Astute
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So do you agree that they should be more careful where the money goes as the frauds have cost many billions and happen each year?
So do you agree that they should be more careful where the money goes as the frauds have cost many billions and happen each year?Not all of the money disappears and it goes to a variety of different schemes, most are not mafia contracts either.
So are you saying that the EU is best keep putting money into road building schemes where most of it ends up in the hands of the mafia as it will help people living in those areas?
And we could never do the same?The EU is a receiving office according to international patent law.
Why not ask SB.You just said you shouldn’t believe headlines. You are now making your own up.
Why not ask SB.
We went through it in detail. But it didn't look good on the EU so you have forgotten about it. How unusual.
So do you agree that they should be more careful where the money goes as the frauds have cost many billions and happen each year?
Fears over 'widespread' EU fraudYou just said you shouldn’t believe headlines. You are now making your own up.
But the EU keeps putting billions into Italy without watching closely where it goes when they know a lot of it goes on fraud.It looks worse on Italy to be fair.
And as you know we agree on this.The mafia is so much ingrained within society there that it's not a case of 'just being careful'. A lot of Sicilian friends I have from my time living down there claim that the government is the mafia itself. It's partly why the likes of 5Star have done so well there as they are a reaction to it, they're just incompetent when they get any kind of power.
Wassup Mart?You just said you shouldn’t believe headlines. You are now making your own up.
And as you know we agree on this.
We don't know fully what goes on. But fraud is rife in Italy. And it will continue until something is done about it by the EU.
I await Mart like last time to come out qith a small amount of fraud from the UK that means it is OK for it to continue happening in Italy. But it should all be looked into as much as possible.
Oh how you like to twist things.So now you're happy for the EU to interfere in domestic politics and use EU funds to get rid of the mafia? Wow!
And because you can name just a few out of the vast majority you must be right?
Wassup Mart?
So what headlines have I made up?
Would you like more?
Why did you agree with him SB?
The UK does not pay direct into these accounts. They follow EU laws and rules.I assume I am right as the said people are already asking for a continuation of sisbsidies. It would be unusual for only a few to want to keep money. The point is that these people slag the EU on the one hand for giving money to projects, but have made it clear that they want their hand outs to continue after Brexit. Only difference being that the U.K. pays direct into their pockets. No difference between remain and leave on this point. So what are we apparently gaining in that case?
So which part is false?Dramatic statements that when analysed have a basis of truth, but are exaggerated to make a point. You say that over half the money goes to rich landowners. Not quite. There are conditions attached, but it is true there are people just riding the gravy train. Some of these people are already lobbying for the U.K. to continue the payouts after Brexit, which means leaving the EU doesn’t necessarily end the gravy train.
Oh how you like to twist things.
So where did I say that? I didn't. But you would love me to defend something that I haven't said to change the subject.
Domestic politics? Giving billions away and knowing a large amount is going on fraud and they should do nothing? How about releasing the money a bit at a time and only when you see the work happening?
This is the problem with the EU. They don't spend money on counter fraud. And people that defend them don't have a problem with it. But it is a massive problem to the same people if just a fraction of this happens in the UK.
So are you saying nothing should change with the way money is distributed in Italy when you bring up the chance of even the government being involved in the fraud?
The UK does not pay direct into these accounts. They follow EU laws and rules.
The money comes from one of two pots funded by those countries like us that fund the EU. The pots total about 67% of the whole EU budget. And if they are registered as being British it is counted as a rebate against what we pay into the EU each year. Yet the tax man sees nothing of it.
But you already know this.
Yes. I have not said that the UK pays direct.
The point is that these people slag the EU on the one hand for giving money to projects, but have made it clear that they want their hand outs to continue after Brexit. Only difference being that the U.K. pays direct into their pockets.
You were saying......
So how about backing up you saying I had twisted the truth.
That makes less sense than beforeIn the future.... they want to continue hand outs after Brexit... then they will be direct.., I said „ only difference „ meaning difference to getting payouts from the EU..
Link?They landowners, even those supporting Brexit, are happy enough to continue the system after Brexit with direct payments from them UK.
Link?
Might have a clue what you allege then.
Link?
Might have a clue what you allege then.
Link?
Might have a clue what you allege then.
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Might have a clue what you allege then.
Well, that went well then. If this has set the precedent for trade negotiations with not just the EU but the rest of the world (and let’s face it, odds are it has) I wonder how many brexit voters will be big enough to admit that they got it wrong?
Are you still seeing Nazi's on every street corner Mart ??
Well, that went well then. If this has set the precedent for trade negotiations with not just the EU but the rest of the world (and let’s face it, odds are it has) I wonder how many brexit voters will be big enough to admit that they got it wrong?
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How much more would you like Mart?
Which is exactly what I have been saying. And you have tried to disagree.E.g. Dyson:
EU farming subsidies: One in five biggest recipients are billionaires and millionaires on the UK rich list
Sir James Dyson's farming business was the biggest private recipient of EU basic payments in the UK in 2016, receiving £1.6 million, Greenpeace says
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