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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (19 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

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  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,556
Astute said:
State where I am wrong without twisting what I have said for once.
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He is a moron. I have agreed with you. The EU has one negotiating team. It is a trading block. Trump has to sign one trade agreement not 28. so you are wrong to claim otherwise. 28 are represented, but there is only one partner. Trump would rather bully 28 individual states, as he is doing with the UK by embarrassing May, or at NATO by embarrassing Merkel.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,557
Astute said:
And as you know that is absolute bullshit.

Those on here don't constantly try to defend what leave said and constantly attack remain. But the few of you on here constantly go on about what leave said and ignore what leave said.

If anyone defended what leave said as much I would also point out where and why they are wrong like I have in the past.
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What? We get the same old crap about Tusk, Juncker and unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels from morning til night and then we are told not to be condescending or to call them out. Leavers are wrong to use these cliches and distractions instead of fact based constructive criticism... or even better, suggesting a plan for Brexit without damaging the UK. No... will never happen... so it’s back to Juncker and Tusk..
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,558
Astute said:
Only when he talks sense and I agree with him.

Mart is trying to say UKIP are racist yet again. But strangely enough you missed it as usual. But you have to as you have said that they are not.
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To be fair someone calling people monkey boy sets the racism bar rather low.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,559
Astute said:
Only when he talks sense and I agree with him.

Mart is trying to say UKIP are racist yet again. But strangely enough you missed it as usual. But you have to as you have said that they are not.
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Mart is saying nothing of the sort. You are making it up... again. Mart said that they gladly took the votes of BNP supporters and claimed, via Farage, that they did us a favour by so doing. They didn’t object to racists is different to saying they are all racists. Just the bar is very low at UKIP and they have been in trouble because of some of the membership being racist.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,560
Grendel said:
To be fair someone calling people monkey boy sets the racism bar rather low.
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Yes. Who was that? In which racist context was that?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,561
Astute said:
No idea who he is?

Has he made racist remarks? Does that make the whole party racist?

Are you a Labour voter? If what you are saying about him is what I think you are aiming at then all Labour voters are racist. I am not happy with that as I am a Labour voter.
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His girlfriend did. I think he is guilty by association. Birds of a feather...
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,562
Astute said:
No idea who he is?

Has he made racist remarks? Does that make the whole party racist?

Are you a Labour voter? If what you are saying about him is what I think you are aiming at then all Labour voters are racist. I am not happy with that as I am a Labour voter.
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Why did he resign as leader of UKIP? Google it. You’re good at that when it comes to Italian legal scandals.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,563
martcov said:
He is a moron. I have agreed with you. The EU has one negotiating team. It is a trading block. Trump has to sign one trade agreement not 28. so you are wrong to claim otherwise. 28 are represented, but there is only one partner. Trump would rather bully 28 individual states, as he is doing with the UK by embarrassing May, or at NATO by embarrassing Merkel.
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Why am I wrong?

The EU does deals for all countries in the EU. It has to be a good deal for all those. Having to make a deal that won't harm any country out of 27 isn't easy. Is there a veto?

Or he can make deals with a single one which is the UK once we leave the EU. Which would be the easiest? And take off your pro EU hat before answering or you will look stupid.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,564
martcov said:
What? We get the same old crap about Tusk, Juncker and unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels from morning til night and then we are told not to be condescending or to call them out. Leavers are wrong to use these cliches and distractions instead of fact based constructive criticism... or even better, suggesting a plan for Brexit without damaging the UK. No... will never happen... so it’s back to Juncker and Tusk..
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So what hasn't been fact based about who you mention?

Oh yes Juncker is innocent of all charges. That is why you don't want to have him mentioned on here.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,565
Astute said:
Why am I wrong?

The EU does deals for all countries in the EU. It has to be a good deal for all those. Having to make a deal that won't harm any country out of 27 isn't easy. Is there a veto?

Or he can make deals with a single one which is the UK once we leave the EU. Which would be the easiest? And take off your pro EU hat before answering or you will look stupid.
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He had almost got a deal with the EU. He scrapped it. He can make deals more easily with individual countries. He offers „take it or leave it“ and bullies the country into accepting a deal in the US favour. At least he has promised that to his base. He would love the EU to split up. No idea why you think that he would do a deal in our UK favour. Especially knowing that we have screwed ourselves and stand alone.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,566
Grendel said:
To be fair someone calling people monkey boy sets the racism bar rather low.
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But it is an insult so shouldn't be used.

You might see it as a racist remark. You might not. But many do. So it shouldn't be used.

It is like calling black people coloured. It is an insult. But some don't have a clue. Many think it is an OK term. So they don't understand. Some see it as racist. Some see it as a derogatory term. Take your pick. But it shouldn't be used.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,567
martcov said:
Mart is saying nothing of the sort. You are making it up... again. Mart said that they gladly took the votes of BNP supporters and claimed, via Farage, that they did us a favour by so doing. They didn’t object to racists is different to saying they are all racists. Just the bar is very low at UKIP and they have been in trouble because of some of the membership being racist.
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Just like the Labour party. But you fail to mention that.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,568
Astute said:
So what hasn't been fact based about who you mention?

Oh yes Juncker is innocent of all charges. That is why you don't want to have him mentioned on here.
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What on earth has Juncker, who is leaving in 2021, got to do with our future relationship with the EU? He has to approve any deal now or his commissioners do, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with tax deals in Luxemburg, or his past. Any ideas on Brexit without damaging the UK? No. Thought not.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,569
martcov said:
Why did he resign as leader of UKIP? Google it. You’re good at that when it comes to Italian legal scandals.
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I did do afterwards. So does it make all of UKIP racist? Tony will disagree with you there.

