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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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wingy

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,821
Johnnythespider said:
So as May got just over 50% of the vote this time does she automatically qualify for the final 2, assuming that she isn't going to lose any votes.

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If she wins will it damage the Jimmy Choo brand?:-o
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,822
I see the BOE have removed the requirement for banks to hold a set %of Capital as security /safety net introduced post crash to allow more lending.
This hiatus will bring many twists and turns, speculators will exploit and clean up many times over the next few years and each statement given out and the information revealed simplifies there strategy IMO.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,823
Grendel said:
But they abstained - they didn't care - over 70% is a very high turnout by anyone's standards.
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I appreciate that, although 4 people at work didn't vote and regreted not voting and in hindsight wished they had.


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armybike

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,824
Johnnythespider said:
So as May got just over 50% of the vote this time does she automatically qualify for the final 2, assuming that she isn't going to lose any votes.
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Nope, it's reset, but as Stephen Crabb has dropped out there's just one vote left at this stage between May, Leadsom and Gove.

Gove will be out in the next round, in my opinion, so the final vote will be between May and Leadsom.

Fox and Crabb have put their support behind May, Gove will back Leadsom.

May is good for the won with her previous experience within government, but Leadsom was part of the Leave campaign so this might play to her advantage.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,825
stupot07 said:
I appreciate that, although 4 people at work didn't vote and regreted not voting and in hindsight wished they had.


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Still well over 1m more votes to find. And many who had voted remain have said that they would vote leave if there was a revote. And all for the reason of the British public being ignored after a vote.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,826
Astute said:
Still well over 1m more votes to find. And many who had voted remain have said that they would vote leave if there was a revote. And all for the reason of the British public being ignored after a vote.
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Nobodies ignoring
Just disagree!
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,827
wingy said:
Nobodies ignoring
Just disagree!
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If there was a revote they would have been ignored. And they haven't done much to make us trust them.

And more people are finally learning about the way the EU works. And those at the top don't want change. Juncker wants nothing but a federal state. That is why he was put into his position. That is why he refuses to let us have anything that would hurt his aim. We are either in or out of his federal state of the EU.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,828
You can only despair when you see some of the people responsible for bringing us a new PM.

The BBC visited a group of party members, declaring that these are the people who will decide the leadership election and there they were in striped blazers, with straw boaters, sipping champagne and probably eating caviar vol au vents.

Exactly the sort of people who can associate with the common man and understand what the country needs.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,829
covmark said:
Slightly amusing that sickboy accuses astute of being a petulant child, when a couple of posts earlier he announces a flounce from this "miserable island".
Get a grip man.

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It's not a 'flounce' I previously stated I would be leaving as I do not like the direction the country is heading in.
 

mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,830
Otis said:
You can only despair when you see some of the people responsible for bringing us a new PM.

The BBC visited a group of party members, declaring that these are the people who will decide the leadership election and there they were in striped blazers, with straw boaters, sipping champagne and probably eating caviar vol au vents.

Exactly the sort of people who can associate with the common man and understand what the country needs.
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Well that's the BBC for you.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,831
Astute said:
If there was a revote they would have been ignored. And they haven't done much to make us trust them.

And more people are finally learning about the way the EU works. And those at the top don't want change. Juncker wants nothing but a federal state. That is why he was put into his position. That is why he refuses to let us have anything that would hurt his aim. We are either in or out of his federal state of the EU.
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Juncker will go by the end of the year - IMI. The mood here is that Juncker is one reason for Brexit. The papers are saying that he breakfasts with Cognac and hint that he is probably pissed a lot of the time. Cameron was vehemently against his appointnent. People here want accountability and he is the example of why there should be accountability.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,832
Astute said:
Still well over 1m more votes to find. And many who had voted remain have said that they would vote leave if there was a revote. And all for the reason of the British public being ignored after a vote.
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Many more leavers would now vote remain.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,833
martcov said:
Juncker will go by the end of the year - IMI. The mood here is that Juncker is one reason for Brexit. The papers are saying that he breakfasts with Cognac and hint that he is probably pissed a lot of the time. Cameron was vehemently against his appointnent. People here want accountability and he is the example of why there should be accountability.
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He got all but two votes. One of those he didn't get was ours. And you are right. There are quite a few that don't agree with his thoughts and the way he is doing things. But it won't be easy to get rid of him. And he is power hungry so he won't want to leave. But the longer he stays in place the more that will become very unhappy with the EU.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,834
martcov said:
Many more leavers would now vote remain.
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After the first couple of days a lot would have changed to remain. But now that the apocalypse that we were threatened with can be seen not to happen you will have many that were scared about the leave vote are no longer scared. For instance we were told that if we voted leave interest rates would go up. Once the vote was done we hear they will be coming down. But the vast majority would vote the same.
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,835
Astute said:
He got all but two votes. One of those he didn't get was ours. And you are right. There are quite a few that don't agree with his thoughts and the way he is doing things. But it won't be easy to get rid of him. And he is power hungry so he won't want to leave. But the longer he stays in place the more that will become very unhappy with the EU.
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I expect them to put obstacles in place to make it more difficult or even impossible for countries to leave in the future.

