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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Astute

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  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,196
martcov said:
If you took his top job off him, and 2 enquiries have said that his appointment pushed the law to the limit, but didn’t break it, then he may have a claim of unfair dismissal. He is a member of the most powerful group through his CDU membership.

There would also be uproar. Has he personally committed a crime? Your links contain speculation that he granted favours, but is there proof?

The meeting on 25 is with the people responsible for staffing. Maybe someone can come up with concrete evidence.
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OK Mart. Enough of this law crap.

Show me where the EU has laws on what they do themselves. There isn't any. But there are rules and regulations. No law was broke because there isn't one. But every rule and regulation was broke. End of.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,197
martcov said:
Interesting that a former labour MP held Juncker’s job in the past. Some claim that UK people never get top EU jobs.
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Twisting the truth yet again Mart eh?

How unusual.

I said name all of the top positions that those from the UK have ever held in all the time of the EU. Then look at how many Germany hold right at this minute.

Yet you say there is nothing wrong with the system and it isn't leaning towards Germany.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,198
martcov said:
Gerard Batten UKIP. Stick to UKIP if you are for segregation in prisons.
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So Gerard Batten is a political party?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,199
Astute said:
And there is Mart jumping in as soon as he thinks someone is right and I am wrong for once.

No. That is all year. You are taking numbers from one month. And even after that one month it is still the lowest for 11 years.

And a big reason it has gone up this month? State pensions have risen 3%. So it goes on the latest months numbers.

But yeah let's make some sort of point that I don't understand the point you are trying to make.
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I was asking someone else a question and you jumped in to defend the tories.
To be fair, even though my point was correct you've looked at it more long term which is fair enough but tax receipts been down is nothing to do with increased pension spend and is worrying. Don't think it's a blip either but we'll see.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,200
Astute said:
Magic money tree?

Is this the same magic money tree that you say would pay for the million plus homes needed, hospitals, schools, roads, doctors and everything else that is needed for our booming population?

Either the magic money tree exists or it doesn't.
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I didn’t say that there wasn’t a magic money tree. It was May. I suggest that you direct your post at her and it may make some sense then. Oh, by the way she’s just proved my point again and found extra money for house building just last week. In fact if you look at her manifesto and then look at Labour’s what she’s done since the election is closer to Labour’s manifesto than her own.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,201
Astute said:
As you know he has been pulling the strings for a few years now. It is said (no proof) that he nominated Barnier as chief negotiator. He is proud of the names he gets called....the names you went off on one about until you found out he is proud of them. Brexit is being shaped by him. And what about the future of the EU with him in charge? It won't worry you as he is German. But I don't see a future of harmony ahead.

Leaving the SM will? Why state a guess as a true fact?
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Brexit is not being shaped by him. He has nothing to do with the Conservative party who are shaping Brexit. The 27 countries of the Union told May in Salzburg that her plan was not workable, not Selmayr.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,202
Astute said:
UKIP?
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That would be your choice. I just hope you’re not expecting them to be any more moralistic, less jobs for the boys, honest than any of the other political parties available on the ballot paper. You’re going to be disappointed if you are.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,203
Astute said:
So Gerard Batten is a political party?
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No, he is the head of UKIP. I said UKIP at first - and stick to UKIP.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,204
Astute said:
Twisting the truth yet again Mart eh?

How unusual.

I said name all of the top positions that those from the UK have ever held in all the time of the EU. Then look at how many Germany hold right at this minute.

Yet you say there is nothing wrong with the system and it isn't leaning towards Germany.
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Astute said:
As you know he has been pulling the strings for a few years now. It is said (no proof) that he nominated Barnier as chief negotiator. He is proud of the names he gets called....the names you went off on one about until you found out he is proud of them. Brexit is being shaped by him. And what about the future of the EU with him in charge? It won't worry you as he is German. But I don't see a future of harmony ahead.

Leaving the SM will? Why state a guess as a true fact?
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I don’t know that he has being pulling strings. He was Juncker’s Chief of Staff, but Juncker was in charge. It is speculation that he was pulling the strings.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,205
Astute said:
Magic money tree?

Is this the same magic money tree that you say would pay for the million plus homes needed, hospitals, schools, roads, doctors and everything else that is needed for our booming population?