So back on to Labour. Are they a racist party? Would you like a long list of Labour MP's......Or even a leader to compare against?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,570
martcov said:
What on earth has Juncker, who is leaving in 2021, got to do with our future relationship with the EU? He has to approve any deal now or his commissioners do, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with tax deals in Luxemburg, or his past. Any ideas on Brexit without damaging the UK? No. Thought not.
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The bloke is bent. But he decides what happens. He has even stopped himself looking into what he did wrong. We will have left before 2021. But it is OK with you as he is leaving in 2021.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,571
Astute said:
Just like the Labour party. But you fail to mention that.
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Did they boast about it?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,572
martcov said:
He had almost got a deal with the EU. He scrapped it. He can make deals more easily with individual countries. He offers „take it or leave it“ and bullies the country into accepting a deal in the US favour. At least he has promised that to his base. He would love the EU to split up. No idea why you think that he would do a deal in our UK favour. Especially knowing that we have screwed ourselves and stand alone.
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So that is your pro EU side of it.

So he nearly got a deal with the EU. So why didn't he?

Oh yes all to do with Trump and not anything wrong with the EU. If they had made a deal you would have been on cloud 9 telling us how great the deal is and how crap it is for the UK.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,573
Astute said:
The bloke is bent. But he decides what happens. He has even stopped himself looking into what he did wrong. We will have left before 2021. But it is OK with you as he is leaving in 2021.
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It is ok with me as I am not stupid enough to leave based on Juncker’s history.
 

Astute

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  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,574
martcov said:
Did they boast about it?
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So nobody but UKIP is guilty of anything. Yes I hear you Mart.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,575
Astute said:
So that is your pro EU side of it.

So he nearly got a deal with the EU. So why didn't he?

Oh yes all to do with Trump and not anything wrong with the EU. If they had made a deal you would have been on cloud 9 telling us how great the deal is and how crap it is for the UK.
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It is all to do with Trump. It was negotiated in Obama‘s time, so Trump stopped it.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,576
martcov said:
Yes. Who was that? In which racist context was that?
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I argued against the term being used. So look for another target if that is what you are after.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,577
Astute said:
So nobody but UKIP is guilty of anything. Yes I hear you Mart.
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Where did I say that? And answer the question please.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,578
martcov said:
His girlfriend did. I think he is guilty by association. Birds of a feather...
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Yet that is bad yet the bullshit against Jews directly from Labour MP's is OK?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,579
Astute said:
I did do afterwards. So does it make all of UKIP racist? Tony will disagree with you there.

So back on to Labour. Are they a racist party? Would you like a long list of Labour MP's......Or even a leader to compare against?
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No. As I have said it doesn’t make UKIP racist, but shows that there are racists in UKIP who keep getting found out. Implies there are many as does Farage‘s bragging about taking in BNPp members.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,580
Astute said:
Yet that is bad yet the bullshit against Jews directly from Labour MP's is OK?
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I don’t agree with either.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,581
martcov said:
It is ok with me as I am not stupid enough to leave based on Juncker’s history.
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You left many years ago.

So will the EU become a decent thing o ce Juncker has left?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,582
Astute said:
So what hasn't been fact based about who you mention?

Oh yes Juncker is innocent of all charges. That is why you don't want to have him mentioned on here.
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I said „fact based constructive criticism“
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,583
martcov said:
Where did I say that? And answer the question please.
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Because as usual you attack Brexit voters and UKIP as much as you can but ignore everything else. You are trying to say that UKIP are racist because of a partner of one of them is. Yes some others will be also.

So how about doing your version of events on Labour?

Of course not.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,584
martcov said:
It is all to do with Trump. It was negotiated in Obama‘s time, so Trump stopped it.
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Negotiated how many years ago? So why was nothing signed?

Another true Mart fact.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,585
martcov said:
Where did I say that? And answer the question please.
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Why only attack UKIP and nobody else?

You say you want to debate the whole thing. But you want 60% of the facts removed.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,586
martcov said:
No. As I have said it doesn’t make UKIP racist, but shows that there are racists in UKIP who keep getting found out. Implies there are many as does Farage‘s bragging about taking in BNPp members.
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I have already said the same myself. So what point are you trying to make?
 

Astute

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  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,587
martcov said:
I said „fact based constructive criticism“
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I gave lots of fact based criticism on Juncker.

You came back with he has nothing to do with anything although he is in the middle of everything.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,588
Astute said:
You left many years ago.

So will the EU become a decent thing o ce Juncker has left?
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I don’t think an organisation representing 500 million people will drastically change when Juncker goes. It will depend on the policy decided by the council. The commission gets its brief from the council.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,589
martcov said:
Yes. Who was that? In which racist context was that?
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It wasn’t racist and Grendull knows that. Just ask Sickboy, that’s who the comment was aimed at. Grendull needs the distraction because it’s just dawned on him he’s a closet UKIP supporter. I’m not surprised he’s brought it up and misrepresented it again, just surprised it took him so long. It won’t be the last time he drags it up when he can’t concede an argument, needs to try and discredit someone because he’s being an arse and needs to make someone look worse than him etc. etc.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 13, 2018
  • #16,590
Astute said:
I gave lots of fact based criticism on Juncker.

You came back with he has nothing to do with anything although he is in the middle of everything.
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Until 2021. He is doing his job until then. That has nothing to do with Luxemburg tax laws.
 
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