Captain Dart
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No they are on point, he is identifying problems with the EU, which you and mart seem to be blind to for some reason.
No they are on point, he is identifying problems with the EU, which you and mart seem to be blind to for some reason.Pointing what out? The majority of your posts are a distraction from the point and usually go along the lines of what about Selmayr/Merkel/Junker (delete as appropriate).
No they are on point, he is identifying problems with the EU, which you and mart seem to be blind to for some reason.
No they are on point, he is identifying problems with the EU, which you and mart seem to be blind to for some reason.
No they are on point, he is identifying problems with the EU, which you and mart seem to be blind to for some reason.
Why don't you look back. The vast majority are questioning what is said by pro EU and anti Brexit. And mentioning why Brexit could be good in ways.
A few of you make out we need to stay in whatever. Nobody is saying we must leave whatever. That is the difference.
I have a busy life girls. Keep up with the back slapping and slagging the UK off. And then you have the defending of the EU however bent it is that it does. It seems to make you happy.
Why don't you look back. The vast majority are questioning what is said by pro EU and anti Brexit. And mentioning why Brexit could be good in ways.
A few of you make out we need to stay in whatever. Nobody is saying we must leave whatever. That is the difference.
I have a busy life girls. Keep up with the back slapping and slagging the UK off. And then you have the defending of the EU however bent it is that it does. It seems to make you happy.
You’re posting that like I’ve disagreed with you, I haven’t.
Do you think that a political party in power voting that animals don’t feel pain or are capable of emotions is going to be good or bad for animal welfare? By any stretch of the imagination it’s not an indication that more compassion is going to be given to animals is it? If you were wanting to do that you would want it more entrenched in law that animals are sentient beings not take that away from them.
Many European countries are listed as the worse for animal welfare
The Eu law is bollocks. It’s ignored and laughed at in practically every country.
The EU is not the problem. Brexit is, and the future of post Brexit Britain. The EU will continue to evolve. 27 countries will take a shared hit, but Britain is going it alone.
Again, I haven’t argued otherwise. You keep ignoring that a vote has taken place in this country that dismisses that animals are sentient beings. You’re putting political gain before your apparent morals on this subject. That’s not very moralistic at all. We’re leaving the EU in case you missed it. We have no grounds to dictate what happens in the EU as we’ve lost our voice as you wanted and voted. You do have a voice in U.K. politics though and given the way you’ve talked about animal rights in the past I would have thought that this action by the conservatives would more important to you than using a look over there tactic. But yet here we are. Try putting your morals first as you’ve demonstrated in the past and maybe I’ll take you seriously on this.
He is ignoring the subtle message that the powers that be in the EU NOT the 27 have deemed their cozy club (?) MUST be protected at all costs...even if their citizens pay a heavy price...similar arguments he has cast himself about those championing Brexit. There is also a chance it indicates no desire to reform in any way. Selmayr will set the agenda moving forward unless there is a dramatic shift in the EU elections. There will be no compromise except in the face of failure from him.Yet you normally ignore the good comments towards Brexit and champion every bad comment towards Brexit.
Do you think it makes you clever or thick?
Whether it crumbles or not is one for another day.evolve = slowly crumble
There has not been a vote to that effect Tony
He is ignoring the subtle message that the powers that be in the EU NOT the 27 have deemed their cozy club (?) MUST be protected at all costs...even if their citizens pay a heavy price...similar arguments he has cast himself about those championing Brexit. There is also a chance it indicates no desire to reform in any way. Selmayr will set the agenda moving forward unless there is a dramatic shift in the EU elections. There will be no compromise except in the face of failure from him.
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Whether it crumbles or not is one for another day.
It's the 'evolve' thing. The EU is hell bent on evolving into something that many, who care enough to go vote when the chance arose, do not agree with. They wish to evolve in a different direction they see as more favourable for the longer term good of the UK.
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evolve = slowly crumble
You clearly went to the same what’s going on in the country school as astute The Tories have voted that animals can't feel pain as part of the EU bill, marking the beginning of our anti-science Brexit
No Tony and Mart that has widely been dismissed as fake news as they did not vote at all. They are committed to creatimg separate legislation which will offer greater protection and exclude some of the vile practices adopted by the EU
Even CWF have welcomed the stance of the government on this one.
