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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (8 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Astute

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  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,301
Sick Boy said:
I would say so, presumably you don't.

“islam is a cancer that needs eradicating multiculturism does not work in this country clear them all off to the desert with their camals that’s their way of life.”

“I visiting the city of Birmingham recently and felt like a foreigner in the city of my birth, all around me I could hear the sound of jabbering in an alien voice … we also have the Pakistani’ and the Somali’s. Tell me Mr Cameron Why? the men wear their Pyjamas.”
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The BNP were and are mainly serious racists. UKIP was all about getting out of the EU. But they picked up racists along the way. But we all know that.

There is no place for the BNP. And there is now no need for UKIP.

And I find it very strange that those who attack UKIP on here find excuses fir the racist parties throughout the EU.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,302
skybluetony176 said:
The JLR statement didn’t blame brexit in isolation but then again I’ve never suggested it did. You said it has nothing to do with Brexit. All I’ve actually done is point out is that it says it has something to do with Brexit.
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And I ask you yet again. What has it git to do with Brexit. Because nothing was mentioned. It is all about your beloved EU and the rules that they have brought in throughout the EU countries. But you can't bring yourself to admit to it.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,303
Astute said:
The BNP were and are mainly serious racists. UKIP was all about getting out of the EU. But they picked up racists along the way. But we all know that.

There is no place for the BNP. And there is now no need for UKIP.

And I find it very strange that those who attack UKIP on here find excuses fir the racist parties throughout the EU.
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Hahaha who on here attacks UKIP and then makes excuses for racist parties? I spoke out against the racist La Lega Nord who were in an alliance with UKIP. There's a definite crossover between the BNP and UKIP, hence why they went after their voters.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,304
Sick Boy said:
Hahaha who on here attacks UKIP and then makes excuses for racist parties? I spoke out against the racist La Lega Nord who were in an alliance with UKIP. There's a definite crossover between the BNP and UKIP, hence why they went after their voters.
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The BNP voters had a bigger voice with UKIP. As I have said UKIP also had minorities and even those who had come here to live vote for them. Yet they are said to be a racist party by some. Of course some are. Just like they are in the Conservatives and Labour


Rustie Lee



Former TV chef Rustie asked, ‘If you had a six-bedroom house, and it only took 50 people, would you put 100 people in it?’

So is she racist? She must be as she voted for UKIP. And she wanted out the EU.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,305
skybluetony176 said:
Well the article you linked that you told me would educate me said says JLR job losses. Either you or the article are incorrect as you contradict each other. I let you decide which way around it is as it’s doesn’t bother me either way.

The JLR statement didn’t blame brexit in isolation but then again I’ve never suggested it did. You said it has nothing to do with Brexit. All I’ve actually done is point out is that it says it has something to do with Brexit. Again, either your statement or the JLR statement is incorrect as you contradict each other. Again I’ll let you decide which as it doesn’t bother me either way.

All I’ve done is point out the contradictions between your opinions and a statement from your employer and an article that you’ve linked. It’s all there in black and white.
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It didn’t blame Brexit at all Tony. What do you think of the other JLR employees comment on it?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,306
Astute said:
The BNP voters had a bigger voice with UKIP. As I have said UKIP also had minorities and even those who had come here to live vote for them. Yet they are said to be a racist party by some. Of course some are. Just like they are in the Conservatives and Labour


Rustie Lee



Former TV chef Rustie asked, ‘If you had a six-bedroom house, and it only took 50 people, would you put 100 people in it?’

So is she racist? She must be as she voted for UKIP. And she wanted out the EU.
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No doubt you think the EDL aren't racist as they have/had a Hindu member.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,307
Sick Boy said:
No doubt you think the EDL aren't racist as they have/had a Hindu member.
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I’m only aware of one person on here whose openly admitted to voting UKIP and fervently defended then against accusations of racism
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,308
Astute said:
The BNP were and are mainly serious racists. UKIP was all about getting out of the EU. But they picked up racists along the way. But we all know that.

There is no place for the BNP. And there is now no need for UKIP.

And I find it very strange that those who attack UKIP on here find excuses fir the racist parties throughout the EU.
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There were NF members and campaign managers in UKIP alongside, in his youth NF fan, Farage from the start. And yes they picked up more racists from BNP and the general public as they became more organised and successful.

UKIP was a racist party, or a collecting point for racists, that wanted out of the EU, partly on anti migration policies and partly on economic policies. The core was and is racist. Farage’s famous „Breaking Point“ Poster was a copy, in Format, of an infamous Nazi Poster portraying the arrival of Eastern Eurpeans including Jews. A part of the more rabid UKIP membership has split to „For Britain“. They are at least honest in admitting their islamophobic and anti immigrant views.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,309
Astute said:
The BNP voters had a bigger voice with UKIP. As I have said UKIP also had minorities and even those who had come here to live vote for them. Yet they are said to be a racist party by some. Of course some are. Just like they are in the Conservatives and Labour


Rustie Lee



Former TV chef Rustie asked, ‘If you had a six-bedroom house, and it only took 50 people, would you put 100 people in it?’

