I have not defended the UK at all. You do nothing but defend the EU.
Can you argue against this.
So helping refugees is putting them in holding camps?
How did that manifest itself into blackmail?
For a start they got their blackmail money via government investment in Northern Ireland to get their support in a support agreement. I said tail wagging the dog, in this case on the Northern Ireland border issue, and in Germany the CSU is wagging the dog on the Southern German border issue.
The one thing you always ignore is somehow the German population has stayed steady. The UK population has shot up. England is now one of the most densely populated countries in the world.
Freedom of movement in its current guise will be gone in the near future. Even Merkel and her Brussels side kicks have too many holes to plug now.
Please provide some evidence that there was a consensus in the uk government to adopt a recommendation from Ireland as its proposal and the DUP changed this.
Show me the cabinet minutes as I assume you are in possession of them.
The usual suspects in Germany are the AfD that you say are not a problem. Now other parties have to show willing to stop them getting even more of the vote.Detention centres? Well if there are to be no open borders and they are not going to go back, then what else can you do with refugees? I await your solution. Merkel tried to help them by allowing uncontrolled immigration at her borders. The usual suspects fanned the flames of racism. The right are now in a position to exercise leverage. So what other solution do you propose?
They land in 3 countries mainly. Of course the other 11 can take the kudos for nothing. Just like the Austrian PM said....They will only land there if they come by parachute.
And France and Germany wants nothing to do with helping them. They have publicly said so. They would prefer to close their borders.
And you didn't see it coming?Hope not. It would set us back years and would cost a fortune to control.
But Seehofer holds weight. He has those who you say mean nothing backing him. It is getting bad although you won't admit it. Merkel is not strong these days. There are major problems ahead. Where they first register? That is why they are stranded in Italy, Greece and Spain.It is not where the refugees land though... it is where they are first registered. Seehofer wants to turn back refugees registered elsewhere when they arrive in Germany. That is not the majority.
The usual suspects in Germany are the AfD that you say are not a problem. Now other parties have to show willing to stop them getting even more of the vote.
So you always say that open borders are the way to go. It saves time at borders. But borders are closing.
It isn't as simple as changing just one or two things. Priority should be given to those who need help. But it is given to those who have the right passport. And I have said the same thing countless times. If we need fruit pickers as you say we need we should have those who have escaped persecution to fill in. If we need skilled workers it should be open to anyone in the world. If you go somewhere that is through choice and not necessity you should be able to provide the proof that you are self sufficient.
But no. Not in the EU. You can be an economic migrant if you have an EU passport. But the plan is now to lock you up if you need help and you are from outside the EU.
Crazy idea?Wrong as usual. You have 3 months to be self sufficient in EU countries as an EU citizen. If not you can be deported.
Not everyone can work as a fruit picker and what happens after the season? A 70 year old refugee from Aleppo would be no help under your idea. What would his children and grand children do? Crazy idea.
Quick question. If you removed the 3,5 million EU “economic migrants” as you call them, what would happen to the UK economy seeing as there are only 1 million plus unemployed people in the UK? It obviously isn’t just skilled people that we need. Sounds like more Faragisms in your ideas.
Being locked up whilst your case is evaluated and a place for you is found.
Just read what the DUP have said on the subject. Arlene Foster made it very clear that they would never accept a sea border. That’s it end of story. Why do I need to see what the government said? The tail has spoken and the dog is trying to find a way round a hard border without having a sea border.
And you didn't see it coming?
What is the difference between an EU economic migrant and a non EU economic migrant? After all they are human beings who want the same thing.
So they want to go to Germany, France or the UK. Germany and France are easy if open borders are in use. So many will try. Just like many try daily to get to the UK when there is even more sea to get across.
Open borders are a great idea on paper. But in reality it is totally different.
Crazy idea?
OK. So no more EU economic migrants who are not of work age then? Of course it is as stupid as your comment.
So what? It’s evidence of nothing. Of course you’d have to see what a government uk view is - no one knows if foster stated she’d refuse to back the government on any other measure and bring it down or if the government wanted a sea border in the first place (which is highly unlikely) so as usual you made an assumption with zero factual evidence.