There will also be calls for even closer political union and abolition of the nation states.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,836
dutchman said:
I expect them to put obstacles in place to make it more difficult or even impossible for countries to leave in the future.

There will also be calls for even closer political union and abolition of the nation states.
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That is why I think that Juncker will make it as hard for us as he can. Everything isn't as rosy in the EU as some would like you to believe. And if our leaving is a quick success many more will want to follow. It would leave Junckers federal EU dream in tatters. And some are starting to speak up against Juncker and in our favour.
 
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sbadey

Active Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,837
Sick Boy said:
It's not a 'flounce' I previously stated I would be leaving as I do not like the direction the country is heading in.
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I for one hope both you and your good lady reconsider and decide to stay Sick Boy as our country need good decent professionals in our country, and I would like to add an apology for any of our so called fellow citizens who have abused your girlfriend, such action in inexcusable in a modern society.

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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,838
Astute said:
After the first couple of days a lot would have changed to remain. But now that the apocalypse that we were threatened with can be seen not to happen you will have many that were scared about the leave vote are no longer scared. For instance we were told that if we voted leave interest rates would go up. Once the vote was done we hear they will be coming down. But the vast majority would vote the same.
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Counting your chickens there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36721689

There's a long way to go yet before the full effects of brexit are felt.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,839
martcov said:
Many more leavers would now vote remain.
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I actually think you are wrong. I think that many would vote leave who didn't as they acknowledge that a re vote is a breach of democracy. It would be a disgrace and it mustn't for the sake of the nations basic democratic fabric be allowed to happen.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,840
skybluetony176 said:
Counting your chickens there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36721689

There's a long way to go yet before the full effects of brexit are felt.
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exactly, we need to actually exit for a start!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,841
skybluetony176 said:
Counting your chickens there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36721689

There's a long way to go yet before the full effects of brexit are felt.
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Indeed. In a decades time everyone will wonder what all the scaremongering nonsense was about.
 
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Astute

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,842
skybluetony176 said:
Counting your chickens there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36721689

There's a long way to go yet before the full effects of brexit are felt.
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So Tescos and Morris ons are amongst the biggest fallers because of the continued price cuts that have been going on for ages. And share prices are a bit down over the world because we voted to leave the EU.

It is all doom I tell ya.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,843
Astute said:
So Tescos and Morris ons are amongst the biggest fallers because of the continued price cuts that have been going on for ages. And share prices are a bit down over the world because we voted to leave the EU.

It is all doom I tell ya.
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Non of which has anything to do with the value of the pound against the dollar.

Keep burying your head.
 
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Astute

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,844
skybluetony176 said:
Non of which has anything to do with the value of the pound against the dollar.

Keep burying your head.
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So why has the pound been losing against the dollar for years now and not just the last couple of weeks as you would like people to believe?
 
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Sumo the Micky Quinn

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,845
Kingokings204 said:
Voting papers?
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One ballot paper amongst other instructional papers and envelopes!
 

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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,846
Astute said:
So why has the pound been losing against the dollar for years now and not just the last couple of weeks as you would like people to believe?
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You should try looking at some data instead of looking for excuses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/currency/default.stm

The pound is at another 31 year low again today and is falling against almost every currency around the world. Oh, and the FTSE is on the slide again because of the strength (or lack thereof) of the pound against the dollar. The BOE can only make so many statements, releasing of money and relaxing of lending laws to try and keep the markets buoyant and they're running out of them. Unless the pound recovers against the dollar and quick the FTSE is in trouble.
 
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Monners

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,847
Otis said:
You can only despair when you see some of the people responsible for bringing us a new PM.

The BBC visited a group of party members, declaring that these are the people who will decide the leadership election and there they were in striped blazers, with straw boaters, sipping champagne and probably eating caviar vol au vents.

