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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,751
Grendel said:
Tony you didn’t even know about why I mentioned Thatcher - only the lunatic Martcov is listening to you.
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Insult, bully, make racist comments about lazy Italians, quote racists who hate Germans and use terminology like „Volkswillen“ ( will of The people) and then deny that leavers are frothing right wing loons.. and then call me a lunatic.. You should look in the mirror more often...
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,752
Westendlad said:
You do make me giggle mart..
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Yes, that is about it.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,753
Astute said:
Send Juncker in. He would be running the whole of Ireland within a week although everyone knows he is a fraud.
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The answer to every question is Juncker.

And is, as usual wrong. Do you know anything about the EU or our failure to be able to negotiate? No? Is that why you parrot „Juncker“ to every question or topic?
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,754
Astute said:
Slagging off Juncker doesn't change anything. Just the same as you slagging off anyone who doesn't share your POV.

I might not have done brilliant. But I did manage 7 O levels. And two of them were only C grades. But I was happy with 3 A grades and 2 B grades.
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I got 10. Juncker helped me though.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,755
SkyblueBazza said:
No, it's all about that irony thing. People like you & Mart will slate Trump or the UK for tryimg to achieve what the EU now seems to seek. The EU camps (which to all intent & purpose is what they are) will be worse than any wall Trump wants

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Really?

What about worse than UK ones?

„Parents are routinely separated from their children through immigration detention in the UK. The Home Office doesn’t release stats about the numbers of parents detained. BID’s Separated Families project provides legal advice to about 170 parents per year on how to get released.“

More on Sky News.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,756
dutchman said:
Says it all really...

Not safe for work!

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Well yes it does. Not all leavers are ill informed racists. Some obviously are. Not all remainers were well informed. But, as he says, we would be economically better off remaining. The sovereignty we have regained is not that much as we controlled all major decisions anyway. We went to war. We could have sent EU citizens back after 3 months if they couldn’t support themselves. We could have controlled non EU migration, as an island we had border controls. We have our own currency. And so on and so on. Any trade deals we sign in the future will have give and take aspects which take some form of sovereignty from us. It was never about most of the people who voted leave. It was about dodgy nationalists such as Farage, dodgy tax evaders such as Ashcroft and various hedge fund owners and managers. At the end they ( a large portion of leave voters ) will have won some sovereignty, but be economically worse off at least in the short term ( as is now being admitted by leading leavers).

Now it’s all about the Tory party and we have no clear alternative.

So chaps, was it all worth it?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,757
Astute said:
Fuck off.

So who has said that?

Yet you have said nothing about the EU planning to lock up migrants to stop them getting to Germany.
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No nor German 'Transit Centres'

"Austria ready to protect borders if Germany moves on migrants" - Austria ready to protect borders if Germany moves on migrants

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,758
dutchman said:
Says it all really...

Not safe for work!

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So harsh, so funny & yet so close to the truth for me

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,759
martcov said:
No it didn’t. 17,4 million decided to leave. The rest of the nation are being dragged out, about half the nation against their will.
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Different day...same bollocks

If you choose not to vote it means ypu are willing to accept the consequences of not voting...i.e. siding with the winning argument.

So - the nation decided to leave!

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,760
martcov said:
Jesus wept. You should read the papers or watch the news.
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You forgot to tell him which papers or news! He may end up reading the Daily Mail like Tony - then where will you be?

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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,761
SkyblueBazza said:
So harsh, so funny & yet so close to the truth for me

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What part of sovereignty have you gained? Is the risk of an economic loss - confirmed by leading leavers - a price you want to pay? If leavers think that an economic hit is worth it for, say, deregulation of the curvature of bananas, that would be fine by me... if they were the only people to take a hit. Very heroic. Not heroic is forcing the remaining population to join them in taking a possible hit for regaining a small portion of sovereignty which may have to be traded in again to some extent in future trade deals.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,762
SkyblueBazza said:
Different day...same bollocks

If you choose not to vote it means ypu are willing to accept the consequences of not voting...i.e. siding with the winning argument.

So - the nation decided to leave!

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Maths is not your strong point. The adult population of The UK is more than the 17,4 million who made a conscious choice. The rest were outvoted or too lazy to vote. It doesn’t alter the fact that the nation is not behind Brexit.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,763
SkyblueBazza said:
You forgot to tell him which papers or news! He may end up reading the Daily Mail like Tony - then where will you be?

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Where we are now. Blaming Juncker for all ills on the planet.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,764
martcov said:
I’ve hardly mentioned Trump’s wall, if at all. Trump is a clown. Have the Mexicans coughed up yet?
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No because nothing has been finalised. But you cannot argue the Trump's wall is designed to achieve the same as the EU & German 'Transit Camps'. So you must agree that Clown Merkel's desperate bid to save her coalition is suddenly an EU agreement between the 28?