CIWF is one of the organisations that started the online campaign against this. Gove then made a statement in Parliament last year which CIWF welcomed. However since then this has happened Government must not drop the Sentience Bill | Compassion in World Farming
You seem very out of the loop on how this is progressing. Or maybe that should be regressing.
The nearer we get to Brexit, the more aggressive your posts become, you just need to accept defeat and your cliquey little club in Brussels will lose £10 billion a year soon so they better re evaluate their budgets and trim their costs !More crap. More Faragisms. Now certain people in the EU are protecting the cozy Brussels club. No evidence. Nothing drastic happened which proves that. Just Bazza spewing crap which he read in a crap newspaper or on a Brexit Twitter account. Selmayr is there to get things moving. Juncker promised wide ranging reforms and has got Selmayr to a position to drive the EU forward through Brexit and the non EU migration crisis after he himself has gone. People don’t doubt Selmayr’s work ethic, multi lingual capability, legal experience and knowledge of how the EU functions and his network of contacts. He was rushed into position, but he was well qualified anyway. The idea is that Selmayr succeeds. Brexit is a choice of the U.K. and it is up to the U.K. how that pans out. Latest rumour is that Selmayr wants the EU ambassador’s job in London. Which would satisfy his critics.
That article proves the government has not voted to remove animal sentience Tony - they have not had a vote to remove it. They have removed an aspect of legislation from the EU act. The government has repeatedly re-arfimmed its commitment on this issue when separate legislation is created. Gove is committed to this and subsequent announcements (a law which mandates CCTV in slaughterhouses and another to ban puppy farms as well as the banning of imports of dubious EU animal farming practices) confirms this stance
That article proves the government has not voted to remove animal sentience Tony - they have not had a vote to remove it. They have removed an aspect of legislation from the EU act. The government has repeatedly re-arfimmed its commitment on this issue when separate legislation is created. Gove is committed to this and subsequent announcements (a law which mandates CCTV in slaughterhouses and another to ban puppy farms as well as the banning of imports of dubious EU animal farming practices) confirms this stance
“Our Director of Campaigns, Emma Slawinski,said: “The British public have been told numerous times that animal welfare standards will be maintained or improved as we leave the EU. They will be dismayed to hear the suggestion that there is a delay in incorporating the sentience principal into UK law.
“The government must take account of the strength of public support on maintaining this important legal principle post-Brexit. We urge them to proceed with the full Bill."
Not sure Gove is as committed as you seem to think he is. CIWF are that concerned about his “commitment” they’ve started a petition on it. Here’s an article about it with a link to said petition. Animal welfare campaigners fear backtrack on pledge to ban live exports after Brexit
You can sign it while you’re there. Or not, if you’re so sure that you can take Gove at his word.
Gove backtracks on pledge to end exports of live animals for slaughter
Live exports are allowed as part of the Eu sentient definition Tony.
Live exports are allowed as part of the Eu sentient definition Tony.
But sentience is your issue Tony and live exports in unsustainable cages happens all across Europe. Anyway Tony surely according to you exporting anything - let alone livestock - will be virtually impossible post Brexit won’t it?
The nearer we get to Brexit, the more aggressive your posts become, you just need to accept defeat and your cliquey little club in Brussels will lose £10 billion a year soon so they better re evaluate their budgets and trim their costs !
"unscrupulous self interested spivs, dodgy businessmen and hedge fund owners or managers. They still spew the cliches as if they are true"
If you add unelected bureaucrats to that sentence you would be defining M.E.P's
You couldn't make this shit up, at least she his her skill as a mathematician to fall back on.........Watch: Diane Abbott’s BBC bias gaffe | Coffee House
Of course, so we can't just keep saying that anyone who voted for Brexit was an idiot because they believed lies told by the political elite, they all do it, on both sides. The vote leave was an absolute protest vote delivered by people who have long felt left behind and disconnected to the two major parties in this country, we can't keep allowing those, (who still can't get over the fact it happened), to get away with using this as a 'get out clause' that they are just stupid, mislead, racist, uneducated and thick. The political establishment got exactly what it deserved.Not much different British MPs and probaby MPs across the world.
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