This is the sort of nonesense the EU excels at imo...
11 governments ask EU to help hide their air pollution failure
Set rules or targets, not met...adjust as required to fit
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Which is why May has been going round the heads of government to cut Barnier out.
It also highlights another deep problem in the UK, Elizabeth II isn't elected, she has no real power, even Theresa May is a compromise candidate.
There is no real democracy in the UK its all a big fudge to allow the Tories & Labour to impose their will.
PS Mart, don't bother replying, I have you on ignore.
This is the sort of nonesense the EU excels at imo...
11 governments ask EU to help hide their air pollution failure
Set rules or targets, not met...adjust as required to fit
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How do suggest the EU punishes sovereign states? There will be uproar from Brexiteers if the commission sanctions the UK for failing to reach targets. You know the excuses off by heart. Eurocrats. Unelected old men interfering in our country. More EU red tape. Sovereignty. Making our own laws. Etc etc....
Whose fault was it for the country being in the shitter before we joined this organisation?
Brexit: An evolution of deceit & dissembling.
1. "They need us more than we need them."
2. "It should be the easiest deal in human history."
3. "No deal is better than a bad deal."
4. "They have to believe we'll walk away."
5. "Shit. They believed us. We're screwed. Blame them."
So you have your version of leave. How about your version of remain?Brexit: An evolution of deceit & dissembling.
1. "They need us more than we need them."
2. "It should be the easiest deal in human history."
3. "No deal is better than a bad deal."
4. "They have to believe we'll walk away."
5. "Shit. They believed us. We're screwed. Blame them."
Of course he doesn't have to be elected. Just the same as Selmayr didn't need to be elected. But by their own rules and regulations he should have been elected.I will reply anyway. Barnier is an appointed negotiator. He doesn’t have to be elected. All 27 heads of government and all MEPs are elected. Juncker was elected by the Council and confirmed by the MEPs.
Oli Robbins, the one negotiating on our behalf on May‘s instructions wasn’t elected.
May has been going round the heads of government, but we know of no major success. Hague has blamed Macron accusing him of being stubborn. Barnier has written an open letter explaining that he represents the 27 and that they have all agreed to his line. No one has denied this.
Yes I did...and the point I am making is that I reckon the EU will accomodate it, thereby making the whole thing pointless from the startDid you actually read the article? Or the headline for that matter. It’s governments (including our) that are requesting that targets be retrospectively changed as they have failed to meet them having previously agreed to them. It’s not the EU driving this, it’s the sovereign governments of individual countries that have failed and now trying to drive the change.
Which begs the question - why bother? If it is worth doing do it properly & yes sanction them!How do suggest the EU punishes sovereign states? There will be uproar from Brexiteers if the commission sanctions the UK for failing to reach targets. You know the excuses off by heart. Eurocrats. Unelected old men interfering in our country. More EU red tape. Sovereignty. Making our own laws. Etc etc....
Which begs the question - why bother? If it is worth doing do it properly & yes sanction them!
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Of course he doesn't have to be elected. Just the same as Selmayr didn't need to be elected. But by their own rules and regulations he should have been elected.
The problem that you have is the vast majority in the EU were against him being slotted into his position. They have had enough of the way they are ruled. They can't remove him. It is a job for life. But they are now speaking out on what they want. It put Barnier and the others that have been slotted into their positions on the spot. They can't keep up with the pretence of everyone being happy with the way that they are dealing with our exit. The cat is out of the bag.
Or they could ignore everyone and risk the EU tearing itself apart. Even Barnier said about doing what is best for the EU.
But of course we should continue saying how bad it will be for us and that the EU doesn't need us.
Research should be done before the rules are set. It isn't any sudden finding that diesel is a polluter to anyone that has walked by a truck, now is it?So you want the EU to sanction the UK. Despite the argument that diesel has now been proved to make the targets not possible ( according to the UK )?
Research should be done before the rules are set. It isn't any sudden finding that diesel is a polluter to anyone that has walked by a truck, now is it?
Plus...don't single out the UK here...you might easily be mistaken as being what many already suspect you to be!
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Trying to change history already or are you just wording it very well?Selmayr was appointed as a political civil servant from the conservative faction, Juncker’s faction, which has a majority ( Edit: the largest group) in the parliament. He is the highest of the EU staff in the EU civil service.
Of course he won't mention that two of the other countries are Germany and France....Research should be done before the rules are set. It isn't any sudden finding that diesel is a polluter to anyone that has walked by a truck, now is it?
Plus...don't single out the UK here...you might easily be mistaken as being what many already suspect you to be!
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Would that be the GERMAN companies by any chance.........I didn’t single the UK out. I said that the Brexiteers wouldn’t like being sanctioned and you said „sanction them“. The countries include the UK. Their argument is that the full effects of diesel were not known. One reason being that the car manufacturers manipulated tests. Seems like a good point.
Yes I did...and the point I am making is that I reckon the EU will accomodate it, thereby making the whole thing pointless from the start
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What has the emission scandal - a grotesque abuse by German motor companies got to do with Eu regulations?
Would that be the GERMAN companies by any chance.........
So what has the EU done so far?I presume so.
I suppose it is our fault that we have millions of cars on our roads that were made with them electronically cheating tests for emissions.So you’d prefer it if the EU didn’t accommodate these countries requests and come down on them with the full force that they could use instead?
The argument being that diesel is causing more damage than was known at the time the EU targets were set. The aims should be set higher to allow for this. ( not necessarily my view ), but what was quoted in the article.
What has the EU done?Targets are set by most countries - that’s why one German is spending 7 years on a US penitentiary
What has the EU done?
I suppose it is our fault that we have millions of cars on our roads that were made with them electronically cheating tests for emissions.
Basically you are making up what you say I have said as usual.So basically you’re saying that it’s right that the EU support the governments who are asking for the help but you’re going to bitch about the EU doing it anyway.
Targets are set by most countries - that’s why one German is spending 7 years on a US penitentiary
Basically you are making up what you say I have said as usual.
Strangely enough those who support the EU whatever happens only mentioned the UK. No mention of Germany at all. And no mention about the masses of pollution caused by illegally falsifying tests. And just words from the EU.
If boundaries are set they should be aimed at. If targets are missed it should be looked into. And if some of the blame can come down to a certain country then it should be looked into in more fine detail. It shouldn't be ignored just because it is Germany.
The article was about the EU rules regarding targets.
But every country has targets and every country have laws of prosecution.
Just a shame for you it’s your adopted country that’s the one that’s treating consumers like shit.
Bit embarrassing really
Back to the question I gave you instead of changing the subject.Germany is one of 11 countries asking for a change in targeting. Britain is another. The criticism from Bazza was that they should all be sanctioned. Britain is leaving because of EU interference in „our sovereignty“. I asked Bazza about Britain because he is one criticizing the EU for being too soft. I asked how they should punish Britain as Britain is leaving and complaining about the EU. I pointed out that this is exactly what Brexiteers complain about. He is asking for the EU to ignore the Brexiteers and to ignore Britain’s arguments and sanction them. I would prefer the EU first look at the arguments and then decide.
Germany is one of eleven. What makes you think that Germany ( the state ) is not protecting consumers? The Diesel Affair is ongoing. Apart from the consumers being ripped off, the consumers paid less road tax based on CO2 Emissions. The Finanzministerium is not happy at that.
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