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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (23 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Apr 3, 2018
  • #13,196
martcov said:
Which is a pity because he’s talking sense at the moment.
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You mean his talk complies with your unbiased view? Laughable!

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Apr 3, 2018
  • #13,197
Astute said:
You do seem to be clueless at times.

The Tories will do what they need to stay in power. You would disagree until I remind you how the Brexit vote came about. Then you would change the subject.

Nearly all politicians are the same. This includes Tories, Labour and those on the EU gravy train. They want what is best for them. We are just the idiots they lie to so they can lie to us even more. The best liar becomes PM unless they put someone in they expect to get shot to pieces.
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Cynical...but far too much evidence from the past to dispute with any confidence

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Apr 3, 2018
  • #13,198
fernandopartridge said:
Another EU cheerleader doing as Brussels wants. Sod the people and workers:

French rail workers stage 'Black Tuesday' protests against overhaul
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Danish public services employees are on strike 6-10th April over pay & pensions I believe. Strong support for it too apparently. Watch with interest to see which side caves in first.

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Astute

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  • Apr 3, 2018
  • #13,199
Sick Boy said:
Support for EU rises in Denmark as consequences of Brexit become clear

They must have lost the memo along with France, Austria and Holland.
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I suppose 1 out of 27 isn't bad.....
 
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Astute

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  • Apr 4, 2018
  • #13,200
Damned Brexit stopping investment from EU countries

Vauxhall's van plant in Luton to see substantial production boost | This is Money
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 12, 2018
  • #13,201
Is martcov alright?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Apr 12, 2018
  • #13,202
fernandopartridge said:
Is martcov alright?
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He has probably been holding this breath for too long waiting for the good news.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 12, 2018
  • #13,203
fernandopartridge said:
Is martcov alright?
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Don’t mention right and Martcov in the same sentence please
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,204
Grendel said:
Don’t mention right and Martcov in the same sentence please
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That woke me up...... I needed a hypocritical Grendel comment to wake me. Been very busy packing for my first outdoor event of 2018. Hope it's good, want some pocket money for the UK. I hope to get to Cheltenham ... if I can get a ticket.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,205
Astute said:
Vauxhall's van plant in Luton to see substantial production boost | This is Money
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Jaguar Land Rover to cut 1,000 jobs after 'slump due to Brexit'
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,206
This is a comment which explains that PSA are aiming at supplying the home market as well as export:

"The big companies like the gas, electric, water and telecommunications companies have vast fleets of vans which are replaced regularly, it's estimated that fleet sales of vans is around 40,000 per year. Ford made a big mistake in moving their transit production line from Southampton to Turkey, UK companies want UK built vans and spares available the next day."

Read more: Vauxhall's van plant in Luton to see substantial production boost | This is Money
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Good move. It is good news whatever the reasons.
 

Astute

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,207
chiefdave said:
Jaguar Land Rover to cut 1,000 jobs after 'slump due to Brexit'
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Bloody hell. Mart is alive :smuggrin:

EU rules are bringing an end of diesel engines. The bigger the car the more the maker will suffer. Have you seen hiw much diesel sales are down? And who wants a big car with a big petrol engine? But yes like everything else it is the fault of Brexit.
 

Astute

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,208
martcov said:
Ford made a big mistake in moving their transit production line from Southampton to Turkey, UK companies want UK built vans and spares available the next day."
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So why is the production for export being made in Luton?
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,209
Astute said:
So why is the production for export being made in Luton?
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I assume because they have a starter home market guaranteeing sales whatever happens after Brexit and therefore they can take a punt. We are still in the EU for the next nearly 3 years. And, maybe we are BRINO for the foreseeable future after that anyway. If so, it is worth a punt... as they say.
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,210
chiefdave said:
Jaguar Land Rover to cut 1,000 jobs after 'slump due to Brexit'
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It's alright Dave they're only temps, brought in and got rid of without a second thought. If Brexit is about getting our country back I assume employment agencies will become a thing of the past and people will be able to go out and get a proper job again, employed by the company rather than a third party.
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,211
Astute said:
Bloody hell. Mart is alive :smuggrin:

EU rules are bringing an end of diesel engines. The bigger the car the more the maker will suffer. Have you seen hiw much diesel sales are down? And who wants a big car with a big petrol engine? But yes like everything else it is the fault of Brexit.
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I am a fan of diesel cars. I have a Land Rover Discovery. I need it for towing and it needs less maintenance than a petrol and produces less CO2. The thing is a bit strange. I live in a city in a fjord which is expecting a record number of cruise ships this year. We also have a Nitrogen Oxide problem because a major road runs through a residential area.

