

Those found guilty on the remain side for overspend received money from Sainsbury. It isn't illegal to give the money over. But it was wrong to spend it.

And this was my point on hearsay. Talking about things that are illegal when they are not. But both sides spent too much. And personally I don't think it was illegal. But the wording should be unlawful.
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you're equating overspending with involving a foreign power in a UK referendum.
If you think they're on par I'll say no more on the matter, you're entitled to that opinion. I don't think many would agree though.
Especially as getting out of of the EU was supposed to be an end to foreign interference.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,836
another think about this Banks story, why is the Daily Mail the first to report it?
It's been behind him and Brexit from the off. Tinfoil hat time but mark my words, on the day that Cameron is supposedly talking about a return to politics and the Blairites have started their anti Corbyn antics again something strange is going on.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,837
clint van damme said:
you're equating overspending with involving a foreign power in a UK referendum.
If you think they're on par I'll say no more on the matter, you're entitled to that opinion. I don't think many would agree though.
Especially as getting out of of the EU was supposed to be an end to foreign interference.
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I asked if it is hearsay or if there is evidence. Nobody has answered. It went back onto leave spending too much. Just like remain did.

So what is the problem with preferring evidence to hearsay? There is so much bullshit from both sides that it is hard to believe anything without evidence. And that is evidence that can be substantiated.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,838
clint van damme said:
another think about this Banks story, why is the Daily Mail the first to report it?
It's been behind him and Brexit from the off. Tinfoil hat time but mark my words, on the day that Cameron is supposedly talking about a return to politics and the Blairites have started their anti Corbyn antics again something strange is going on.
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It is a sad time for British politics. None of them within touching distance of running the UK are worthy of it. And those who might be worthy of it that are lower down will be disliked by half of the population because they will have alienated half of the population because of Their stance on Brexit. All sides are ripping themselves apart.

This could leave the way open for yet another inept leader.
 
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Grappa

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,839
clint van damme said:
another think about this Banks story, why is the Daily Mail the first to report it?
It's been behind him and Brexit from the off. Tinfoil hat time but mark my words, on the day that Cameron is supposedly talking about a return to politics and the Blairites have started their anti Corbyn antics again something strange is going on.
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I think that's more that Paul Dacre's replacement Geordie Greig is getting his feet under the table.
 
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Grappa

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,840
Some interesting connections made in this thread:
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,841
clint van damme said:
another think about this Banks story, why is the Daily Mail the first to report it?
It's been behind him and Brexit from the off. Tinfoil hat time but mark my words, on the day that Cameron is supposedly talking about a return to politics and the Blairites have started their anti Corbyn antics again something strange is going on.
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Are they? I thought this had been talked about for months? All the CA stuff as well. Obviously the referral to the NCA was reported recently but the story as a whole has been developing pretty much since day one post referendum.

Also: Cameron/Blair/TheSlightlyLessGeekyMilliband/Soubry supergroup, you know it’s going to happen.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,842
shmmeee said:
Are they? I thought this had been talked about for months? All the CA stuff as well. Obviously the referral to the NCA was reported recently but the story as a whole has been developing pretty much since day one post referendum.

Also: Cameron/Blair/TheSlightlyLessGeekyMilliband/Soubry supergroup, you know it’s going to happen.
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they were the first ones I saw reporting that his case has been referred to the NCA, which I found strange given their previous support for him but as Grappa said, new editor so new approach perhaps?

As for your supergroup theory, that's sort of what I was hinting at.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,843
Grappa said:
Some interesting connections made in this thread:
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So just the usual. Twats on Twatter with an agenda with so called evidence not substantiated in any way. Yet it is supposed to be gospal.

I suppose you would be happy if I quoted twats on Twatter that are pro Brexit.

On the other hand.......
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,844
Astute said:
So just the usual. Twats on Twatter with an agenda with so called evidence not substantiated in any way. Yet it is supposed to be gospal.

I suppose you would be happy if I quoted twats on Twatter that are pro Brexit.

On the other hand.......
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now what are you on about? Banks case has been referred to the NCA in the last couple of days. That is a fact. It doesn't mean he will be found guilty but it is a significant development. It doesn't matter if it's reported on Twitter, the BBC or Sky.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,845
shmmeee said:
Are they? I thought this had been talked about for months? All the CA stuff as well. Obviously the referral to the NCA was reported recently but the story as a whole has been developing pretty much since day one post referendum.

Also: Cameron/Blair/TheSlightlyLessGeekyMilliband/Soubry supergroup, you know it’s going to happen.
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I can see a pro EU party starting up. They would have representatives from all parties join. And they might get the most votes as people have had enough of the crap from the present parties. And about half the population would like to be in the EU.
 

