Why is that?Call it a hunch, but something tells me you haven’t a fucking clue about international trade.
Which ones are they?you've been advocating walking away from dozens of free trade agreements for the entirety of this thread.
So where have I said no rules are kept?Are you saying we weren’t allowed a say in the EU? We helped make the rules of the EU, and they are being kept. That’s why we are having trouble having ou ccake and eating it. Don’t say no rules are kept. It’s crap. Rules are broken in every country in the world, and that is a crime or misdemeanour, and not allowed. There are constant investigations, sanctions and judgements against rule breaking. In the U.K. and the EU. There are people who get away with things they shouldn’t,such as Liam Fox, American business‘ representative in the U.K. government. Or, Selmayr/ Juncker in the EU. The EU is a far more advanced trading bloc than the TPP which hs not been ratified.
Tony mentioned Trump.What is your point? Smashing trade deals and starting trade wars is making the world more unstable? That was one of Cameron‘s arguments about leaving the EU making Europe more unstable and maybe ending back to European wars, as was the case for hundreds of years.
Would you like to point out where I have celebrated?Some of Canada’s concerns about joining the TPP
TPP: A Conservative deal that's bad for Canada | Canadian Labour Congress
TPP still a bad deal for Canadian workers, families, and democracy
Why Canada must reject the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)
And there’s hundreds of similar stories. You’ll forgive me if I don’t get the bunting out just yet.
you've been advocating walking away from dozens of free trade agreements for the entirety of this thread.
Why is it you throw all kinds of accusations at someone if they mention Trump in any way. But it is OK for you to talk about Trump being right for once when it helps with your next bit of UK bashing.
Which ones are they?
Would you like to point out where I have celebrated?
What I did say is it shows that countries want to have trade deals with us once we have left.
Starting with a blank piece of paper is what the EU should do.I’ll tell you what. Let’s start with a blank piece of paper. What will the benefit be of joining the TPP for the U.K.? Should be a simple enough question to answer.
Starting with a blank piece of paper is what the EU should do.
Yet you seem pissed off that the UK is in advanced talks with making a deal that we were supposed to take years to make if at all.
If you look back you will see it is what I have said from the very start.Apparently now leaving will mess up his life, you couldn't make it up.
Would you like to point out where I have said that TPP would be better than the EU?What is U.K. bashing? Pointing out that joining TPP wouldn’t be a better deal than we already have with the EU? The Japanese have said that it will mitigate some of the damage caused by Brexit. Some of the damage.....
New Zealand and Australia are quite strict on who they allow to live in their countries. I'm quite surprised if you agree with them.New Zealand also has concerns about how it will let foreign investors buy homes. How’s that going to help the housing crisis in the U.K.? It’s already a major problem in London without opening the door to a wider audience.
More like a classic quote from yourself. You know what I have said is right. So you come out with your normal line.Ha ha. Classic Astute. You crack me up.
A lame duck that the EU wants trade deals with the countries involved.What it shows is that a lame duck trading block that can’t get off the ground is desperate to make it look attractive to the other parties that have concerns about it. Funny that the invite come from the PM of one of the group rather than a joint statement from the group don’t you think?
Actually if you read up on it it’s not funny at all. If they can get the lame duck of the ground who do you think is set to be the major beneficiary of it? That’s right, Japan.
You know your long protracted argument about the EU only benefiting Germany and that being the reason Germany is keen to extend the EU? Transfer that argument to Japan and the TPP and you’ll be in the right ballpark.
So using that same logic explain why membership of the TPP is a benefit to the U.K.
I would like us to stay in the EU. But during the process of Brexit we have found out things about the EU that we didn't have a clue about. This has put major doubts in my mind. Which way will the EU go in next? There has been talk of an EU army. That is a bit worrying. Because we don't know how much we can trust those in charge of the EU.Out of interest Tony, why did you vote UKIP at the time; so by definition a staunch leave supporter?
Astute - you come across as a staunch leave voter with your clear mistrust (to say the least) of anything EU, and yet appear to have voted remain?
I don't want to enter the argument, but why are you both going at it hammer and tongs, when you have both found it within yourselves to change your minds over the last couple of years?
It is a deal that is being put forward. A few countries have ratified the deal. The others seem to be in agreement. So the talks are at an advanced stage.How's a casual remark been turned into the UK being in advanced talks to join TPP?
Then you go on about people twisting things and yourself only ever speaking 'the truth'.
If you look back you will see it is what I have said from the very start.
But as you also know you are only allowed one viewpoint. And that is we must stay in the EU whatever the cost.
You are not even allowed to mention anything that could be seen as being average to good for leaving.
It is a deal that is being put forward. A few countries have ratified the deal. The others seem to be in agreement. So the talks are at an advanced stage.
I would like us to stay in the EU. But during the process of Brexit we have found out things about the EU that we didn't have a clue about. This has put major doubts in my mind. Which way will the EU go in next? There has been talk of an EU army. That is a bit worrying. Because we don't know how much we can trust those in charge of the EU.
There is good and bad about being in the EU. But if you believed everything on here from certain people there is only good. And that is the problem with this thread. I end up getting into stupid arguments with those who only ever put one side forward. It isn't a debate.
A lame duck that the EU wants trade deals with the countries involved.
I would have said you couldn't make it up. But you have.
Would you like to point out where I have said that TPP would be better than the EU?
Of course you can't. But it looks good doesn't it. All your comments look good to you.
You know that is incorrect. Nothing unusual though.You have been asked repeatedly to show proven benefits of leave. You just return to Selmayr as your favourite fig leaf covering Brexit.
Why is the deal so crap if you don't know what it is?What is the deal being offered and when will it be presented to parliament or the public?
Twisting my point again I see.Actually, we have seen the disadvantages of leaving the EU more than good reasons for leaving, which is why you are constantly deflecting to Selmayr’s appointment - which most in the EU seem to agree with you upon. You refer to it as a stupid argument which you seem to like being involved in. Others are bored with it by now, but as you say it isn’t a debate when we are all of the opinion that it was a scam, sham and annoying. Now you are worried about an EU army because there was talk of it. For one thing it was talk, for the other a European defence force is now more necessary than it ever was as Trump has shown. Plus we had a veto on a European army so wouldn’t have been forced into it anyway.
Lame duck?Deals with individual countries as opposed to joining a lame duck. Don’t you understand that? I thought that was also what leave was all about. And not replacing the ECJ with another court thousands of miles away.
So where have I disagreed other than in your head?You are playing up an offer of help in avoiding some of the Brexit damage as a plus. It is a help in a crisis, but not exactly the sailing off into a glorious sunset as propagated by some. No substitute for the conditions we had with our neighbours. Wait until we have to deal with the Heritage Foundation through Trump and Fox.
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