Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
Forums New posts

As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 453
  • 454
  • 455
  • 456
  • 457
  • …
  • 1484
Next
First Prev 455 of 1484 Next Last
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,891
dutchman said:
Are Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden also 'major players in the EU' since they are also not in the Eurozone?
Click to expand...

You seriously think the UK‘s influence was on a par with the countries you name?

Did you not understand e.g. ?

I’ll help you:
bijvoorbeeld
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,892
Westendlad said:
Thought you owned a pub.....Now it seems like you're a driver of some sorts ?
Click to expand...

I own a pub, but I don’t work in it. I have another business which involves lots of travel throughout Germany. Previously also in other EU countries, but I am getting too old for that, so I am sticking to Germany.
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,893
martcov said:
You seriously think the UK‘s influence was on a par with the countries you name?
Click to expand...

As far as the example which YOU chose is concerned, most definitely.

martcov said:
Did you not understand e.g. ?
Click to expand...

I do, YOU clearly do not.
 
Reactions: SkyblueBazza and Astute

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,894
martcov said:
I own a pub, but I don’t work in it. I have another business which involves lots of travel throughout Germany. Previously also in other EU countries, but I am getting too old for that, so I am sticking to Germany.
Click to expand...
A bit like your national allegiance!
 
Reactions: AVWskyblue, SkyblueBazza and Astute

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,895
martcov said:
No it doesn’t simply make rules up. What do you think they do? „What shall we do today? Mmm .. I know we’ll make some rules up.“
Click to expand...
That is done mainly to help France or Germany.

'Oh look. That rule we made up where migrants get stranded in Greece, Italy and Spain is making them very unhappy. They want to go to Germany so let's lock them up'
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,896
martcov said:
They weren’t lies. They were predictions. Saying or implying that there would be 350 m a week for the NHS was a deliberate lie.
Click to expand...
You mean scare tactics that were all wrong?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,897
martcov said:
„Protectionism refers to government actions and policies that restrict or restrain international trade, often with the intent of protecting local businesses and jobs from foreign competition.“

to do that you make excuses. Such as for security reasons ( see Trump), or ethical.

Read more: Protectionism Definition | Investopediahttps://www.investopedi
Click to expand...
martcov said:
Well no. I don’t believe for one minute that people voted for Brexit to help poor farmers denied sales in the EU. Also, if we imported food from some places, the locals would have less to eat. You cannot just say people would be better off. Will Britain give free Trade to these countries without some sort of benefit for Britain?
Click to expand...
Half of the money that goes to the EU is paid out to landowners so they can dictate what is or isn't grown and to fix prices.

So buying from other countries will harm them?

EU agriculture policy 'still hurting farmers in developing countries' | Mark Tran
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,898
martcov said:
Are you trying to accuse the EU of doing something we won’t do? The EU has quality and ethical standards. You call them price protectionism. They could be price or job protectionism, or they could be genuine standards.
Click to expand...
So the EU can give as much as the money we have to hand over to them to those they want. And they do. You say this is good.

What would happen if we handed money out to a struggling sector at home?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,899
Astute said:
You mean scare tactics that were all wrong?
Click to expand...

It's strange how you've never once called out scare tactics by the Leave campaign.
 
Reactions: martcov

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,900
Sick Boy said:
It's strange how you've never once called out scare tactics by the Leave campaign.
Click to expand...
Because you and a couple of others constantly mention them. Then constantly make out that everyone who voted leave did so because of them.

So what were the scare tactics for leave compared to remain?

And now it is constant scare tactics about us leaving. The same people who came out with how bad it would be if we voted leave (And were totally wrong) are now doing the same with us leaving. Yet it is supposed to be gospel again. If you mention anything that could be good you get shot down.

How about Italy? You were supposed to be moving there because of the racism here.

Are you happy that they are prosecuting people for doing things that they haven't because they know they have the wrong people?

Are you happy that the EU has left Italy to deal with the migrants without help as they don't want them moving North?

And are you happy that the EU is now going to detain them and they are guilty until proven innocent?

It isn't just people in the UK that are very unhappy with the way the EU dictates things. Unrest is growing throughout the EU. But you only concentrate on the UK.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,901
Astute said:
Because you and a couple of others constantly mention them. Then constantly make out that everyone who voted leave did so because of them.

So what were the scare tactics for leave compared to remain?

And now it is constant scare tactics about us leaving. The same people who came out with how bad it would be if we voted leave (And were totally wrong) are now doing the same with us leaving. Yet it is supposed to be gospel again. If you mention anything that could be good you get shot down.

How about Italy? You were supposed to be moving there because of the racism here.

