And more comple bollocks. Most people on here know that my eldest daughter is half Asian. Now you accuse me of being a racist just because I want us ruled by ourselves and not as it would most probably be by someone from Germany if everyone got a single vote.No it doesn't make any difference in voting/ veto rights.
I said that you said you would now vote leave if there was a rerun. I only quote what you said. Read your own comments before you insult me.
I have never insulted you - your comments are ill informed and race based. I am saying nothing more. Read what you said.
What has race to do with a president or - in the case of the U.K. - a prime minister? Would you accept being ruled - in the country you are so proud of - by an Afro Caribean? You mentioned race in EU terms - not me.
That is the problem with this vote - emotion, race, ill informed...
I want us to be part of an European Union. If the figurehead is British, Greek or Estonian - it doesn't matter. It is not a question of race, but ability.
The only British figurehead Europe would consider is the ghastly Blair and that really says it all
Bollocks. You have called me ill informed and my thoughts are race based. And if it is based on ability then we have the ability to do well out of the EU.I want us to be part of an European Union. If the figurehead is British, Greek or Estonian - it doesn't matter. It is not a question of race, but ability.
And more comple bollocks. Most people on here know that my eldest daughter is half Asian. Now you accuse me of being a racist just because I want us ruled by ourselves and not as it would most probably be by someone from Germany if everyone got a single vote.
And yes I have said I would most probably make sure I vote leave if there was another referendum. It is people like yourself and others that have made me feel like this. The people of the UK voted. They voted out. I am all for democracy.
Bollocks. You have called me ill informed and my thoughts are race based. And if it is based on ability then we have the ability to do well out of the EU.
I am British. I don't want to be ruled by someone in Europe that we don't want to be ruled by. End of.
And more comple bollocks. Most people on here know that my eldest daughter is half Asian. Now you accuse me of being a racist just because I want us ruled by ourselves and not as it would most probably be by someone from Germany if everyone got a single vote.
And yes I have said I would most probably make sure I vote leave if there was another referendum. It is people like yourself and others that have made me feel like this. The people of the UK voted. They voted out. I am all for democracy.
I am not frightened. We are British. We should run our own countries. We shouldn't be run by people that don't have our best interests at heart.Read your posts. You are frightened of Germans running the EU and ruling you. They are not running the EU and are not - as fa as I know - interested in ruling you. If you are not racist, why are you against a person of another race being a figurehead for Europe? If Europe ( 500m people from 28 countries ) have elected him, why won't you accept him if he ( or she ) turns out to be German?
You contradict yourself.
martcov's arguments are largely incoherent and read as though they've been constructed by a 12 year old.
I have previously observed that he will often resort to a default position of labelling people as racists.
You are the one who is ill informed. Being British and wanting to be run by other British people and not by someone from the EU is what the vast majority would want.That you don't want to be ruled by. Being "British" is not a logical reason for not being in the EU. That is race based.
I suppose you have never insinuated that I am racist nowReally, when have I ever called you a racist?
I am not frightened. We are British. We should run our own countries. We shouldn't be run by people that don't have our best interests at heart.
I suppose you have never insinuated that I am racist now
If you are not racist, why are you against a person of another race being a figurehead for Europe?
I tell you one thing, for all the hype about the rise of the right, its the rhetoric coming from middle class lefties that has been most suprising and worrying. Some of my acquaintances have really shown their true colours in defeat with some incredible comments
I wasn't against the Scottish referendum. They voted stay.By that you mean the countries of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland I assume? Fair enough, but Scotland and Northern Ireland want to remain in the EU. Are you for allowing them a referendum? What makes you think that a coherent Europe doesn't have our interests at heart? Together we are stronger and there is less chance of European wars. That is in our interests.
Does it matter? I wouldn't want it whatever colour or nationality.From what race do you think a potential figurehead of Europe could be?
From what race do you think a potential figurehead of Europe could be?
Read your posts. You are frightened of Germans running the EU and ruling you. They are not running the EU and are not - as fa as I know - interested in ruling you. If you are not racist, why are you against a person of another race being a figurehead for Europe? If Europe ( 500m people from 28 countries ) have elected him, why won't you accept him if he ( or she ) turns out to be German?
You contradict yourself.
No idea.
I wasn't against the Scottish referendum. They voted stay.
So will Europe go to war if we leave? Sounds like you was listening to the remain lot from where you live in Germany.
The uk are hugely disengaged with this process. Turn out at the euro elections are incredibly low.
Be honest, there is no way the uk would ever agree political union at all. It's a grotesque system and you know as well as I do a leader will not be from a minor country.
UK has always been outside the process. Outside the eurozone and never would embrace federal rule.
If i am honest the only thing that would concern me is any suggestion eu migrants currently living here should have any change to their status. I think the migration into uk has been mainly positive and many fulfil roles in the public and service sectors that the indigenous population will not. I do not see their position threatened and not should they.
My perspective is ideological - astutes comment regarding being ruled by Britain is not racist it is a belief that citizens in a country should make it's own laws and elect it's own government. This is a rejection of federal rule and is precisely why I want out
My question is based on you raising it as a racist point.
What race are those in power in Europe, who could potentially fulfil this role if it were to be implemented?
You are the one who is ill informed. Being British and wanting to be run by other British people and not by someone from the EU is what the vast majority would want.
It is a future concept, so I have no idea. Astute assumes that it will be a German if there is an election. Juncker is the most powerful man at the moment and he is from Luxembourg. The population of Luxembourg is comparable to Coventry.
So you say that the vote was very close for the UK to leave then say that the Scottish vote was much bigger to leave. That means that the English vote to leave was bigger than the UK total, yet you think we should stay in the EU.The Scots voted remain at the latest referendum - stay in Europe - by a higher majority than in the UK referendum. So you are presumably in favour of a Scots remain in Europe ( as a democrat )?
The idea of of "Europe" was born in the ruins of WWII. Who knows what the future will bring, but the past wasn't exactly good for Europe.
And even more either didn't vote or voted to leave the EU. Well over a million more.The vast majority either didn't vote or voted for Europe.
Your points are getting stupid.I understand your point of view, but Astute has problems with Germany and Germans being involved. He has never mentioned Estonians or Spanish.
So what race are the leaders/representatives of Germany/Luxembourg?[/QUO
As to the race thing, slagging Poles or Germans is racism. Yes they are the same colour as us ( in general ), but that does not stop slagging Germans being racist. Are you trying to go down the ethnic road? There are Turks in the German parliament who could theoretically rule Germany. The ex-leader of the FDP was Vietnamese. The joint head of the Greens is Turkish and could get an important position in the next government. I have no idea about Luxembourg.
And even more either didn't vote or voted to leave the EU. Well over a million more.
Your points are getting stupid.
I am British. I don't want to be ruled by any country but our own. Why shouldn't I want someone who wants what is best for us?
And even more either didn't vote or voted to leave the EU. Well over a million more.
As to the race thing, slagging Poles or Germans is racism. Yes they are the same colour as us ( in general ), but that does not stop slagging Germans being racist.
A million is not a vast majority.
So you say that the vote was very close for the UK to leave then say that the Scottish vote was much bigger to leave. That means that the English vote to leave was bigger than the UK total, yet you think we should stay in the EU.
I believe in people having a say. If the Scottish vote to stay in the EU I would like them to see if it is possible.
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