We are one of the top cities for this, although we are a windy city ( city motto = Sailing City ). Diesel cars are being blamed, but the ships in the harbour are belching out all kinds of crap. Even if we do away with Diesels, we will still have the cruise ships. The cruise ships bring in millions through the tourists.

There are some proposals for reducing air pollution including banning diesels from the main artery roads and making public transport free for everyone. Public transport would have to find more staff and increase the fleet to cope with the extra demand. The central government will have to pay towards this if they ban diesels.

Firms will still be able to use vans and trucks in the city under present proposals.

So, I don't know what is going to happen if they want to ban Diesel cars. What about the ships in the harbours for a start?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,212
Johnnythespider said:
It's alright Dave they're only temps, brought in and got rid of without a second thought. If Brexit is about getting our country back I assume employment agencies will become a thing of the past and people will be able to go out and get a proper job again, employed by the company rather than a third party.
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Is that Tory policy or wishful thinking?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,213
Astute said:
So why is the production for export being made in Luton?
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Sure I read somewhere that it’s the only facility in the group with enough spare capacity to paint vehicles of that size. Hence it’s not closing. The investment to replace it on the continent doesn’t stack up. Luckily for the employees at that plant.
 

Astute

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,214
martcov said:
I am a fan of diesel cars. I have a Land Rover Discovery. I need it for towing and it needs less maintenance than a petrol and produces less CO2. The thing is a bit strange. I live in a city in a fjord which is expecting a record number of cruise ships this year. We also have a Nitrogen Oxide problem because a major road runs through a residential area.

We are one of the top cities for this, although we are a windy city ( city motto = Sailing City ). Diesel cars are being blamed, but the ships in the harbour are belching out all kinds of crap. Even if we do away with Diesels, we will still have the cruise ships. The cruise ships bring in millions through the tourists.

There are some proposals for reducing air pollution including banning diesels from the main artery roads and making public transport free for everyone. Public transport would have to find more staff and increase the fleet to cope with the extra demand. The central government will have to pay towards this if they ban diesels.

Firms will still be able to use vans and trucks in the city under present proposals.

So, I don't know what is going to happen if they want to ban Diesel cars. What about the ships in the harbours for a start?
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Would you buy a Disco petrol?
 

Astute

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,215
skybluetony176 said:
Sure I read somewhere that it’s the only facility in the group with enough spare capacity to paint vehicles of that size. Hence it’s not closing. The investment to replace it on the continent doesn’t stack up. Luckily for the employees at that plant.
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Are you telling me it would have been more expensive to build a paintspraying section than the investment made in Luton?
 

Johnnythespider

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,216
martcov said:
Is that Tory policy or wishful thinking?
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I won't be holding my breath
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,217
chiefdave said:
Jaguar Land Rover to cut 1,000 jobs after 'slump due to Brexit'
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Nothing to do with Brexit
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,218
Astute said:
Are you telling me it would have been more expensive to build a paintspraying section than the investment made in Luton?
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No. I’m telling you what the Union who was involved in negotiations to save the plant and jobs said. They said “One of the most attractive natural features of the plant was its paint shop - fitted to produce van-sized vehicles - which would reduce costs”.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,219
Grendel said:
Nothing to do with Brexit
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Clearly the statement released by JLR stating that it does have something to do with Brexit is above your pay grade. The Birmingham Mail has released it in full Jaguar Land Rover 'to cut 1,000 jobs' - live updates
You’re welcome.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,220
skybluetony176 said:
Clearly the statement released by JLR stating that it does have something to do with Brexit is above your pay grade. The Birmingham Mail has released it in full Jaguar Land Rover 'to cut 1,000 jobs' - live updates
You’re welcome.
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Nope it isn’t and it’s nothing to do with Brexit
 

skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,221
Grendel said:
Nope it isn’t and it’s nothing to do with Brexit
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Clearly is as you’re out the loop. You don’t seem to have any knowledge of what has actually been said by JLR. Maybe you should spend less time on here and more time paying attention to what’s happening at work.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,222
skybluetony176 said:
Clearly is as you’re out the loop. You don’t seem to have any knowledge of what has actually been said by JLR. Maybe you should spend less time on here and more time paying attention to what’s happening at work.
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What was said Tony?
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,223
Grendel said:
Nope it isn’t and it’s nothing to do with Brexit
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‘The car giant is blaming Brexit and the fall in demand for diesel models, according to reports.’

Fake news then?
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,224
chiefdave said:
Jaguar Land Rover to cut 1,000 jobs after 'slump due to Brexit'
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Is it because of brexit though? I don’t know major amounts but it seems sales have been down for a while and Diesels are being taxed to death currently when from what I know diesels aren’t even that bad on emissions.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,225
martcov said:
‘The car giant is blaming Brexit and the fall in demand for diesel models, according to reports.’

Fake news then?
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Didn’t say blaming Brexit either did it and the latter is an issue clearly given the massive investment in advanced diesel technology.

The British car industry sells a relatively small amount of cars into Europe so it’s impact is always minimal and the profit impact of devaluation in companies like JLR have been significant in a positive way.

I’ve PM’d a few people on here regarding the impact and reasons for this - sorry I don’t trust you and Tony not to make capital out of it.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,226
Grendel said:
What was said Tony?
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You could try the link I provided if you don’t know but the part that says it has something to with Brexit as opposed to as you claim nothing to do with Brexit is as follows

“As an industry in which investment is heavily reliant on forward planning, industry bodies have been lobbying extensively for greater clarity around a Brexit trade deal.

With JLR’s UK production facilities exporting around 75 per cent of its vehicles and importing many parts from the EU, this action is in part an effort to help mitigate potentially-costly tariffs, which could significantly damage its bottom line.”
 
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martcov

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  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,227
Astute said:
Would you buy a Disco petrol?
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I would say no, but I don’t know whether I will have a choice. I don’t want a petrol car. I had years of petrol cars when I was younger, more maintenance costs. I do have a petrol Smart for the missus and nipping around the town. I would like to have an electric Smart in a couple of years for local journeys, assuming the range will increase and the charging time will reduce. However, I need a strong reliable car to tow my exhibition stands and my beer.. which is heavy.

I am happy with my Discovery and it fits with my British “image”. My colleagues drive Mercs or Japanese 4x4s.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,228
skybluetony176 said:
You could try the link I provided if you don’t know but the part that says it has something to with Brexit as opposed to as you claim nothing to do with Brexit is as follows

“As an industry in which investment is heavily reliant on forward planning, industry bodies have been lobbying extensively for greater clarity around a Brexit trade deal.

With JLR’s UK production facilities exporting around 75 per cent of its vehicles and importing many parts from the EU, this action is in part an effort to help mitigate potentially-costly tariffs, which could significantly damage its bottom line.”
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You’ve missed something out haven’t you Tony
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,229
Kingokings204 said:
Is it because of brexit though? I don’t know major amounts but it seems sales have been down for a while and Diesels are being taxed to death currently when from what I know diesels aren’t even that bad on emissions.
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No one is saying it’s solely down to brexit but it’s clearly a factor. I believe Mini have also raised the same concerns as JLR over Brexit recently to. Mini engines and engine components currently pass in and out of the U.K. and mainland Europe a couple of times before finally being delivered as a complete engine to Oxford for installation in a new car.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 13, 2018
  • #13,230
skybluetony176 said:
No one is saying it’s solely down to brexit but it’s clearly a factor. I believe Mini have also raised the same concerns as JLR over Brexit recently to. Mini engines and engine components currently pass in and out of the U.K. and mainland Europe a couple of times before finally being delivered as a complete engine to Oxford for installation in a new car.
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What do companies do to mitigate exchange rate impacts Tony?
 
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