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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (19 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Moff

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,786
martcov said:
Well, there is a growing sense that there may yet be a compromise... Blair reappeared and the the Austrians have suggested Britain remain in some form... So, it is still up in the air..
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I would have thought Blair would be keeping his head down with the Chilcott report on the horizon, but no President Blair reappears when there is the chance to try to make himself some cash or put his name in the press, the latter being the case here (he is probably hawking his story for pots of cash at the same time)

At the moment I am not sure what is for the best, but I know that putting that toxic warmonger near anything is bound to tarnish its name.
 
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armybike

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,787
Kingokings204 said:
Yes but we will be leaving the eu just no one knows when.
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Incorrect. It's not a certainty that we'll leave.
 
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armybike

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,788
Astute said:
And who said any different?

So the change in exchange rates was nothing to do with the leave vote as article 50 hasn't been invoked? No. It is just yet someone else twisting what is going on to suit their agenda.
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The crash in the markets was an immediate response to the indication that the Leave vote could win.

When did it balance out again? After Cameron said he wouldn't invoke A50 and would remain in post until Oct.

Nothing to do with twisting what is going on.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,789
the longer it goes without article 50 been invoked I think the less likely it is that it will happen.

The whole thing has been a complete farce.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,790
martcov said:
Well, there is a growing sense that there may yet be a compromise... Blair reappeared and the the Austrians have suggested Britain remain in some form... So, it is still up in the air..
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Well every potential Tory leader have said they will definitely invoke the clause and will have ministers fully dedicated to doing so.
The opposition are complaining it should be done with immediate effect.
So who in parliament actually opposes other than the Scottish rabble and the Lib Dems who'd whore themselves out to anyone if it got some votes.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,791
All I'm still seeing is '52% of the population are racist and xenophobic pricks.'

52% of the people saying that didn't know what the word xenophobic meant before June 23rd.

This country will not fall apart because of Brexit, but because of the behaviour and attitudes of people as a result of it.
 
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armybike

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,792
clint van damme said:
the longer it goes without article 50 been invoked I think the less likely it is that it will happen.

The whole thing has been a complete farce.
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Yep, the fact there's talk of it being put off until next year just demonstrates that it's seen as a poisoned chalice.

It could be the best thing that's ever happened to the country, but equally it could totally screw everything up.

However, it's impossible to predict which way it'd end up.

Personally I think it could be used as a bargaining chip.

The new leader could present a "Give Us More Consessions or We'll Press the A50 button" to the EU.

Yes they may tell us to go boil our heads, but then again it might be the shake up the whole process needs.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,793
armybike said:
Yep, the fact there's talk of it being put off until next year just demonstrates that it's seen as a poisoned chalice.

It could be the best thing that's ever happened to the country, but equally it could totally screw everything up.

However, it's impossible to predict which way it'd end up.

Personally I think it could be used as a bargaining chip.

The new leader could present a "Give Us More Consessions or We'll Press the A50 button" to the EU.

Yes they may tell us to go boil our heads, but then again it might be the shake up the whole process needs.
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I think the best thing that could happen is we either stay in in some capacity or the whole thing falls apart.

If we're out and they play hard ball, i.e take away the Citys European passport then we could be in trouble.

However, there are some big institutions that don't want their goverments to play hard ball approach, for example, the BDI, (equivalent of the CBI), in Germany, And they'll be at loggerheads with Merkel if she takes that approach.
 