Are you happy that they are prosecuting people for doing things that they haven't because they know they have the wrong people?

Are you happy that the EU has left Italy to deal with the migrants without help as they don't want them moving North?

And are you happy that the EU is now going to detain them and they are guilty until proven innocent?

It isn't just people in the UK that are very unhappy with the way the EU dictates things. Unrest is growing throughout the EU. But you only concentrate on the UK.
Click to expand...

You ask the same questions, time and time again.

Scare tactics included blatant lies about Turkey being on the verge of joining while highlighting Syria on the map just to Stoke up fears; parliament not being sovereign etc etc

There was supposed to have been millions of extra £ a week, yet it now looks like fuel taxes will rise amongst others.

I had planned to move to Italy regardless but plans moved forward as I predicted that the scapegoating of working and tax paying migrants for the country's woes by the likes of yourself would soon ramp up. As I've mentioned several times we have to put it on hold due to personal reasons over here that I'm not going to discuss on here.

The rise of Salvini is a worry but populists never seem to last well. Funnily enough, he'd probably like a lot of your posts on here.

You've exposed your own hypocrisy on the migration crisis in southern Europe by rejecting ideas that the UK should take in their fair share of them.

The unrest was supposed to have led to several EU countries following in the UK's steps, yet again it hasn't and doesn't look like happening.

One positive of leaving is that maybe the likes of yourself are going to one day wake up and realise a lot of the issues we have are down to decisions by our own successive government, but I suspect there will always be 'others' to blame.
 
Reactions: martcov

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,902
Grendel said:
I always answer questions - avoidance and denial is your style not mine - these are hardly earth shattering questions and are hardly things that the government will not be considering.

Equally other similar federations across Europe are concerned for members jobs of Britain are hit with punitive tariffs when Brexit happens have they not?
Click to expand...

You don’t understand the 24 questions from the BCC then. Fair enough, no shame in that I can’t say I understand the point and impact of all of them myself. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Reactions: martcov
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,903
Astute said:
You mean scare tactics that were all wrong?
Click to expand...

We don’t know if some things will at least partly happen.

Brexit to have greatest negative impact on regions outside London
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,904
Sick Boy said:
You've exposed your own hypocrisy on the migration crisis in southern Europe by rejecting ideas that the UK should take in their fair share of them.
Click to expand...
Go on then. Point out where I have said anything at all like you say.

It was Mart who even tried twisting my words when I said I would prefer persecuted migrants than economic migrants who have the benefit of an EU passport to come here and work he said what about their kids and parents then said economic migrants who come here don't bring their families.

So point your views towards Mart.

Of course you won't.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,905
skybluetony176 said:
You don’t understand the 24 questions from the BCC then. Fair enough, no shame in that I can’t say I understand the point and impact of all of them myself. Thanks for clearing that up.
Click to expand...

Are you 5 years old Tony?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,906
martcov said:
We don’t know if some things will at least partly happen.

Brexit to have greatest negative impact on regions outside London
Click to expand...

Food prices to go up? They are artificially high because of about half the billions that goes to the EU is used to keep prices high. And all in the name of protectionism.

So IF there is no trade deal prices might go up. But we would be able to make deals with other countries once we have left. Just like for everything else.

Yes people have the right to be worried. But nobody knows. We don't even have a clue about trade deals with the EU.

But one thing for sure. Many of those who get millions from the EU for not growing anything will start growing again. They won't have a hold on us once we have left.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,907
Grendel said:
Are you 5 years old Tony?
Click to expand...

Didn’t need further confirmation that you don’t understand what the BCC are asking the government, you’ve been pretty clear on that by your response already. Thanks anyway.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,908
skybluetony176 said:
Didn’t need further confirmation that you don’t understand what the BCC are asking the government, you’ve been pretty clear on that by your response already. Thanks anyway.
Click to expand...

So what do you know considering you admit you don't understand?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,909
skybluetony176 said:
Didn’t need further confirmation that you don’t understand what the BCC are asking the government, you’ve been pretty clear on that by your response already. Thanks anyway.
Click to expand...

It is very basic stuff Tony as I have already said and similar issues and questions are raised by other Industry Groups in Europe on the impact on them - especially Germany - the government will not clearly respond while engaging in negotiations.

You seem to think you have found some kind of gold whereas its just Pyrate (apt for you to be fair given that other than Mad Mart everyone on here laughs at you)

What is there not to understand? Unless say you were clueless about a famous political resignation speech, loves the EU and votes UKIP or starts a thread saying they are not racist and then convinces everyone they are its really simple

Oh yes...OK
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,910
Astute said:
So the EU can give as much as the money we have to hand over to them to those they want. And they do. You say this is good.

