Astute
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So where did I say that?
So where did I say that?I see that you also seem to think that the break-up of the UK will be a price worth paying for Brexit.
It's the same personCouncil Dart. Council Jack is another poster he calls names. I think he was the first to ask astute if his name was supposed to be ironic as well, I can’t even claim that one myself. It’s just another example of him making out people are what he is himself while pretending he’s better than that.
But why does the right want to stay in the EU?As I've said, the 5Star are massively incompetent and Le Lega Nord are a bunch of racists. They will eventually back down on this. There is no appetite to leave the EU in Italy apart from amongst the hard right.
But why does the right want to stay in the EU?
It is all down to money. Italy doesn't have a pot to piss in. They need to be bailed out yet again. And it will be down to Germany to do so. The question is will they?
Fixing the Euro: The Time to Act Is Now - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International
But why does the right want to stay in the EU?
It is all down to money. Italy doesn't have a pot to piss in. They need to be bailed out yet again. And it will be down to Germany to do so. The question is will they?
Fixing the Euro: The Time to Act Is Now - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International
So where did I say that?
Oh those Italians......they shall probably change sides again, they have form for that !But why does the right want to stay in the EU?
It is all down to money. Italy doesn't have a pot to piss in. They need to be bailed out yet again. And it will be down to Germany to do so. The question is will they?
Fixing the Euro: The Time to Act Is Now - SPIEGEL ONLINE - International
Now come on chaps page 640 here has been hilarious, talk about frothing mouths........Grendel has had all your pants down.....quite funny really !
It was in reply to you quoting a post of mine.Unless you have 2 accounts on this forum, it wasn't in reply to your post.
Name calling, lying, distraction is his normal standard of debate when he is losing.
It was in reply to you quoting a post of mine.
Italy keeps getting loans it can't afford to pay back. Next best thing to a bail out. And it will most probably lead to a bailout needed.When was the last time Italy was bailed out?
It won't be Germany alone, which is why Austria have expressed concern about Italy's budget plans.
Apologies. Trying to work and keep up with this. Not easy when I am not allowed my phone on site.No it wasn't.
Just clicked on the show ignored comments bit. Half of me wants to unblock Mart so I can have a laugh.Losing? You were all over the place. You quoted a speech regarding Italy that showed the Eu controls and dictates market budget
You refused to answer a direct question and went on some bumbling rant about grumpy old men
You couldn’t answer my comment on bond yields and it’s linkage with Germany
You couldn’t comment on it’s downgraded rating and it’s implication
You refused to answer a question linking this to extremism and nationalism
You couldn’t when backed into a corner explain how it’s better a country in a volatile economic climate is better “helped” by the Eu bank than deploy typical fiscal and economic strategies which it’s restrained from doing
Instead you laughed at stupid old Brit’s, called some poster a Christian nut job and everyone else thick
Italy keeps getting loans it can't afford to pay back. Next best thing to a bail out. And it will most probably lead to a bailout needed.
So who can afford to give countless billions to Italy? Germany would have to bear the brunt of any bailout. If we are still in the EU there would be rules somewhere that means we would have to help. But if we are not then who would take our place?
Apologies. Trying to work and keep up with this. Not easy when I am not allowed my phone on site.
Yeah here is a couple:No. He was caught out yet again and reverted to name calling, lying and diverting.... which he always does when beaten. He couldn’t make any sensible points and ended up humiliating himself. Funny how you missed that. Any more jokes about foreigners lined up?
Just clicked on the show ignored comments bit. Half of me wants to unblock Mart so I can have a laugh.
Losing? You were all over the place. You quoted a speech regarding Italy that showed the Eu controls and dictates market budget
You refused to answer a direct question and went on some bumbling rant about grumpy old men
You couldn’t answer my comment on bond yields and it’s linkage with Germany
You couldn’t comment on it’s downgraded rating and it’s implication
You refused to answer a question linking this to extremism and nationalism
You couldn’t when backed into a corner explain how it’s better a country in a volatile economic climate is better “helped” by the Eu bank than deploy typical fiscal and economic strategies which it’s restrained from doing
Instead you laughed at stupid old Brit’s, called some poster a Christian nut job and everyone else thick
The problem is would the EU watch Italy go to the wall?Before the vote it was agreed that Eurozone members would not have to contribute in future, so if remain had won the UK wouldn't have contributed.
Fair play to you. Love Italy and the people. Always seem to get invited to a family do each time I go. And with the Italians there us always a family do.I'm serving my notice now, so can enjoy the comforts of a desktop computer for a change
I don't like pasta or pizza
Calling me out? Don't be silly.I knew you would. So I kept on calling you out.
Not in England. It is bland. But in Italy I can't get enough.GTFO
You're forgiven, in that case.Not in England. It is bland. But in Italy I can't get enough.
The problem is would the EU watch Italy go to the wall?
I don't think they would. So they would come up with the money. And where does the money come from?
Calling me out? Don't be silly.
I still think that I want us to stay in the EU. But I can see the problems. You try to make out that everything is OK. You make out that we must stay in the EU. And you don't care what crap you come out with. You must even know you contradict yourself.
Fair play to you. Love Italy and the people. Always seem to get invited to a family do each time I go. And with the Italians there us always a family do.
I don't like pasta or pizza but love it in Italy. And the Peroni.....Always drive there so I can bring back as much weight as I can carry.
9 years 1 month til I retire. Hoping to spend a few years exploring the South.
Not in England. It is bland. But in Italy I can't get enough.
Brighton is a bit far for me to go just for a meal though :smuggrin:There are loads of Italians in Brighton, there are restaurants where the food is that good you'd think you're actually in Italy.
Said the captain of the Titanic!I see more problems leaving. Staying is safer and problems can be worked on. Leaving solves nothing.
Now come on chaps page 640 here has been hilarious, talk about frothing mouths........Grendel has had all your pants down.....quite funny really !
Mart lives his in own delusional bubble.
He hilariously mocks the Brexiteers as living in the 70’s but urges greater decision making through centralism when modern thinking supports devolution of power.
He says I asked a question that was loaded. The question was can Italy set its own budget. The answer is NO they need permission from other countries to decide their fiscal and economic strategy. Fancy that - that’s really hip and modern.
Then there was a question i asked for an A or B answer as I assumed he had some numerate dyslexia. That was is such acts of denying a country’s elected government the power to make its own decisions result in greater desire for nationalism and a rise of the far right. Answer is A yes it does.
I’m still waiting for responses on the following:
Bond yield impact
Downgrading of credit impact
Crucially what the country would do in the event of an economic collapse when it clearly has no authority to act freely.
Mart says Europe are there to “help” - it’s the sort of “help” doctor shipman offered to his patients.
Send the boys round and tell them what they can and cannot do. What if course they cannot do is any fiscal strategy that requires borrowing what they feel they need.
It’s hilarious he pointed to an article that showed all you need to know about the capitalist club and why we need to leave.
What Mart cannot and never will get is that the club is the antithesis of normal democracy and independent thought. He won’t ever get it because of the fact he lives in a country which is top of the euro tree.
The decaying roots at the bottom he does not care about as they make his life even better as the elite can bung tariff free goods and destroy their business or produce their at massive labour cost reduction.
That’s classic centralist federalism. It’s classic far right dogma. The few control the many and the few reap the benefits.
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