Had the EU paid heed to the UK over those years they may not be facing this crisis now.

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Grendel

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,765
martcov said:
Maths is not your strong point. The adult population of The UK is more than the 17,4 million who made a conscious choice. The rest were outvoted or too lazy to vote. It doesn’t alter the fact that the nation is not behind Brexit.
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How much of germany voted for Merkel this time around?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,766
martcov said:
Really?

What about worse than UK ones?

„Parents are routinely separated from their children through immigration detention in the UK. The Home Office doesn’t release stats about the numbers of parents detained. BID’s Separated Families project provides legal advice to about 170 parents per year on how to get released.“

More on Sky News.
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We will have to wait & see what Germany does & how they operate. Merkel will do the least she has to to pacify others in the Coalition. But it might make uncomfortable viewing/reading. It might not please the Austrians either.

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,767
martcov said:
Well yes it does. Not all leavers are ill informed racists. Some obviously are. Not all remainers were well informed. But, as he says, we would be economically better off remaining. The sovereignty we have regained is not that much as we controlled all major decisions anyway. We went to war. We could have sent EU citizens back after 3 months if they couldn’t support themselves. We could have controlled non EU migration, as an island we had border controls. We have our own currency. And so on and so on. Any trade deals we sign in the future will have give and take aspects which take some form of sovereignty from us. It was never about most of the people who voted leave. It was about dodgy nationalists such as Farage, dodgy tax evaders such as Ashcroft and various hedge fund owners and managers. At the end they ( a large portion of leave voters ) will have won some sovereignty, but be economically worse off at least in the short term ( as is now being admitted by leading leavers).

Now it’s all about the Tory party and we have no clear alternative.

So chaps, was it all worth it?
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But see for many of us - we know we need a strong economy...because we have been fed that diet from very early in life. Quality of life counts for nothing until you have little or nothing...except to those who have high self awareness.
Chase the promotions, money, status, expensive material things...but they don't make you happy

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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,768
SkyblueBazza said:
But see for many of us - we know we need a strong economy...because we have been fed that diet from very early in life. Quality of life counts for nothing until you have little or nothing...except to those who have high self awareness.
Chase the promotions, money, status, expensive material things...but they don't make you happy

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A bit of wealth does help though.

You missed this on the Reiters site:
MPs ask Hammond and Carney for Brexit impact studies

I would like to know who the losers will be. I suspect I know the winners.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,769
Grendel said:
How much of germany voted for Merkel this time around?
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How much of Germany voted for the coalition parties is the proper question? Is there an opposition representing those that did not vote for the coalition? Merkel is not governing alone. It is rare that Germany is governed by one party.

The opposition has seats on various committeess and therefore has some influence. Plus there are the states in the Bundesrat that act as checks and balances.

Now, in the U.K. anyone who raises concerns or seeks to curb excessive powers of government gets insulted and called an enemy of the people.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,770
martcov said:
What part of sovereignty have you gained? Is the risk of an economic loss - confirmed by leading leavers - a price you want to pay? If leavers think that an economic hit is worth it for, say, deregulation of the curvature of bananas, that would be fine by me... if they were the only people to take a hit. Very heroic. Not heroic is forcing the remaining population to join them in taking a possible hit for regaining a small portion of sovereignty which may have to be traded in again to some extent in future trade deals.
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Sovereignty...we haven't left yet so no benefit gained.
Economy...read my previous post.
You are hung up on banana's aren't you? Whether it be the curvature or the Banana Republic-like EU.

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,771
martcov said:
Maths is not your strong point. The adult population of The UK is more than the 17,4 million who made a conscious choice. The rest were outvoted or too lazy to vote. It doesn’t alter the fact that the nation is not behind Brexit.
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And by that response...you prove your difficulty understanding simple concepts

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,772
martcov said:
Where we are now. Blaming Juncker for all ills on the planet.
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No Tony doesn't read the Daily Mail but knows what it's stories say

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Grendel

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,773
martcov said:
How much of Germany voted for the coalition parties is the proper question? Is there an opposition representing those that did not vote for the coalition? Merkel is not governing alone. It is rare that Germany is governed by one party.

The opposition has seats on various committeess and therefore has some influence. Plus there are the states in the Bundesrat that act as checks and balances.

Now, in the U.K. anyone who raises concerns or seeks to curb excessive powers of government gets insulted and called an enemy of the people.
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With respect I can ask any question I like.

The answer according to the latest poll is 36% so 64% want her to go.

