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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (4 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,536
Astute said:
But they said about how pissed off the vast majority of the EU is. Yet you say they are not.

So who is lying?
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I haven’t counted and I don’t know how many are very pissed off or just annoyed. I have not defended the method of appointment, but from what we know, he seems to be qualified candidate.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,537
martcov said:
The Daily Mail is biased to the right and leave campaign. Some of it‘s articles are aimed at far right sentiment.
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So what about the Guardian and FT?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,538
Astute said:
WOW.

He is intelligent as he got a job in the EU that nobody knew was available. Nobody even knew he was in the running for it. The only person that knew was Juncker. And even he was shocked on how he got it.

But it is OK with you as he is intelligent.
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What a deduction... I don’t even need to comment... you just tell me what I think..
 

Astute

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,539
martcov said:
I haven’t counted and I don’t know how many are very pissed off or just annoyed. I have not defended the method of appointment, but from what we know, he seems to be qualified candidate.
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Qualified in what way?

Even Merkel isn't happy. Or at least she made out so.

So why is nobody asking me why I am not happy with the EU this evening. Because they were asking me this morning.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,540
Grendel said:
Which is a rag? Why?
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Because it has turned to sensationalism and is taking a hard leave line. Leave won, why the heated up rhetoric? Or do they see Brexit being an almighty cock up and want to divert the heat to the EU?
 

Astute

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,541
martcov said:
What a deduction... I don’t even need to comment... you just tell me what I think..
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You are the only one I can find that thinks he is the right person for the job. Can't find anyone in the EU that is happy.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,542
Astute said:
Qualified in what way?

Even Merkel isn't happy. Or at least she made out so.

So why is nobody asking me why I am not happy with the EU this evening. Because they were asking me this morning.
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The Telegraph actually told you between the „German“, „NAZI grandfather“ etc..
 

Astute

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,543
martcov said:
Because it has turned to sensationalism and is taking a hard leave line. Leave won, why the heated up rhetoric? Or do they see Brexit being an almighty cock up and want to divert the heat to the EU?
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Divert the heat?

So the vast majority of the people in the EU are pissed off just because they want to take the heat off Brexit?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,544
Grendel said:
Tony I’m quoting Martfacts here

I know every time he likes one of your posts you get a little semi but these are Martfacts

Oh and Tony please you must say NAZIS in block caps or Mart might be upset with you.

Oh and Tony your original point was which far right owners supported remain. Are you saying the Group that own these newspapers are not far right as Martcov states?

Is that correct Tony?
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As for Grendelfacts, I never said that the Mail was a Nazi rag. The Telegraph brought up the subject of Nazis when talking about a German EU official. Why?

I said the Telegraph is now a leave rag.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,545
Astute said:
Divert the heat?

So the vast majority of the people in the EU are pissed off just because they want to take the heat off Brexit?
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No. We don’t know if the vast majority are or not. We do know that Telegraph is getting more pro leave as Brexit falters.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,546
martcov said:
The Telegraph actually told you between the „German“, „NAZI grandfather“ etc..
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Martin Selmayr – the EU’s puppet master secures his future

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/martin-selmayr-busted-by-wikipedia-for-editing-his-own-page/

The unmasking of the overrated Martin Selmayr | Eamonn Fitzgerald: Rainy Day
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,547
Grendel said:
Hello Mart - can you explain why Mentioned NAZI grandfather as Tony and myself have a different interpretation? Also can you clarify who is Monster?

At the same time can you advise if you think the Mail is a far right publication as Tony can’t confirm this for you?
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The Telegraph mentioned the Nazi grandfather bit. You seem to be protecting the Telegraph, maybe you could explain what that has to do with his appointment and why the Telegraph thinks it is relevant?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,548
Grendel said:
Tony I’m quoting Martfacts here

I know every time he likes one of your posts you get a little semi but these are Martfacts

Oh and Tony please you must say NAZIS in block caps or Mart might be upset with you.

Oh and Tony your original point was which far right owners supported remain. Are you saying the Group that own these newspapers are not far right as Martcov states?

Is that correct Tony?
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Sounds more like you’re making your own facts up based on something Mart said.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,549
martcov said:
The Telegraph mentioned the Nazi grandfather bit. You seem to be protecting the Telegraph, maybe you could explain what that has to do with his appointment and why the Telegraph thinks it is relevant?
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He was convicted of war crimes. Isn't that good enough for you?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,550
From the FT. Selmayr likes being called what you are having a go at others for saying.