Either the magic money tree exists or it doesn't.
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EU migrant workers contribute £2,300 more per year to UK than average British citizen, study reveals

Perhaps you need to look closer to home before scapegoating tax paying migrants like you've done previously.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,206
Astute said:
So Gerard Batten is a political party?
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Gerard Batten announced it.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,207
skybluetony176 said:
That would be your choice. I just hope you’re not expecting them to be any more moralistic, less jobs for the boys, honest than any of the other political parties available on the ballot paper. You’re going to be disappointed if you are.
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Their record til now shows them to be less than honest with money..
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,208
Astute said:
Twisting the truth yet again Mart eh?

How unusual.

I said name all of the top positions that those from the UK have ever held in all the time of the EU. Then look at how many Germany hold right at this minute.

Yet you say there is nothing wrong with the system and it isn't leaning towards Germany.
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Name one German who has had Juncker’s job? The last German who had Selmayr’s job was 50 years ago. Put your claim in perspective.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,209
Astute said:
OK Mart. Enough of this law crap.

Show me where the EU has laws on what they do themselves. There isn't any. But there are rules and regulations. No law was broke because there isn't one. But every rule and regulation was broke. End of.
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So the EU and is lawless? What do they do all day then?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,210
martcov said:
Gerard Batten announced it.
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I have to admit that this story passed me by so I’ve just looked it up. Pure Nazism. It’s not even a suggestion apparently, it’s in their interim manifesto.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,211
martcov said:
Their record til now shows them to be less than honest with money..
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It’s not even them. It’s this notion that British politics is a bastion for honesty and no corruption. Look at the cash for questions scandal, look at the MP’s expense scandal, look at the inventing jobs for family members scandal. You don’t have to look far to see that British politicians and politics is as bad as anything coming out of the EU.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,212
clint van damme said:
I was asking someone else a question and you jumped in to defend the tories.
To be fair, even though my point was correct you've looked at it more long term which is fair enough but tax receipts been down is nothing to do with increased pension spend and is worrying. Don't think it's a blip either but we'll see.
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Defending the Tories? Never have and never will.

But I will always defend the truth.

You took one months numbers. I took the numbers for the rest of the year. Nothing long term at all. And yes the single months number took into account the rise in the state pension.

Have never voted Tory and never will. They are morally bankrupt. The problem with Labour though is if it was down to them all the time we would be financially bankrupt.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,213
skybluetony176 said:
It’s not even them. It’s this notion that British politics is a bastion for honesty and no corruption. Look at the cash for questions scandal, look at the MP’s expense scandal, look at the inventing jobs for family members scandal. You don’t have to look far to see that British politicians and politics is as bad as anything coming out of the EU.
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UK MP's got sent to prison for defrauding the tax payer. Some even for less than 10k.

Yet Selmayr keeps his position.

And you still pretend not to get my point.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,214
Astute said:
UK MP's got sent to prison for defrauding the tax payer. Some even for less than 10k.

Yet Selmayr keeps his position.

And you still pretend not to get my point.
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I wasn’t aware that that Selmayr has defrauded the taxpayer. When did that happen?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,215
skybluetony176 said:
That would be your choice. I just hope you’re not expecting them to be any more moralistic, less jobs for the boys, honest than any of the other political parties available on the ballot paper. You’re going to be disappointed if you are.
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Is that why you left the party Tony?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,216
Grendel said:
Is that why you left the party Tony?
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Talking about dubious political parties... I see Viktor Orban has thanked his Tory MEP mates. With anti semite supporting Tories and extra prisons for people of a different religion proposed by UKIP, and Banks‘ „lousy Europeans“ comment, Post Brexit Britain looks like it could get very nasty. Just take a look at the motley crew announcing their alternative free trade deal.... enjoy..
 
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martcov

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  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,217
Astute said:
Both have confirmed that the appointment shouldn't have taken place. And again you agree on this.

So do you say that the EU commission ombudsman has no teeth, Selmayr is in charge.....or both.
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No they haven’t. Stop making things up. The Commission says they don’t accept some parts of the last report. Which is why they’re having talks tomorrow.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,218
skybluetony176 said:
I didn’t say that there wasn’t a magic money tree. It was May. I suggest that you direct your post at her and it may make some sense then. Oh, by the way she’s just proved my point again and found extra money for house building just last week. In fact if you look at her manifesto and then look at Labour’s what she’s done since the election is closer to Labour’s manifesto than her own.
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Have you seen how much it costs to put people up in temporary accommodation?