Exactly the sort of people who can associate with the common man and understand what the country needs.
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But at least they are British - so nothing wrong with this. I am fine with them deciding my future
 

Astute

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,848
skybluetony176 said:
You should try looking at some data instead of looking for excuses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business/market_data/currency/default.stm

The pound is at another 31 year low again today and is falling against almost every currency around the world. Oh, and the FTSE is on the slide again because of the strength (or lack thereof) of the pound against the dollar. The BOE can only make so many statements, releasing of money and relaxing of lending laws to try and keep the markets buoyant and they're running out of them. Unless the pound recovers against the dollar and quick the FTSE is in trouble.
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I will ask again. Although you won't want to answer. That is if you do understand international finances.

Why has the pound been falling for a lot of years against the dollar now? It was about $2.10 to the £ before it started falling away just in case you didn't know.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,849
Astute said:
I will ask again. Although you won't want to answer. That is if you do understand international finances.

Why has the pound been falling for a lot of years against the dollar now? It was about $2.10 to the £ before it started falling away just in case you didn't know.
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Again. If you look at the data you'll see that over the last 30 years the pounds natural position against the dollar is between 150-160. It's all there for you to see if you don't want to bury your head in the sand. Last time it was this low we were still dragging ourselves out of the doldrums that was the 70's. You also seem to be blissfully unaware as to the speed it dropped to this low from a more natural level of 150.
 
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Astute

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,850
skybluetony176 said:
Again. If you look at the data you'll see that over the last 30 years the pounds natural position against the dollar is between 150-160. It's all there for you to see if you don't want to bury your head in the sand. Last time it was this low we were still dragging ourselves out of the doldrums that was the 70's. You also seem to be blissfully unaware as to the speed it dropped to this low from a more natural level of 150.
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Me burying my head in the sand?

You just haven't got a clue. Or you are hoping that everyone else hasn't got a clue? I work for an American company. I own American shares. It has always been a volatile exchange rate. In 2009 it went as low as $1.36. Not much above where it is now. But in 2008 it was $2.03 and 2007 was $2.10 So it lost over 1/3 in two years. This was caused by the ones that were supposedly backing the remain side.

And you say that I am unaware on how quickly it has dropped below $1.50 It hasn't been $1.50 or above since last year. As I have constantly said it was already in decline before the vote. The vote didn't help. But the drop hasn't been as dramatic as you would like everyone to believe. And it is only 6c lower than in 2009.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,851
In the mid 80's 1 £ was nearly at parity with the $ at times, we didn't all become broke.
Year Average- Low------- High------
1986 1.467383 1.367755 1.548595
1985 1.297344 1.043817 1.498602
1984 1.336469 1.161055 1.492835
1983 1.516119 1.415568 1.626831
 
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Astute

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,852
Captain Dart said:
In the mid 80's 1 £ was nearly at parity with the $ at times, we didn't all become broke.
Year Average- Low------- High------
1986 1.467383 1.367755 1.548595
1985 1.297344 1.043817 1.498602
1984 1.336469 1.161055 1.492835
1983 1.516119 1.415568 1.626831
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And this is what some people don't understand. The more it drops the cheaper our goods become. And that is the problem with the Euro. The countries not doing as well are tied with the countries doing well. So they constantly need bailing out.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,853
Astute said:
And this is what some people don't understand. The more it drops the cheaper our goods become. And that is the problem with the Euro. The countries not doing as well are tied with the countries doing well. So they constantly need bailing out.
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This is a golden period - albeit short lived - for countries who export to the states and all other countries outside the Eurozone.
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,854
Grendel said:
This is a golden period - albeit short lived - for countries who export to the states and all other countries outside the Eurozone.
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Correct Grendel.
There are great export opportunities now for British manufacturers thanks to the drop in GBP.
And to illustrate the point, this afternoon I received the biggest orders for nearly four years from my Canadian customer.
There's a big world outside the Eurozone.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2016
  • #1,855
I work for a small independent British manufacturer who exports outside of the EU, specifically the Gulf states and here's the problem. As a country we no longer process raw materials in components. We buy it all in. Just today one of the major components that we have to buy in from outside the UK because it's simply not processed and manufactured in the UK anymore so has to imported went up 5%. We're expecting other raw materials to follow suit so it really is going to be swings and roundabouts. Only in the meantime as consumers everything from food to fuel is going to go up so from where I'm sitting the export thing is going to be offset by the cost of importing, so no gain and then it's going to cost me more to get to work, feed my family and probably heat and light my house this winter.
 
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