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mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,794
On radio 4 this morning, hate crime reports have increased by 20% since the referendum. The officer talking said that some of that will be reporting incidents that would not usually be reported but he suspects that there is some increase in crime. I doubt this increase is new people - it's more likely to be the same old morons who feel more empowered.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,795
martcov said:
Well, there is a growing sense that there may yet be a compromise... Blair reappeared and the the Austrians have suggested Britain remain in some form... So, it is still up in the air..
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Juncker has already said out is out. He also said no cherry picking the good parts and dropping the bad parts. But on the other hand if we leave I can see the EU falling to bits. The only thing that might save it is if we have a bad time leaving. Other countries wouldn't be as keen to leave. So that would be Juncker as he says not giving an inch on negotiations. That means we would leave 100%. Otherwise parliament would be going against the electorate. And that could be dangerous with the feeling of a lot of people who voted.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,796
mrtrench said:
On radio 4 this morning, hate crime reports have increased by 20% since the referendum. The officer talking said that some of that will be reporting incidents that would not usually be reported but he suspects that there is some increase in crime. I doubt this increase is new people - it's more likely to be the same old morons who feel more empowered.
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The same old morons that cause so much racial trouble. But when they look into their ancestors they find that only a few generations ago that they were immigrants. Yet they still see themselves as English and hide their families past.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,797
clint van damme said:
I think the best thing that could happen is we either stay in in some capacity or the whole thing falls apart.

If we're out and they play hard ball, i.e take away the Citys European passport then we could be in trouble.

However, there are some big institutions that don't want their goverments to play hard ball approach, for example, the BDI, (equivalent of the CBI), in Germany, And they'll be at loggerheads with Merkel if she takes that approach.
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I fully agree as long as it falls apart because we are offered a lot of what we want to stay.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,798
armybike said:
Incorrect. It's not a certainty that we'll leave.
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I know you don't like it but we will leave.
 
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armybike

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,799
Kingokings204 said:
I know you don't like it but we will leave.
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There's no certainty of it happening.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,800
Grendel said:
Well every potential Tory leader have said they will definitely invoke the clause and will have ministers fully dedicated to doing so.
The opposition are complaining it should be done with immediate effect.
So who in parliament actually opposes other than the Scottish rabble and the Lib Dems who'd whore themselves out to anyone if it got some votes.
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Being as two of the biggest proponents of the whole thing have legged it, anything is possible. Just because people say they will do something, it doesn't mean they will.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,801
Astute said:
The same old morons that cause so much racial trouble. But when they look into their ancestors they find that only a few generations ago that they were immigrants. Yet they still see themselves as English and hide their families past.
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You Talking about the Hugenot Farage?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,802
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
All I'm still seeing is '52% of the population are racist and xenophobic pricks.'

52% of the people saying that didn't know what the word xenophobic meant before June 23rd.

This country will not fall apart because of Brexit, but because of the behaviour and attitudes of people as a result of it.
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Brexit changed the behaviour and attitudes of people, that's why the country is split. E.g. I have never had an argument with Astute before ..
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,803
martcov said:
Dustman says "the Scots know their place".... When it comes to "one size doesn't fit all" ( Astute's alibi economic non race argument ) as regards the UK.
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I don't know who this "Dustman" is but I believe it was Kingokings204 who made those statements, not me. I've always had the utmost respect for the Scots and whatever decision they make.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,804
dutchman said:
I don't know who this "Dustman" is but I believe it was Kingokings204 who made those statements, not me. I've always had the utmost respect for the Scots and whatever decision they make.
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Eastwood's Dustman
 
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dutchman

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,805
martcov said:
Eastwood's Dustman
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Okay, thanks for clearing that one up.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,806
dutchman said:
I don't know who this "Dustman" is but I believe it was Kingokings204 who made those statements, not me. I've always had the utmost respect for the Scots and whatever decision they make.
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I said the scots had a referendum and should abide the result as it was a uk vote.

I then went on to say if they want another vote to leave the uk then fine by me.

But if it's 52-48 to leave the uk we need to vote again.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,807
Moff said:
I would have thought Blair would be keeping his head down with the Chilcott report on the horizon, but no President Blair reappears when there is the chance to try to make himself some cash or put his name in the press, the latter being the case here (he is probably hawking his story for pots of cash at the same time)

At the moment I am not sure what is for the best, but I know that putting that toxic warmonger near anything is bound to tarnish its name.
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It's a diversion tactic. If people are talking about brexit they're not talking about Chilcott. It's a good day to bury bad news and all that.
 