Astute

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,846
clint van damme said:
now what are you on about? Banks case has been referred to the NCA in the last couple of days. That is a fact. It doesn't mean he will be found guilty but it is a significant development. It doesn't matter if it's reported on Twitter, the BBC or Sky.
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So what do we KNOW that he has done? What part has he played? What evidence is there?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,847
Astute said:
So just the usual. Twats on Twatter with an agenda with so called evidence not substantiated in any way. Yet it is supposed to be gospal.

I suppose you would be happy if I quoted twats on Twatter that are pro Brexit.

On the other hand.......
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They’ve said the NCA are investigating. What are you going on about evidence for? No ones suggested that they have evidence they’re pointing out that the NCA are investigating. Which is a confirmed fact.

Are you suggesting that the NCA weren’t investigating until people on Twitter said that they were and they thought well if people on Twitter are saying we’re investigating we better investigate?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,848
Astute said:
So what do we KNOW that he has done? What part has he played? What evidence is there?
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There’s enough to get the NCA involved.
 
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Grappa

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,849
Astute said:
So just the usual. Twats on Twatter with an agenda with so called evidence not substantiated in any way. Yet it is supposed to be gospal.

I suppose you would be happy if I quoted twats on Twatter that are pro Brexit.

On the other hand.......
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Mate, this might be a little difficult to get your head around, but not everything is about you. I am not in a discussion with you and I can link whatever the fuck I want from wherever the fuck I want.

I get the impression that you have a somewhat over-inflated view of yourself. The master of balance who has not posted a single thing positive about the EU other than 'I voted to remain'. You are boring.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,850
Astute said:
So what do we KNOW that he has done? What part has he played? What evidence is there?
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It's been referred to the NCA, where it goes from here, time will tell, but I repeat, it's a significant development, what are you failing to grasp?
You have to be at the wind up!!
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,851
Astute said:
I asked if it is hearsay or if there is evidence. Nobody has answered. It went back onto leave spending too much. Just like remain did.

So what is the problem with preferring evidence to hearsay? There is so much bullshit from both sides that it is hard to believe anything without evidence. And that is evidence that can be substantiated.
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The electoral commission say that the accounts of his business do not show enough money to be able to fund this amount. He only has to show where he got the money, but up until now he hasn’t done that. Why do you think that is?
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,852
clint van damme said:
It's been referred to the NCA, where it goes from here, time will tell, but I repeat, it's a significant development, what are you failing to grasp?
You have to be at the wind up!!
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It’s not significant at all - he was not part of the official leave campaign and again the fact remains the government was allowed to send a leaflet to every house which cost every taxpayer (leave or remain) money - unlike anything banks did - and was full of untruths.

The Electoral commission is a blatant Pro EU organisation - this is a pretty cowardly and shameful act deliberately timed. It’s the kind of act you’d expect in Putins Russia not a democratic country.

It’s a significant development alright - but not in the way you believe. This is a serious attempt at derailing democracy
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,853
Grendel said:
It’s not significant at all - he was not part of the official leave campaign and again the fact remains the government was allowed to send a leaflet to every house which cost every taxpayer (leave or remain) money - unlike anything banks did - and was full of untruths.

The Electoral commission is a blatant Pro EU organisation - this is a pretty cowardly and shameful act deliberately timed. It’s the kind of act you’d expect in Putins Russia not a democratic country.

It’s a significant development alright - but not in the way you believe. This is a serious attempt at derailing democracy
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The NCA have decided to act on the information they have been given by th electoral commission, that's significant.
Seen as you're so concerned with democracy I'm sure you'll give the NCA your full backing to investigate the matter and clear it up one way or another.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,854
Grendel said:
It’s not significant at all - he was not part of the official leave campaign and again the fact remains the government was allowed to send a leaflet to every house which cost every taxpayer (leave or remain) money - unlike anything banks did - and was full of untruths.

The Electoral commission is a blatant Pro EU organisation - this is a pretty cowardly and shameful act deliberately timed. It’s the kind of act you’d expect in Putins Russia not a democratic country.

It’s a significant development alright - but not in the way you believe. This is a serious attempt at derailing democracy
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A foreign country potentially trying to influence political will in another country is insignificant?
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 2, 2018
  • #22,855
Astute said:
So just the usual. Twats on Twatter with an agenda with so called evidence not substantiated in any way. Yet it is supposed to be gospal.

I suppose you would be happy if I quoted twats on Twatter that are pro Brexit.

On the other hand.......
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You don’t need to. You are doing quite well yourself.
 
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