What would happen if we handed money out to a struggling sector at home?
Click to expand...

What are you on about?
SkyblueBazza said:
Denial.

The majority that voted wanted to leave. The remainder was a split between remain & couldn't give a shit!
THAT is the reality. Otherwise they would've voted.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

Which is roughly what I said.
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,911
Astute said:
That is done mainly to help France or Germany.

'Oh look. That rule we made up where migrants get stranded in Greece, Italy and Spain is making them very unhappy. They want to go to Germany so let's lock them up'
Click to expand...

You say that. The details haven’t been agreed. Anyway I thought leavers believe they all want to invade the U.K. and scrounge of the state. Has the UK taken hundreds of thousands of refugees?

No, of course not. So before you start slagging other governments off take a look at the UKs weak and wobbly Tory anti business, anti humanity government.
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,912
Grendel said:
It is very basic stuff Tony as I have already said and similar issues and questions are raised by other Industry Groups in Europe on the impact on them - especially Germany - the government will not clearly respond while engaging in negotiations.

You seem to think you have found some kind of gold whereas its just Pyrate (apt for you to be fair given that other than Mad Mart everyone on here laughs at you)

What is there not to understand? Unless say you were clueless about a famous political resignation speech, loves the EU and votes UKIP or starts a thread saying they are not racist and then convinces everyone they are its really simple

Oh yes...OK
Click to expand...

What is basic stuff is that our manufacturing industry is better off in the EU. Thanks to the CU and SM we can build cars using the whole of the EU as a potential supply chain, thus making us internationally competitive. The motor manufacturers and dealers organisation is of the same opinion as myself and Tony. They are not laughing.

You can well sneer from the comfort of your keyboard, but the truth is - according to the people who led leave - that Brexit was never about economics and it was achieved by leading people up the garden path.

Their words not mine. Yet you come out with something about Polish pensions and Astute about Juncker’s tax deals. Why don’t you just admit the bloody obvious, that Brexit up until now has been a total cock up?
 
Reactions: skybluetony176 and Mucca Mad Boys
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,913
Astute said:
Food prices to go up? They are artificially high because of about half the billions that goes to the EU is used to keep prices high. And all in the name of protectionism.

So IF there is no trade deal prices might go up. But we would be able to make deals with other countries once we have left. Just like for everything else.

Yes people have the right to be worried. But nobody knows. We don't even have a clue about trade deals with the EU.

But one thing for sure. Many of those who get millions from the EU for not growing anything will start growing again. They won't have a hold on us once we have left.
Click to expand...

Well you are wrong there, because those who get money for doing nothing have already got guarantees for at least the short term and that includes prominent leavers like IDS.

And yes people are worried about the promises of great trade deals based on what has happened so far.
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,914
Astute said:
Because you and a couple of others constantly mention them. Then constantly make out that everyone who voted leave did so because of them.

So what were the scare tactics for leave compared to remain?

And now it is constant scare tactics about us leaving. The same people who came out with how bad it would be if we voted leave (And were totally wrong) are now doing the same with us leaving. Yet it is supposed to be gospel again. If you mention anything that could be good you get shot down.

How about Italy? You were supposed to be moving there because of the racism here.

Are you happy that they are prosecuting people for doing things that they haven't because they know they have the wrong people?

Are you happy that the EU has left Italy to deal with the migrants without help as they don't want them moving North?

And are you happy that the EU is now going to detain them and they are guilty until proven innocent?

It isn't just people in the UK that are very unhappy with the way the EU dictates things. Unrest is growing throughout the EU. But you only concentrate on the UK.
Click to expand...

In 2016, asylum seekers went to the following:

  • To Germany: 89,170
  • To France: 20,960
  • To Greece: 19,670
  • To Italy: 15,495
  • To Austria: 11,625
  • To Sweden: 8,060
  • To UK: 7,450
Says it all.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,915
martcov said:
In 2016, asylum seekers went to the following:

  • To Germany: 89,170
  • To France: 20,960
  • To Greece: 19,670
  • To Italy: 15,495
  • To Austria: 11,625
  • To Sweden: 8,060
  • To UK: 7,450
Says it all.
Click to expand...

It doesn't say anything
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,916
Astute said:
So what do you know considering you admit you don't understand?
Click to expand...

It’s OK, Grendull has already admitted that he can’t answer the 24 questions. He doesn’t need your help.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,917
Grendel said:
It is very basic stuff Tony as I have already said and similar issues and questions are raised by other Industry Groups in Europe on the impact on them - especially Germany - the government will not clearly respond while engaging in negotiations.