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Sumo the Micky Quinn

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,808
Kingokings204 said:
Also where were the others who wanted to remain apparently but didn't vote?
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I still haven't received my voting papers from North Warwickshire Borough Council sent out on May 23rd.

My Wife received her voting papers on Friday 24th - sent on the same day.
 

Sumo the Micky Quinn

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,809
Moff said:
So what is going on Sick Boy? Are you basing it all on your own personal experience and not anyone else's?

I have yet to meet anyone that thinks there has been a new law after the referendum. I am yet to meet anyone who thinks anyone who has moved here from the EU should leave, and I have yet to meet anyone who has been subjected to any abuse. We each have different experiences, but don't tar everyone with the same brush just because you have experienced something different.

Before you attack me on the fact of where your partner is from and the abuse that she has received, which I think is abhorrent, take a step back and consider you know nothing of my back ground, and the fact that I have been subjected to such abuse in the past, but nothing, not one thing since the referendum was ever spoken about.

We all have different experiences but it doesn't mean, that all or most from one group are ignorant or ill informed.
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You haven't met my brother-in-law. Usual voter of the BNP. And proud of it he says.
 

Astute

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,810
martcov said:
Brexit changed the behaviour and attitudes of people, that's why the country is split. E.g. I have never had an argument with Astute before ..
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....and my behaviour and attitude is the same as before.....

It certainly isn't me throwing insults at anyone because of the way they voted. I find it hard to believe how many people in the UK that are acting childish because of the way the vote went. Grown adults that have forgotten how to act like one.
 
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armybike

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,811
 

Johnnythespider

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,812
armybike said:
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So how does this work, do they whittle it down to 2 and then the members vote ?

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armybike

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,813
Johnnythespider said:
So how does this work, do they whittle it down to 2 and then the members vote ?
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Yep, another vote on Thurs and then Tues of next week and then full vote re final two in Sept.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,814
armybike said:
Yep, another vote on Thurs and then Tues of next week and then full vote re final two in Sept.[/QUOTE
Astute said:
....and my behaviour and attitude is the same as before.....

It certainly isn't me throwing insults at anyone because of the way they voted. I find it hard to believe how many people in the UK that are acting childish because of the way the vote went. Grown adults that have forgotten how to act like one.
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Maybe it is because the vote was so close. It is such an important decision and has been manipulated by people such as Farage and Johnson who have legged it instead of following it through. Half ( or just under ) have not fallen for this crap. Even people who don't like the EU ( I want major reforms ) do not want to go into an uncertain future. The protagonists have got out quick - a bad sign.
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wingy

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,815
Astute said:
Juncker has already said out is out. He also said no cherry picking the good parts and dropping the bad parts. But on the other hand if we leave I can see the EU falling to bits. The only thing that might save it is if we have a bad time leaving. Other countries wouldn't be as keen to leave. So that would be Juncker as he says not giving an inch on negotiations. That means we would leave 100%. Otherwise parliament would be going against the electorate. And that could be dangerous with the feeling of a lot of people who voted.
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And vice#versa when there is only 4% difference between the two positions.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,816
Crabb has quit and advocates backing May.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,817
wingy said:
And vice#versa when there is only 4% difference between the two positions.
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And 30% who didn't vote either way.

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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,818
stupot07 said:
And 30% who didn't vote either way.

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But they abstained - they didn't care - over 70% is a very high turnout by anyone's standards.
 
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Johnnythespider

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,819
armybike said:
Yep, another vote on Thurs and then Tues of next week and then full vote re final two in Sept.
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So as May got just over 50% of the vote this time does she automatically qualify for the final 2, assuming that she isn't going to lose any votes.

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Kingokings204

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  • Jul 5, 2016
  • #1,820
Sumo the Micky Quinn said:
I still haven't received my voting papers from North Warwickshire Borough Council sent out on May 23rd.

My Wife received her voting papers on Friday 24th - sent on the same day.
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Voting papers?
 
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