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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (11 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,246
Grendel said:
Again the fact you use such a reviled figure shows how out of touch you are
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In what way was he wrong in this case?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,247
martcov said:
No, but you are using rich people as examples for your cause, so I used another one. Mandelson does actually know what he is talking about as regards the EU ( European Trade Commissioner), rather than someone involved in fracking sounding off because he doesn’t like pesky environmental regulations.
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You said Mandelson kniws what he is doing. He certainly did when he kept breaking the rules.

Rich person? Self made richest person in the UK. No silver spoon.

Then you have Mandelson. Lost his position at least twice for trying to hide financial matters.

So what is Mandelson worth and where did he get it from.
 

Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,248
martcov said:
Is he right on this though?
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No.
 

Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,249
martcov said:
Seems to be coping though. More than just about managing.
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Coping? But you compared him with a businessman who came from nothing to be the richest person in the UK. It shows how desperate you are sometimes to try and hide the truth.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,250
So Mandelson or.....

Jim Ratcliffe: Turning cast-offs into gold
 
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martcov

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,251
Astute said:
Coping? But you compared him with a businessman who came from nothing to be the richest person in the UK. It shows how desperate you are sometimes to try and hide the truth.
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What truth?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,252
Astute said:
So Mandelson or.....

Jim Ratcliffe: Turning cast-offs into gold
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In this, the quote from Mandelson, Mandelson.

But the track record from Ratcliffe is fantastic.
 
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martcov

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,253
Astute said:
No.
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Yes.
Astute said:
Coping? But you compared him with a businessman who came from nothing to be the richest person in the UK. It shows how desperate you are sometimes to try and hide the truth.
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Was sarcasm.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,254
This is the guy who wants to rape the British countryside with fracking isn’t it?
British firm Ineos accused of ‘bribes and bulldozers’ approach to fracking

I wonder why he wants brexit?
A Brexit would lead to a 'fracking free-for-all'
 
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martcov

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,255
skybluetony176 said:
This is the guy who wants to rape the British countryside with fracking isn’t it?
British firm Ineos accused of ‘bribes and bulldozers’ approach to fracking

I wonder why he wants brexit?
A Brexit would lead to a 'fracking free-for-all'
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Exactly. My first thought- without knowing this.

Anti regulations in order to maximize profits.

Exactly against what is probably best for the environment and voters. Including the leave voters who worship these people.
 
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martcov

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,256
skybluetony176 said:
This is the guy who wants to rape the British countryside with fracking isn’t it?
British firm Ineos accused of ‘bribes and bulldozers’ approach to fracking

I wonder why he wants brexit?
A Brexit would lead to a 'fracking free-for-all'
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Oh look:

( from above link )

„And the same opinions have been stated by many of the most prominent Leave campaigners. Boris Johnson has said that “no stone should be left untracked” and decisions to allow fracking under national parks have been supported by Michael Gove.“

Even the minister of the environment is up for fracking in national parks...
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,257
martcov said:
Oh look:

( from above link )

„And the same opinions have been stated by many of the most prominent Leave campaigners. Boris Johnson has said that “no stone should be left untracked” and decisions to allow fracking under national parks have been supported by Michael Gove.“

Even the minister of the environment is up for fracking in national parks...
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There are tons of stories about this guy, his company and the fracking industry in general attempting to exploit Brexit. The second article is interesting regarding the finances of fracking liking the industry to a Ponzi scheme. Strange role model.

Fracking giants grasp for dirty Brexit bonanza

Exposing the economic lies behind the fracking hype

Brexit has led to shift in tone on fracking, says Ineos boss

Chemicals giant Ineos 'exploited Brexit to pressure government to get rid of environmental protections'
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,258
Oh yes. Somebody who certainly knows about business only wants out of the EU because his companies would do better.....so lets find someone who has said something against him. And it just happens to be a pro EU paper.

http://www.foeeurope.org/EU-fracking-guidelines-fail-to-protect-citizens-071015

So how could leaving the EU make it easier?
 
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Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,259
skybluetony176 said:
There are tons of stories about this guy, his company and the fracking industry in general attempting to exploit Brexit. The second article is interesting regarding the finances of fracking liking the industry to a Ponzi scheme. Strange role model.

Fracking giants grasp for dirty Brexit bonanza

Exposing the economic lies behind the fracking hype

Brexit has led to shift in tone on fracking, says Ineos boss

Chemicals giant Ineos 'exploited Brexit to pressure government to get rid of environmental protections'
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And how about yesterday's debacle from you?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,260
Until recently he was a Tax exile in Switzerland and his business still mainly is.

Ineos billionaire comes home
 
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Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,261
skybluetony176 said:
Until recently he was a Tax exile in Switzerland and his business still mainly is.

Ineos billionaire comes home
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So strangely enough a major amount of tax will be raised by tax raised on corporation tax....as said not to be true by some on here......dropping by a third.

Isn't it good when someone puts a link up that proves them wrong :smuggrin:
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,262
Astute said:
So strangely enough a major amount of tax will be raised by tax raised on corporation tax....as said not to be true by some on here......dropping by a third.