Martin Selmayr is notorious and he loves it. While his influence is currently most keenly felt within the Brussels Beltway, the German lawyer, 46, sitting in an office festooned with euro memorabilia, jelly sweets and bumper crisp packets, is about to play a pivotal role in Brexit. Viewed by some in London as a dark force and in Brussels as possessing almost mystical powers, few doubt his crucial role in the talks that will reset Britain’s future. A half-smile crosses Selmayr’s lips as he is asked about his fearsome nicknames, which range from Rasputin to “the monster”, an affectionate moniker from his boss, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker. “If you look into the history of Rasputin, that can be both flattering and not — Lenin can be flattering or not,” he says. “If it means there is an efficient manager, somebody who is not a wimp, I’m OK with that. You can’t run the European Commission like a Montessori school.” When the history of Brexit comes to be told, Selmayr — an official who rose spectacularly through the Brussels ranks to become Juncker’s all-powerful chief of staff — will be a central figure. “Do you know the difference between Selmayr and God?” Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s veteran finance minister, once joked. “God knows he’s not Selmayr.”
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,551
skybluetony176 said:
Sounds more like you’re making your own facts up based on something Mart said.
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Bless - Tony and Mart living together in perfect harmony
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,552
martcov said:
The Telegraph mentioned the Nazi grandfather bit. You seem to be protecting the Telegraph, maybe you could explain what that has to do with his appointment and why the Telegraph thinks it is relevant?
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What I’m more interested in is your view that all right wing papers are rags and support Brexit

The telegraph has a pathetic readership and I’ve never read it to my knowledge
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,553
martcov said:
The Telegraph mentioned the Nazi grandfather bit. You seem to be protecting the Telegraph, maybe you could explain what that has to do with his appointment and why the Telegraph thinks it is relevant?
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Whose Monster by the way?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,554
Grendel said:
Bless - Tony and Mart living together in perfect harmony
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Well it is nice to have someone. Not that you would know you sad loner.
 
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Astute

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,555
skybluetony176 said:
Well it is nice to have someone. Not that you would know you sad loner.
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And back to Salmayr.

You wanted to know why I am so unhappy with the way the EU is run. I have come out with another reason today. So what is your view on his self appointment?

He got 2 jobs in 19 minutes. He wasn't high up enough to get the job. So he took a role which was high enough to get the role he now has.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,556
Astute said:
He was convicted of war crimes. Isn't that good enough for you?
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He had an important job in the Weimar Republic. Leutnant in the 3. Reich and Brigadier in the Bundesrepublik. He didn’t serve his time as he was considered useful to the BRD.

He... was the paternal grandfather of an EU official. I don’t know what this has to do with the EU.

If you want to talk about grandfathers in the 3. Reich, let’s talk about Farage speaking at an election rally for a party led by the granddaughter of a Nazi cabinet minister. That is a bigger connection to Britain and the leave movement, and to Nazi politics.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,557
Grendel said:
What I’m more interested in is your view that all right wing papers are rags and support Brexit

The telegraph has a pathetic readership and I’ve never read it to my knowledge
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I didn’t say that. Although the Sun and Mail are right wing rags.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,558
Astute said:
From the FT. Selmayr likes being called what you are having a go at others for saying.

Martin Selmayr is notorious and he loves it. While his influence is currently most keenly felt within the Brussels Beltway, the German lawyer, 46, sitting in an office festooned with euro memorabilia, jelly sweets and bumper crisp packets, is about to play a pivotal role in Brexit. Viewed by some in London as a dark force and in Brussels as possessing almost mystical powers, few doubt his crucial role in the talks that will reset Britain’s future. A half-smile crosses Selmayr’s lips as he is asked about his fearsome nicknames, which range from Rasputin to “the monster”, an affectionate moniker from his boss, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker. “If you look into the history of Rasputin, that can be both flattering and not — Lenin can be flattering or not,” he says. “If it means there is an efficient manager, somebody who is not a wimp, I’m OK with that. You can’t run the European Commission like a Montessori school.” When the history of Brexit comes to be told, Selmayr — an official who rose spectacularly through the Brussels ranks to become Juncker’s all-powerful chief of staff — will be a central figure. “Do you know the difference between Selmayr and God?” Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s veteran finance minister, once joked. “God knows he’s not Selmayr.”
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Some view him as a mystical figure... could be seen as a compliment. But you think everyone is against him. But, I am not really that bothered about him or his grandfather. We wouldn’t even be talking about him if Brexit was going well. It isn’t. So, let’s get angry about someone in the EU which we are leaving anyway.

Half of the voters ( slightly more than half ) voted for Brexit. Enjoy it. Stop moaning about officials that will soon be irrelevant to the UK. I would be watching what is happening in the USA, our future trading partner.