So is she racist? She must be as she voted for UKIP. And she wanted out the EU.
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I suspect that she is in a smaller minority in UKIP than in labour. I am sure that UKIP has some decent people, but doubt they have much say. Their newly elected leader ( Führer ) is a known islamophobe. I doubt whether Rustie Lee would get to the top in UKIP.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,310
Sick Boy said:
No doubt you think the EDL aren't racist as they have/had a Hindu member.
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Why not go on about Labour as they will have many more racists. The Tories are the same.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,311
martcov said:
There were NF members and campaign managers in UKIP alongside, in his youth NF fan, Farage from the start. And yes they picked up more racists from BNP and the general public as they became more organised and successful.

UKIP was a racist party, or a collecting point for racists, that wanted out of the EU, partly on anti migration policies and partly on economic policies. The core was and is racist. Farage’s famous „Breaking Point“ Poster was a copy, in Format, of an infamous Nazi Poster portraying the arrival of Eastern Eurpeans including Jews. A part of the more rabid UKIP membership has split to „For Britain“. They are at least honest in admitting their islamophobic and anti immigrant views.
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Do you mean like Labour and their anti Jew views?

Does that make all Labour voters racist?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,312
Astute said:
Do you mean like Labour and their anti Jew views?

Does that make all Labour voters racist?
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No, I have never said all labour voters are racist, but UKIP is far more racist than labour....

'No dogs. No blacks. No Irish' is now Ukip policy
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,313
martcov said:
No, I have never said all labour voters are racist, but UKIP is far more racist than labour....

'No dogs. No blacks. No Irish' is now Ukip policy
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You make out that UKIP voters are racist. Most voted as they wanted out of the EU. Now there is no use of voting for them it will become a more racist party. That is why their vote has disappeared.

I didn't say you said Labour voters are racist. I said the opposite. And it is the same for the Tories. But you will agree on that as you don't seem to like Tories and only attack who you don't like and defend who you do like.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,314
Grendel said:
It didn’t blame Brexit at all Tony. What do you think of the other JLR employees comment on it?
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I copied and pasted the section from the statement for you where it says that it has something to do with Brexit. Who do you think you’re kidding aside from yourself and astute with your ignorant denial of what the JLR statement says?

Well I’m sure you can tell all the JLR executives on Monday that they’re wrong and it has nothing to do with Brexit while cleaning the executive toilets. Fresh cakes, that’s the Grendull difference.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,315
martcov said:
New UKIP leader announces plans to quit

UKIP‘s latest leader. Gerard Batten.

I found this old blog describing him:

Gerard - BATTEN MEP: UKIP MEP Gerard Batten is a laughing stock

The writer stood for election as UKIP candidate and then saw their lies and corruption. He is still a leave fanatic, but has nothing more to with UKIP.
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Who really cares?

Are you making the automatic assumption that those that voted for Brexit are all sympathetic to UKIP? Personally, I would be more inclined to suggest that UKIP & Brexit voters in general simply had sympathy for the same end.

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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,316
martcov said:
Only difference being that the rant from someone in the know who had worked for them in Brussels. Just showing the character of UKIP who hopefully will vanish back to being a small right wing party as BNP was.

I don’t like any of them.
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The most well-connected Pub Landlord ever.

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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,317
skybluetony176 said:
I copied and pasted the section from the statement for you where it says that it has something to do with Brexit. Who do you think you’re kidding aside from yourself and astute with your ignorant denial of what the JLR statement says?

Well I’m sure you can tell all the JLR executives on Monday that they’re wrong and it has nothing to do with Brexit while cleaning the executive toilets. Fresh cakes, that’s the Grendull difference.
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Jaguar Land Rover's diesel dependency
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,318
skybluetony176 said:
I copied and pasted the section from the statement for you where it says that it has something to do with Brexit. Who do you think you’re kidding aside from yourself and astute with your ignorant denial of what the JLR statement says?

Well I’m sure you can tell all the JLR executives on Monday that they’re wrong and it has nothing to do with Brexit while cleaning the executive toilets. Fresh cakes, that’s the Grendull difference.
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Why don’t you answer the question Tony or are you frightened of the potential headwinds you may receive? It’s only you and Martcov who thinks Brexit is a factor isn’t it Tony?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,319
Astute said:
Jaguar Land Rover's diesel dependency
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That’s all covered in the JLR statement that you can read in full here

Jaguar Land Rover 'to cut 1,000 jobs' - live updates

Along with the part of the statement that says it has something to do with Brexit. As I’ve repeatedly pointed out.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,320
skybluetony176 said:
That’s all covered in the JLR statement that you can read in full here

Jaguar Land Rover 'to cut 1,000 jobs' - live updates

Along with the part of the statement that says it has something to do with Brexit. As I’ve repeatedly pointed out.
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How many job losses are due to Brexit Tony?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,321
Grendel said:
Why don’t you answer the question Tony or are you frightened of the potential headwinds you may receive? It’s only you and Martcov who thinks Brexit is a factor isn’t it Tony?
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Me, Mart and the people who employ you. Maybe you think that JLR are lying in the statement. Maybe you haven’t read it, maybe you’re an idiot.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,322
skybluetony176 said:
Me, Mart and the people who employ you. Maybe you think that JLR are lying in the statement. Maybe you haven’t read it, maybe you’re an idiot.
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Why don’t you comment on the other employees comments Tony? What’s your opinion on what he said. Is it because you can’t see the wood from the trees Tony or is it you don’t want to?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,323
Grendel said:
How many job losses are due to Brexit Tony?
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JLR haven’t said that job losses are due to any one factor as you know. It’s down to a number of factors as per the statement they released.