Isn't it good when someone puts a link up that proves them wrong :smuggrin:
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He avoided paying hundreds of millions of pounds in this country by moving his company headquarters to Switzerland. Put the fracking controversy to one side for a moment this is someone who you want us to believe knows what’s best for the country. Clearly all he’s interested in is what’s best for him.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,263
Astute said:
And how about yesterday's debacle from you?
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Is that the one where you thought the EU is a continent?
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,264
Exposed: Ineos links to Paradise Papers firm | HeraldScotland

More links to tax avoidance
 
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Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,265
skybluetony176 said:
Is that the one where you thought the EU is a continent?
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You compared the EU against single countries elsewhere. Yes another fair comparison by yourself to make the EU look strong.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,266
This might help explain how he got so rich

Ineos tax deal sparks fury as firm plans move to Switzerland
 
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Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,267
skybluetony176 said:
Exposed: Ineos links to Paradise Papers firm | HeraldScotland

More links to tax avoidance
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But with reduced tax it is now going to be paid here. But you won't admit that others and myself were right are you?
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,268
Astute said:
You compared the EU against single countries elsewhere. Yes another fair comparison by yourself to make the EU look strong.
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The whole world sees the EU as a single trading bloc. The brexit campaign sees it as the same and based it’s major argument to leave. You think it’s a continent. Enough said really.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,269
skybluetony176 said:
This might help explain how he got so rich

Ineos tax deal sparks fury as firm plans move to Switzerland
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Yet you stick up for Juncker for setting up deals like this.

It is either right or wrong. If it is wrong then Juncker should pay for his actions.

But Juncker is the EU. So he is OK setting up tax evasion. It is only those who took advantage of the type of tax evasion that he set up that are guilty?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,270
Astute said:
But with reduced tax it is now going to be paid here. But you won't admit that others and myself were right are you?
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What we know of is going to have tax paid on it. You clearly know as much about the paradise papers as you do continents. The paradise papers are about hiding money so you don’t have to pay tax on it. Anywhere. It’s tax avoidance to the extreme.
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,271
Astute said:
Yet you stick up for Juncker for setting up deals like this.

It is either right or wrong. If it is wrong then Juncker should pay for his actions.

But Juncker is the EU. So he is OK setting up tax evasion. It is only those who took advantage of the type of tax evasion that he set up that are guilty?
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I haven’t stuck up for junker once. Anything else you want to make up?
 
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martcov

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,272
Astute said:
But with reduced tax it is now going to be paid here. But you won't admit that others and myself were right are you?
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He is the classic Brexiteer. His money stashed elsewhere, dodgy business practices, wants strike rights of workers curtailed, tax havens, Paradise papers, environmentally unfriendly fracking....

Exactly the type of person working against The interests of voters, including leave voters who was described by Mandelson, and you said Mandelson was wrong.

No doubt he would describe the Lords as unpatriotic enemies of the people.
 

Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,273
skybluetony176 said:
The whole world sees the EU as a single trading bloc. The brexit campaign sees it as the same and based it’s major argument to leave. You think it’s a continent. Enough said really.
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The EU countries trade were separate to see. But you used the figures which had them lumped together.
 
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martcov

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,274
skybluetony176 said:
What we know of is going to have tax paid on it. You clearly know as much about the paradise papers as you do continents. The paradise papers are about hiding money so you don’t have to pay tax on it. Anywhere. It’s tax avoidance to the extreme.
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He is only bringing part of his companies back - to focus on fracking. May help getting licenses.

The rest remain in a holding company on Switzerland.
 

Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,275
skybluetony176 said:
I haven’t stuck up for junker once. Anything else you want to make up?
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So should he stand aside so his shady deals can be looked at like many in the EU want to do?

Of course not. But you want to hang those who took advantage of the tax dodges he made available.

I say look into them all.
 

Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,276
martcov said:
He is only bringing part of his companies back - to focus on fracking. May help getting licenses.

The rest remain in a holding company on Switzerland.
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That is bollox. Try reading without prejudice for once.
 

Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,277
martcov said:
He is the classic Brexiteer. His money stashed elsewhere, dodgy business practices, wants strike rights of workers curtailed, tax havens, Paradise papers, environmentally unfriendly fracking....

Exactly the type of person working against The interests of voters, including leave voters who was described by Mandelson, and you said Mandelson was wrong.

No doubt he would describe the Lords as unpatriotic enemies of the people.
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The sort of companies Juncker helped. But you see Juncker as innocent and not to be looked into. And then you look at the position he holds now......
 

Grendel

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,278
martcov said:
He is the classic Brexiteer. His money stashed elsewhere, dodgy business practices, wants strike rights of workers curtailed, tax havens, Paradise papers, environmentally unfriendly fracking....

Exactly the type of person working against The interests of voters, including leave voters who was described by Mandelson, and you said Mandelson was wrong.

No doubt he would describe the Lords as unpatriotic enemies of the people.
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He sounds like Donald Tusk.

He ticks all those boxes doesn’t he?
 
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Astute

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  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,279
Grendel said:
He sounds like Donald Tusk.

He ticks all those boxes doesn’t he?
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But he is a big part of running the EU so he is allowed to do as he likes.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 13, 2018
  • #14,280
How our taxpayer-rescued banks helped INEOS escape UK taxes

This is a good read also
 
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