I don’t get why you are even concerned as you are totally convinced of the benefits of leaving. Let the EU get on with it.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,559
Astute said:
And back to Salmayr.

You wanted to know why I am so unhappy with the way the EU is run. I have come out with another reason today. So what is your view on his self appointment?

He got 2 jobs in 19 minutes. He wasn't high up enough to get the job. So he took a role which was high enough to get the role he now has.
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I think it is amazing... how does that work? It obviously should not be possible to pull that stunt. But, there we are, or at least we, the UK are. But apart from tossers like Farage saying that this is the reason we left the EU, it is of little relevance to an ex member of the EU. The rhetoric has been stepped up to cover the government and leavers should we end up in the mire. He will be the villain, and the Germans as usual.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,560
The Brexit right is letting ideology trump democracy | Coffee House

Interesting read.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,561
Grendel said:
Whose Monster by the way?
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Don’t know.
Try this about you friend Kate Howie. Brexiteer Labour MP Kate Hoey suffers vote of no confidence from her constituency
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,562
martcov said:
The SM and CU are not the UK‘s cake. They are EU institutions and we are leaving them, but want the benefits of being in them. Cake and eat it. We’re not getting it. Our own choice.
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You said we wanted to have our cake & eat it Mart. Perhaps the SM & CU are only part of the cake. When in the EU...we have to give up some cake. Leaving it...we have to give up some cake too.

The fact is - the EU & UK could already have agreed to trade under pretty much free conditions if both sides want it. The EU has agreed a free trade agreement with Japan. What stops the same arrangement with the UK? Nothing except conditions applied by one side or the other...& given the article posted earlier about Juncker's flunky - there could easily be some spiteful punitive motives at play from one side

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,563
martcov said:
The article is written in the same tone as Mail and Sun. Monster, NAZI grandfather etc.. the comparison is justified.
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See I disagree with you. I don't think it is proper to compare him with a monster, NAZI grandfather etc. He may well be a nasty piece of work though

Lol...you set yourself up for that one beautifully!

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,564
martcov said:
That is if you want the Norway version. Norway has FOM, so no extra for the UK. Japan and Canada are different deals and don’t have FOM so that is not a direct comparison and we haven’t asked for that yet. The EU has offered a customs union, but we have to have the same regulations as the other 27 to be in it. We don’t want that either.
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Havent asked for that yet? Are you actually imagining that you are involved in the negotiations Mart? Or so beguiled by your EU mouthpieces that you believe all they say as gospel?
It appears the UK doesn't want FOM, but does want to trade freely with the EU. If they can allow Japan...what stops them allowing the UK?

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,565
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I would just like to congratulate everyone for their contribution to this thread. Thanks to all your support, we have now made it to 500 pages in length.

I'm now going to The Slug and Lettuce to drink myself stupid. It's the only way I might avoid getting in my car and driving it off a bridge right about now!
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If you voted leave...you have already been branded as stupid by some on here. So stay home & save your hard earned cash!

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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,566
martcov said:
I think it is amazing... how does that work? It obviously should not be possible to pull that stunt. But, there we are, or at least we, the UK are. But apart from tossers like Farage saying that this is the reason we left the EU, it is of little relevance to an ex member of the EU. The rhetoric has been stepped up to cover the government and leavers should we end up in the mire. He will be the villain, and the Germans as usual.
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Exactly.

Shows how flawed the EU system is. But don't worry Mart will defend whatever happens.

Is there anyone else that detests the UK that could get themselves in a position to have a go at us?
 

Astute

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  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,567
skybluetony176 said:
The Brexit right is letting ideology trump democracy | Coffee House

Interesting read.
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Hello Tony.

Still waiting for your views on Selmayr and the way he could get himself a top position in the EU when nobody even knew there was a vacancy and when he didn't have a position that meant he could have got this position and that it is impossible to remove him.

You wanted to know why I don't trust the EU. I want to know if you think I am right or wrong not to trust them.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,568
martcov said:
Being annoyed and asking for a review is not the same as losing faith in the whole organisation.
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So why do you want a second referendum?

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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,569
martcov said:
You keep making things up that I supposedly said. Stick to what I did say.
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That is hard because you say so much...& then contradict 1/3 of what you said.

Clever defence mechanism though...I'll give you that!

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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2018
  • #17,570
martcov said:
Because it has turned to sensationalism and is taking a hard leave line. Leave won, why the heated up rhetoric? Or do they see Brexit being an almighty cock up and want to divert the heat to the EU?
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Or see Brexit being threatened...so are ramping it up to keep people focused on wanting to leave?

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