skybluetony176
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Plenty of MEP’s have gone to jail for expense fraud. Just to prove that they’re equal to any and all political constitutions. Which is the point that you’re spectacularly missing.
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Yet again who goes to prison and who still gets a top job and keeps it?
Top defending of the EU though
Bollocks. He runs the show. You know he does. He directs the way that the EU takes it. And it has been to not negotiate with us.
Yes we voted to leave. But negotiating is a two way thing. And your love of the EU doesn't change this fact.
You are being less than honest as usual.
They said his appointment was wrong. So what will they do?
Yet again who goes to prison and who still gets a top job and keeps it?
Top defending of the EU though
Less honest than Juncker?
Do something wrong in the UK and you lose your job and even go to prison. Do it in the EU and you get a top job.
And you voted UKIP.
Just like you ignore what the EU does and still defend them
How about the rest of the jobs Germans have?
And how many top jobs has anyone from the UK ever had? How many Germans presently have a top job?
Of course you don't want to answer honestly. You never do.
This talk of a second referendum is very dangerous.
I can't believe anyone could honestly back this. I keep hearing 'opinions have changed', yet haven't heard a single leave voter actually say they've changed their mind.
It's democracy EU style. The more people that stamp their feet and demand another vote, the more they prove that others were right to question such an establishment.
It wouldn't be a people's vote. We've had that already. It would be a losers vote.
You are being less than honest as usual.
They said his appointment was wrong. So what will they do?[/QUOTE
Martin Selmayr
Head of Cabinet for Jean-Claude Juncker
EU president Jean-Claude Juncker’s right-hand man, Martin Selmayr, is well-placed to set the parameters of the Brexit negotiations. A professor of European law, Selmayr was appointed Juncker’s head of cabinet in 2014. There his responsibilities include overall management of the cabinet and legal and communications strategy. Fiercely competent, ruthless and abrasive, Selmayr is a staunch European federalist who believes that the UK has long obstructed European integration and that Brexit will promote European unity.
Selmayr is best known in Britain for his comment that the prospect of Boris Johnson as UK prime minister would be a “horror scenario”. Selmayr enjoys links to the German media and to Angela Merkel’s chief of staff Peter Altmaier, but some believe he may be taking too much of a political risk in confounding Germany’s leadership role in EU internal matters. Certainly, Germany has been keen to avoidthe Commission dominating the Brexit process for fear that hardliners Juncker and Selmayr would adopt a confrontational and uncompromising stance against the UK.
EU member-state governments were quick to block an attempt by Selmayr to appoint himself as the coordinator of Brexit negotiations for the European Council – a job that council president Donald Tusk gave to the Belgian Didier Seeuws. But Selmayr remains in an ideal position to shape the commission task-force once the exit clause is triggered by the UK.
by Patricia Hogwood, Reader in European Politics, University of Westminster
How does the EU fit into this? They have accepted the vote.
No they haven't, anymore than you have.
You both want it overturned.
Blaming immigrants?I wasn’t having a go at her for finding long overdue money to build houses I was having a go at her duplicity. Sorry that went over your head.
I see you’re back to blaming immigrants for the housing shortage. We’ll call that regression.
An MEP and not an MP.I would say that UKIP is just as corrupt, if not more so. My brother worked for an UKIP MEP as researcher, got knocked for his wages and, yes, the guy did end up in jail. What happened to Nicky Sinclair ( our UKIP MEP during the Ricoh Northampton crisis)? She had her fingers in the expenses till didn’t she?
And how many presently are German?I literally don’t know. I do know that Roy Jenkins headed the commission and we had the EU Foreign Minister ( forgot her name).
If remain won.....And YouGov say differently.....would we have another referendum to check the second one was correct?If remain won and we stayed in the EU, who would you class as the losers?
How does the EU fit into this? They have accepted the vote. The people who want a final say are UK voters. There is no guarantee that all 27 countries want us back anyway. It only takes one veto to reject us. Whether we can cancel article 50 and automatically stay in, is in the process of being legally tested.
So why not accept it and start negotiating?Selmayr said he is not a dreamer and Brexit will happen. He also said that only the British voters could change that. Merkel has accepted it.. everyone..
It is up to the British to reverse Brexit. I hope they do.
Blaming immigrants?
What a joke you are.
I suppose I am also blaming people for having kids.
So are you telling me that having an open door policy to anyone with an EU passport didn't make the housing crisis worse? Because that is what it sounds like.
This talk of a second referendum is very dangerous.
I can't believe anyone could honestly back this. I keep hearing 'opinions have changed', yet haven't heard a single leave voter actually say they've changed their mind.
It's democracy EU style. The more people that stamp their feet and demand another vote, the more they prove that others were right to question such an establishment.
It wouldn't be a people's vote. We've had that already. It would be a losers vote.
Blaming immigrants?
What a joke you are.
I suppose I am also blaming people for having kids.
So are you telling me that having an open door policy to anyone with an EU passport didn't make the housing crisis worse? Because that is what it sounds like.
So why not accept it and start negotiating?
If remain won.....And YouGov say differently.....would we have another referendum to check the second one was correct?
Just got confirmation of moving over to Verona just after Christmas, can't wait
Where was that?Plenty of MEP’s have gone to jail for expense fraud. Just to prove that they’re equal to any and all political constitutions. Which is the point that you’re spectacularly missing.
So everyone out of the 27 have said they don't want to negotiate?You claim that. 27 countries are sticking together. That’s their policy.
I have never said negotiating is not a two way thing, so why mention it?
And how many presently are German?
So what law did it bend to the limit?They said it bent the law to the limit, but didn’t break it. Yes it was wrong, but still stands. Let’s see what they say tomorrow. It will be more about it not happening again though.
In what way am I not being honest?
So everyone out of the 27 have said they don't want to negotiate?
So you have changed what you said about him now. OK.I gave you the YouGov figures of 53:47% remain as answer to the question „if“ there was a referendum today how would you vote.
If remain win a future referendum, then it will be because the younger voters voted for it. Every year that passes increases the remain vote as the young want a known future in Europe rather than booming Britain in 50 years time after it has recovered from being flooded by cheap ( less regulated ) products from emerging markets. The gap will grow and there will be no need to reconfirm the obvious.
We don’t all have our fortunes invested in emerging markets, otherwise I would be a fan of your idol Rees Mogg. Ask him why he invested in emerging markets and the EU as opposed to Brexit Britain.
So what law did it bend to the limit?
It broke all the rules and regulations.
Neither am I. Because they don't want to settle for anything less than us staying in the EU.No. They are all sticking together and asking for a workable proposal. Don’t hold your breath.
So explain to me how a law couldn't be broke if there is one governing the rules and regulations when all the rules and regulations were broke.4 points of maladministration to be exact. The Commission has not accepted some points and these will be discussed tomorrow.
So explain to me how I am blaming them for anything when all I am doing is stating a fact.Can’t say I’ve ever heard you blaming people having kids before. I have heard you blaming immigrants though. In fact you’ve just done it again.
I’ve made the point to you before and you’re probably going to ignore it again but it’s good practice to have infrastructure that matches your economy. We don’t have that and haven’t for decades due to governments not reinvesting the money we’ve earned of the back of growth correctly. Growth that’s happened in part thanks to an EU workforce. Farmers can provide accommodation for their EU workforce yet successive government have failed to do it for the rest of the economy. Hardly the EU’s fault and hardly the fault of the immigrants who have helped grow our economy. The government has let them down as much as the next taxpayer.
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