Money should have been found for housing many years ago. Would you like to disagree with this?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,219
martcov said:
Brexit is not being shaped by him. He has nothing to do with the Conservative party who are shaping Brexit. The 27 countries of the Union told May in Salzburg that her plan was not workable, not Selmayr.
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Bollocks. He runs the show. You know he does. He directs the way that the EU takes it. And it has been to not negotiate with us.

Yes we voted to leave. But negotiating is a two way thing. And your love of the EU doesn't change this fact.
 

Astute

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  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,220
skybluetony176 said:
That would be your choice. I just hope you’re not expecting them to be any more moralistic, less jobs for the boys, honest than any of the other political parties available on the ballot paper. You’re going to be disappointed if you are.
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Tony can I remind you something?

It was you that voted UKIP. I never had and never will.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,221
martcov said:
I don’t know that he has being pulling strings. He was Juncker’s Chief of Staff, but Juncker was in charge. It is speculation that he was pulling the strings.
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Of course anything that could be seen as bad is always speculation.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,222
Astute said:
Have you seen how much it costs to put people up in temporary accommodation?

Money should have been found for housing many years ago. Would you like to disagree with this?
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I’ve been the one pointing out for months now that successive governments have failed to invest in housing over a number of decades while you’ve been blaming immigration and the EU. I haven’t changed my tune so why would I disagree with this.

Nice to see you’re changing your tune though. We’ll call that progress.
 
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Astute

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  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,223
Sick Boy said:
EU migrant workers contribute £2,300 more per year to UK than average British citizen, study reveals

Perhaps you need to look closer to home before scapegoating tax paying migrants like you've done previously.
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And again a twisting of words. And an instant agreement by Mart. How unusual.

I asked the question how could we continue having an open door policy to anyone with an EU passport when we need over a million homes just to catch up with those presently needing one. Or how about the infrastructure that needs countless billions spending on it to catch up.

Then you have Tony having a go at May for raising money to build homes.

I suppose it is good as long as it is having a go at anyone with anything to do with Brexit.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,224
martcov said:
Their record til now shows them to be less than honest with money..
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Less honest than Juncker?

Do something wrong in the UK and you lose your job and even go to prison. Do it in the EU and you get a top job.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,225
Astute said:
And again a twisting of words. And an instant agreement by Mart. How unusual.

I asked the question how could we continue having an open door policy to anyone with an EU passport when we need over a million homes just to catch up with those presently needing one. Or how about the infrastructure that needs countless billions spending on it to catch up.

Then you have Tony having a go at May for raising money to build homes.

I suppose it is good as long as it is having a go at anyone with anything to do with Brexit.
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Blame the government for a lack of investment and them and the media for looking for easy targets.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,226
martcov said:
Name one German who has had Juncker’s job? The last German who had Selmayr’s job was 50 years ago. Put your claim in perspective.
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How about the rest of the jobs Germans have?

And how many top jobs has anyone from the UK ever had? How many Germans presently have a top job?

Of course you don't want to answer honestly. You never do.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,227
Astute said:
And again a twisting of words. And an instant agreement by Mart. How unusual.

I asked the question how could we continue having an open door policy to anyone with an EU passport when we need over a million homes just to catch up with those presently needing one. Or how about the infrastructure that needs countless billions spending on it to catch up.

Then you have Tony having a go at May for raising money to build homes.

I suppose it is good as long as it is having a go at anyone with anything to do with Brexit.
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I wasn’t having a go at her for finding long overdue money to build houses I was having a go at her duplicity. Sorry that went over your head.

I see you’re back to blaming immigrants for the housing shortage. We’ll call that regression.
 
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Astute

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  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,228
skybluetony176 said:
I have to admit that this story passed me by so I’ve just looked it up. Pure Nazism. It’s not even a suggestion apparently, it’s in their interim manifesto.
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And you voted UKIP.

Just like you ignore what the EU does and still defend them
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,229
skybluetony176 said:
It’s not even them. It’s this notion that British politics is a bastion for honesty and no corruption. Look at the cash for questions scandal, look at the MP’s expense scandal, look at the inventing jobs for family members scandal. You don’t have to look far to see that British politicians and politics is as bad as anything coming out of the EU.
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Yet again who goes to prison and who still gets a top job and keeps it?

Top defending of the EU though
 

Astute

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  • Sep 24, 2018
  • #20,230
martcov said:
No they haven’t. Stop making things up. The Commission says they don’t accept some parts of the last report. Which is why they’re having talks tomorrow.
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You are being less than honest as usual.

They said his appointment was wrong. So what will they do?
 
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