She gone yet?
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,774
martcov said:
A bit of wealth does help though.

You missed this on the Reiters site:
MPs ask Hammond and Carney for Brexit impact studies

I would like to know who the losers will be. I suspect I know the winners.
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Helps what? It just means you can spend more. Arguably sit/sleep more comfortably, watch more shit on a better TV.

People & social interaction & fun with food & drink thrown in. That's what makes for a good quality of life. You don't need a strong economy for that. You need a strong economy if you want to make lots of money.

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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,775
Grendel said:
With respect I can ask any question I like.

The answer according to the latest poll is 36% so 64% want her to go.

She gone yet?
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Yes. You can but if you want a sensible answer, you should ask sensible questions.

No. She hasn’t gone yet. Either she resigns, or she loses a vote of confidence, neither of which are on the cards at this moment in time.

Polls don’t decide what happens, votes do. Otherwise Brexit would have been binned by now.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,776
SkyblueBazza said:
Helps what? It just means you can spend more. Arguably sit/sleep more comfortably, watch more shit on a better TV.

People & social interaction & fun with food & drink thrown in. That's what makes for a good quality of life. You don't need a strong economy for that. You need a strong economy if you want to make lots of money.

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You need a strong economy to pay for the infrastructure which allows your food and drink to be brought to you and a NHS to look after you when get old or ill.

Now that our debt is increasing and we are having to do something about the NHS whilst simultaneously paying the EU divorce bill, taking on massive numbers of civil servants, upgrading ports and customs posts, ordering new customs software and probably taking an economic hit as companies downsize their UK operations and our GDP falls. With a no deal situation the BofE will again be forced to try and save the pound and stabilize the economy with billions of credit. Then you will notice that we do need to create wealth.

We take a lot for granted, which will decrease if the country takes a hit for a few years.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,777
SkyblueBazza said:
And by that response...you prove your difficulty understanding simple concepts

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Claiming that the nation wants Brexit is simply not true.
 

Astute

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,778
skybluetony176 said:
I admire him by agreeing with you that he’s a C unit. You must admire him too in that case.
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So why not answer the one question I keep asking.

How did he manage to get the position after what he did and how has he still got the job?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,779
martcov said:
Claiming that the nation wants Brexit is simply not true.
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More than germany want Merkel apparently
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,780
SkyblueBazza said:
Sovereignty...we haven't left yet so no benefit gained.
Economy...read my previous post.
You are hung up on banana's aren't you? Whether it be the curvature or the Banana Republic-like EU.

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The bananas argument comes from the leave side. Apparently that is an example of Brussels imposing it’s will on the U.K..
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,781
Grendel said:
More than germany want Merkel apparently
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You are comparing a referendum with a government subject to an election every 4 years. Are you implying we should have a referendum every 4 years?

Germany was good at Referendums. 98% 99%. That was really the will of the people. How did they get those results and why did they stop having Referendums if they were so good at it?
 

Astute

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,782
martcov said:
No it didn’t. 17,4 million decided to leave. The rest of the nation are being dragged out, about half the nation against their will.
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Only 16.1m voted to stay in. At the time of the vote the population of the UK was 65.64m

So in other words less than 25% of the population voted to keep us in the EU. You want over 3/4 Of the population to be stuck in the EU when they didn't vote to stay in.

Yes anyone can play with numbers. And you are playing with lower numbers than those who voted to leave.
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,783
Astute said:
So why not answer the one question I keep asking.

How did he manage to get the position after what he did and how has he still got the job?
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I answered that. You ignore the answer and ask Tony.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,784
martcov said:
You are comparing a referendum with a government subject to an election every 4 years. Are you implying we should have a referendum every 4 years?

Germany was good at Referendums. 98% 99%. That was really the will of the people. How did they get those results and why did they stop having Referendums if they were so good at it?
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Nope. To get the referendum only one party offered it and they got a majority beyond all expectations.

The party in the election offering a pro Europe vision was battered into oblivion.

So if it’s elections that matter then the result was the same - a desire to vote on Europe followed by a desire to leave
 
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martcov

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  • Jul 3, 2018
  • #15,785
Astute said:
Only 16.1m voted to stay in. At the time of the vote the population of the UK was 65.64m

So in other words less than 25% of the population voted to keep us in the EU. You want over 3/4 Of the population to be stuck in the EU when they didn't vote to stay in.

Yes anyone can play with numbers. And you are playing with lower numbers than those who voted to leave.
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I am not playing with numbers. The nation is not behind Brexit. It wasn’t on the day leave won and it definitely isn’t now.

Leave won a vote, but they didn’t have the nation behind them. It was a narrow win, not an overwhelming victory.
 
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