Why did Davis the try and deny that had signed up to a backstop sea border? Why is May trying to get the cabinet agree to collect duties for the EU as an alternative to a sea border? The factual evidence is that Arlene Foster said no way and May is looking for an alternative. They signed up to a backstop sea border.
There is no evidence and it may have escaped your notice but the Brexit legislation will go through parliament without any dup support - well it clearly has escaped your attention
Even if it means giving freedom of movement to those who you don't want to have freedom of movement?The FOM is reciprocal and we live in Europe so can take advantage of it if we wish. ‘They” have to get into Schengen first. Then “they” can travel freely, but are supposed to be staying where they are registered. As they are not locked up, it is difficult to have complete control.
Open borders is even better in practice. A fantastic achievement. There is no great incentive to do away with it.
What was Arlene Foster‘s 11th hour intervention all about then?
Freedom of movement in its current guise will be gone in the near future. Even Merkel and her Brussels side kicks have too many holes to plug now.
Please provide some evidence that there was a consensus in the uk government to adopt a recommendation from Ireland as its proposal and the DUP changed this.
Show me the cabinet minutes as I assume you are in possession of them.
Much in the same way that the EU was on the verge of collapse and Austria, France and Holland would be following Britain's example? Oh, and how Labour were supposed to be wiped out for a generation after the last election?
The government and the wider British public couldn't give a toss about NI. I'm sure May would be more than happy for the north to be alligned with the Republic.
No I never gave it s thought when voting and wouldn’t now. They are wider considerations at stake
I don’t think under Eu rules they are allowed to join the republic are they? Guess they could go independent for two years and then see if they can apply for EU status. Seems to have frightened the Scots off.
Either that or they accept the solution that’s ultimately agreed.
No I never gave it s thought when voting and wouldn’t now. They are wider considerations at stake
I don’t think under Eu rules they are allowed to join the republic are they? Guess they could go independent for two years and then see if they can apply for EU status. Seems to have frightened the Scots off.
Either that or they accept the solution that’s ultimately agreed.
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Austrian troops are already on the Italian border aren’t they?
The usual suspects in Germany are the AfD that you say are not a problem. Now other parties have to show willing to stop them getting even more of the vote.
So you always say that open borders are the way to go. It saves time at borders. But borders are closing.
It isn't as simple as changing just one or two things. Priority should be given to those who need help. But it is given to those who have the right passport. And I have said the same thing countless times. If we need fruit pickers as you say we need we should have those who have escaped persecution to fill in. If we need skilled workers it should be open to anyone in the world. If you go somewhere that is through choice and not necessity you should be able to provide the proof that you are self sufficient.
But no. Not in the EU. You can be an economic migrant if you have an EU passport. But the plan is now to lock you up if you need help and you are from outside the EU.
Merkel always said the refugees were welcome and should be shared with other EU countries. It didn’t happen ( strange as you claim the EU is run by Merkel ), so she has been weakened and has little option but to take what she can out of it. Which she is doing. 14 countries have agreed to take back refugees who were first registered in their country. This is to stop refugees deciding which country they want to stay in. The Dublin agreement is the country where they were first registered. That is the rule and the CSU wants that enforced or they will bring the government down. A bit like the DUP situation in the U.K. The tail is wagging the dog.
They were last summer,not sure about now. That doesn't mean FoM is under threat for Europeans.
Any news on the acceptable solution?
Merkel says this…Merkel wants that…
Does anyone really care what she says or wants anymore?
Most of Europe couldn’t give a toss what Merkel says or wants and an ever increasing percentage of your fellow Germans feel the same, they despise her. Her credibility is gone, shot to pieces, she’s an object of ridicule.
It does seem ironic that the woman who most blame for the disastrous migrant crisis has the brass neck to now lecture European leaders on how they must deal with the mess.
Her time has gone. Good riddance.
Merkel says this…Merkel wants that…
Does anyone really care what she says or wants anymore?
Most of Europe couldn’t give a toss what Merkel says or wants and an ever increasing percentage of your fellow Germans feel the same, they despise her. Her authority is gone, shot to pieces, she’s an object of ridicule.
It does seem ironic that the woman who most blame for the disastrous migrant crisis has the brass neck to now lecture European leaders on how they must deal with the mess.
Her time has gone. Good riddance.
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