One question. Are you able to handle the toilet cakes unsupervised or are they afraid that you’ll think they are sweets?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,324
Grendel said:
Why don’t you comment on the other employees comments Tony? What’s your opinion on what he said. Is it because you can’t see the wood from the trees Tony or is it you don’t want to?
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Did other employees write the JLR statement? Are you saying that they can’t see the wood for the trees?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,325
skybluetony176 said:
Me, Mart and the people who employ you. Maybe you think that JLR are lying in the statement. Maybe you haven’t read it, maybe you’re an idiot.
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But Mart disagreed with you on what is happening with diesels. Diesel sales are down 37%. JLR are 90% diesel.

And here is another link. So who is right. Thecarexpert or Tonyexpert?

Collapsing car sales – is the car industry in crisis? | The Car Expert
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,326
skybluetony176 said:
Did other employees write the JLR statement? Are you saying that they can’t see the wood for the trees?
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Lots of people make statements Tony.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,327
martcov said:
No, I have never said all labour voters are racist, but UKIP is far more racist than labour....

'No dogs. No blacks. No Irish' is now Ukip policy
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Very emotionally provocative title. Did Farage actually use that (book title by John Lydon) phrase? I dont know tbh. However, It doesnt take long searching to find that Labour & Tories only differ from Farage (although I thought that like Brown he was history too now?) in the choice of words.

Are Irish considered foreigners in the UK? - Irish World

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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,328
skybluetony176 said:
Did other employees write the JLR statement? Are you saying that they can’t see the wood for the trees?
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Well you can't.

Or are you saying that diesel sales are not diwn 37% and JLR are 90% diesel?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,329
Grendel said:
Lots of people make statements Tony.
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And Tony makes lots of statements that we know are not true. Like just now.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,330
Astute said:
But Mart disagreed with you on what is happening with diesels. Diesel sales are down 37%. JLR are 90% diesel.

And here is another link. So who is right. Thecarexpert or Tonyexpert?

Collapsing car sales – is the car industry in crisis? | The Car Expert
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Really? What did I say on what’s happening with diesels then? Have I actually expressed an opinion on it? Don’t think I have have I. Like I’ve already pointed out to you all I’ve done is point out what has actually been said in a statement by JLR.

Neither you or Grendull have asked for my opinion on diesels and I haven’t offered one. So no expert opinion from me for you even to suggest that Tonyexpert knows better than Carexpert. Try reading what I’ve actually posted before you start making wild exaggerated allegations of what I’ve said and done.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,331
skybluetony176 said:
Really? What did I say on what’s happening with diesels then? Have I actually expressed an opinion on it? Don’t think I have have I. Like I’ve already pointed out to you all I’ve done is point out what has actually been said in a statement by JLR.

Neither you or Grendull have asked for my opinion on diesels and I haven’t offered one. So no expert opinion from me for you even to suggest that Tonyexpert knows better than Carexpert. Try reading what I’ve actually posted before you start making wild exaggerated allegations of what I’ve said and done.
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Why are you only mentioning astute and me when every other poster whose contributed thinks you are wrong?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,332
skybluetony176 said:
Really? What did I say on what’s happening with diesels then? Have I actually expressed an opinion on it? Don’t think I have have I. Like I’ve already pointed out to you all I’ve done is point out what has actually been said in a statement by JLR.

Neither you or Grendull have asked for my opinion on diesels and I haven’t offered one. So no expert opinion from me for you even to suggest that Tonyexpert knows better than Carexpert. Try reading what I’ve actually posted before you start making wild exaggerated allegations of what I’ve said and done.
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You blamed it.on Brexit. Or you said they blamed it on Brexit. Yet you either can't or won't say why Brexit is to blame.

So what in the statement blamed Brexit like you are trying to make out?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,333
Grendel said:
Why are you only mentioning astute and me when every other poster whose contributed thinks you are wrong?
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Because he normally agrees with the others.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,334
Grendel said:
Lots of people make statements Tony.
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Did JLR employees write the JLR statement that states the decision has something to do with Brexit? Maybe BMW wrote it for JLR.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 15, 2018
  • #13,335
skybluetony176 said:
Did JLR employees write the JLR statement that states the decision has something to do with Brexit? Maybe BMW wrote it for JLR.
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They didn’t say it was anything to do with Brexit Tony
 
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