You seem to think you have found some kind of gold whereas its just Pyrate (apt for you to be fair given that other than Mad Mart everyone on here laughs at you)

What is there not to understand? Unless say you were clueless about a famous political resignation speech, loves the EU and votes UKIP or starts a thread saying they are not racist and then convinces everyone they are its really simple

Oh yes...OK
Click to expand...

I got it the first time. You can’t answer the 24 questions. That’s clear. You don’t need to keep repeating yourself.
 
Reactions: martcov
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,918
Grendel said:
It doesn't say anything
Click to expand...

Yes, it does when the same sort of people who told me I was a snowflake and daisy chain maker in 2015, are now on the side of the poor asylum seekers being trapped in Italy and Spai or locked up in transit camps in Germany.

The reality is that the U.K. is not taking in it’s share of refugees.

The German transit camps have not been confirmed and there will be time limits, there will be the option to return to Austria, there are only three main border crossings involved, not all migrants will land in a camp - only those previously registered in another country - and they will be detained until they can be sent to somewhere in the first country ( max 1 week ). The whole thing is BS for the Bavarian state elections and nothing has been confirmed by the coalition partner SPD. It may not happen as proposed.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,919
skybluetony176 said:
I got it the first time. You can’t answer the 24 questions. That’s clear. You don’t need to keep repeating yourself.
Click to expand...

Tell you what Tony which don’t you understand - is it the trade questions, the questions on inland revenue structuring, the questions on Ireland?

For the last time I’ll hold your little hand and guide you.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,920
martcov said:
Yes, it does when the same sort of people who told me I was a snowflake and daisy chain maker in 2015, are now on the side of the poor asylum seekers being trapped in Italy and Spai or locked up in transit camps in Germany.

The reality is that the U.K. is not taking in it’s share of refugees.

The German transit camps have not been confirmed and there will be time limits, there will be the option to return to Austria, there are only three main border crossings involved, not all migrants will land in a camp - only those previously registered in another country - and they will be detained until they can be sent to somewhere in the first country ( max 1 week ). The whole thing is BS for the Bavarian state elections and nothing has been confirmed by the coalition partner SPD. It may not happen as proposed.
Click to expand...

It doesn’t as it doesn’t factor in the 320,000 to 500,000 illegal entries in the uk - whichever figure you choose to believe.

The uk should decide itself - as Italy and even Spain are doing - as to how many the country should take.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,921
Grendel said:
Tell you what Tony which don’t you understand - is it the trade questions, the questions on inland revenue structuring, the questions on Ireland?

For the last time I’ll hold your little hand and guide you.
Click to expand...

You can’t answer them, I get that. No need to keep repeating yourself.
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,922
Grendel said:
It doesn’t as it doesn’t factor in the 320,000 to 500,000 illegal entries in the uk - whichever figure you choose to believe.

The uk should decide itself - as Italy and even Spain are doing - as to how many the country should take.
Click to expand...

No idea how you count illegals. Multinational solutions are usually the best long term. Otherwise others will not cooperate with you.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,923
skybluetony176 said:
You can’t answer them, I get that. No need to keep repeating yourself.
Click to expand...

Oh dear
 
M

martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,924
SkyblueBazza said:
So now you accept EU protectionism???

PROGRESS indeed

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

Where there are no deals. Obviously. But the EU has many deals and is working on more. Some comprehensive, some specific. I don’t see the problem. Nothing unusual about that. How many deals has the U.K. got?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 4, 2018
  • #15,925
Grendel said:
Oh dear
Click to expand...

The fact is you simply don’t want to debate or understand the finer points of brexit. You just want to trade insults, which also seems to be your definition of always answering the question.

The BCC’s list of questions are pertinent to every single resident in the UK, every single question and every single person. Whether that be the way you do your job and the company you work for operates at one end of the spectrum to the way goods arrive at the shops at the other.

Your response to this was initially to ignore it, then ask me the completely irrelevant question of have I ever been to a Chamber of Commerce to then trading insults. You’ve demonstrated completely from your own response that you either have no understanding of the questions that the BCC has asked either in why they’ve asked them and what the response should be or you’re burying your head in the sand because the only possible answers are negative on brexit, asks more questions than answers that are uncomfortable for a brexit backer to answer and they’re irrelevant because brexit at any cost is more important than doing what’s best by Britain, British businesses and the British people to you.
 
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 453
  • 454
  • 455
  • 456
  • 457
  • …
  • 1484
Next
First Prev 455 of 1484 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 13 (members: 0, guests: 13)
Share:
Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
  • Default Style
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Home
  • Forums
    • New posts
    • Search forums
  • What's new
    • New posts
    • Latest activity
  • Members
    • Current visitors
  • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?