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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (14 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,986
Grendel said:
You are blind to the truth.

What’s the main point of a single currency?
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To do away with exchange rate fluctuations and the resulting costs. E.g. buying and selling currencies at forward rates. Makes goods cheaper and stabilises trading because you can calculate prices and costs more accurately. Takes away risks. For the private person saves money on currency conversion. No-one in America would advocate the individual states introducing their own currencies because of the risks and costs involved, although the wealth/ average wage of states is very different.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,987
Astute said:
It was started to make it easier to trade with each other. It has ended up nothing like what we joined.
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Is it harder to trade with a customs union and a single market? I think it ended up exactly as planned. Great.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,988
martcov said:
Yes. Very, especially the attempt to marginalise and alienate people with a different opinion. It is not me who is in front of a parliamentary commission spilling the beans on the leave campaign. If he is right, it is more corruption from the leave side. UKIP is already in trouble for missusing EU funds.
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You are aware that remain campaign has already been fined for breaching these rules don’t you Mart?
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,989
Astute said:
So how would having tariffs benefit those in the EU when they sell us much more than we sell them?
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Don't know. If it's that bad, then the EU won't be arguing for it. As I said, they will be looking after the interests of the EU. Whatever they are. Maybe they are more than just plus and minus on the balance sheet. I don't know.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,990
martcov said:
To do away with exchange rate fluctuations and the resulting costs. E.g. buying and selling currencies at forward rates. Makes goods cheaper and stabilises trading because you can calculate prices and costs more accurately. Takes away risks. For the private person saves money on currency conversion. No-one in America would advocate the individual states introducing their own currencies because of the risks and costs involved, although the wealth/ average wage of states is very different.
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Bingo.

So if a nation sees a severe economic downturn what’s the first thing it does to aid recovery and stimulate growth in the country?
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,991
Grendel said:
You are aware that remain campaign has already been fined for breaching these rules don’t you Mart?
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Well, then, what's the problem? They will just get a slap on the wrist and a fine and you're happy. Let's see what happens.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,992
martcov said:
Well, then, what's the problem? They will just get a slap on the wrist and a fine and you're happy. Let's see what happens.
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That’s not what I asked. Are you aware of that Mart?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,993
Grendel said:
Bingo.

So if a nation sees a severe economic downturn what’s the first thing it does to aid recovery and stimulate growth in the country?
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Invest in infrastrucuture? Go the the ECB? Start an austerity programme? In a federal state they would get finance injected by the wealthier states. E.g. in Germany, Saarland always gets help from the federal government, and Bavaria always pays in from it's surplus. Solidarity.
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,994
Grendel said:
That’s not what I asked. Are you aware of that Mart?
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No, I don't know about the fine, but I am not saying you made it up. I can imagine it. As I say, if Leave abusing the system is no problem, then let's see what happens next.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,995
martcov said:
Invest in infrastrucuture? Go the the ECB? Start an austerity programme? In a federal state they would get finance injected by the wealthier states. E.g. in Germany, Saarland always gets help from the federal government, and Bavaria always pays in from it's surplus. Solidarity.
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No Mart they devalue the currency. Which im turn allows them to compete globally.

Germany prevents this. It fixes the currency to allow imports into weaker nations who then are at the whim of the EU bank to fix loans at a set rate. That makes them weaker still and more vulnerable and still powerless to devalue.

You really aren’t very bright are you?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,996
martcov said:
No, I don't know about the fine, but I am not saying you made it up. I can imagine it. As I say, if Leave abusing the system is no problem, then let's see what happens next.
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But mart you know all the facts - so why don’t you do some simple research and find such facts
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,997
Grendel said:
But mart you know all the facts - so why don’t you do some simple research and find such facts
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Apropos.....
"Wylie says AggregateIQ targeted between 5m and 7m voters during the campaign. It did not aim advertising at everyone. It was targeting people it could persuade, he says.

He says online advertising often has a “conversion rate” of 1%.

The AIQ success rates were much higher, he says."

So, you could have a woman classed as a gay man, as you say, but overall you have a good conversion rate.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,998
martcov said:
Apropos.....
"Wylie says AggregateIQ targeted between 5m and 7m voters during the campaign. It did not aim advertising at everyone. It was targeting people it could persuade, he says.

He says online advertising often has a “conversion rate” of 1%.

The AIQ success rates were much higher, he says."

So, you could have a woman classed as a gay man, as you say, but overall you have a good conversion rate.
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What’s much higher mart?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #12,999
Grendel said:
No Mart they devalue the currency. Which im turn allows them to compete globally.

Germany prevents this. It fixes the currency to allow imports into weaker nations who then are at the whim of the EU bank to fix loans at a set rate. That makes them weaker still and more vulnerable and still powerless to devalue.

You really aren’t very bright are you?
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The rules of the Euro, to which everyone signed up, prevent this, is what you meant. And you're telling me that I'm not bright?

As regards devaluing.... you seem to go along with Harold Wilson's " the pound in your pocket will not be affected" idea. Devalue, sell more, and the will be no negative consequences. Great. Except that only pushes the problem down the line. The countries get inflation. the import cost of raw materials for manufacturing goes up. Wages become worth less and soon the wages start to rise, the goods become more expensive and the prices rise, so another devaluation is necessary.

I think you over simplify the problem to suit your view. If it were that easy, Delaware in the states, which has structural problems, would get it's own currency and everybody would be happy. That will never happen because the States gain more by having a single currency. The Eurozone also benefits more as a whole than the negatives of a single country or some countries.

The Euro will survive, if there are closer financial ties in the Eurozone. Coordinated fiscal policies and a currency reserve bank as an insurance against a member having problems. Basically sharing the risk of a bailout if a country hits problems as you suggest.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,000
Grendel said:
What’s much higher mart?
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Don't know. That wasn't my point. My point was you get loads wrong, but still acheive enough conversions. Ask Wylie.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,001
martcov said:
The rules of the Euro, to which everyone signed up, prevent this, is what you meant. And you're telling me that I'm not bright?

As regards devaluing.... you seem to go along with Harold Wilson's " the pound in your pocket will not be affected" idea. Devalue, sell more, and the will be no negative consequences. Great. Except that only pushes the problem down the line. The countries get inflation. the import cost of raw materials for manufacturing goes up. Wages become worth less and soon the wages start to rise, the goods become more expensive and the prices rise, so another devaluation is necessary.

I think you over simplify the problem to suit your view. If it were that easy, Delaware in the states, which has structural problems, would get it's own currency and everybody would be happy. That will never happen because the States gain more by having a single currency. The Eurozone also benefits more as a whole than the negatives of a single country or some countries.

The Euro will survive, if there are closer financial ties in the Eurozone. Coordinated fiscal policies and a currency reserve bank as an insurance against a member having problems. Basically sharing the risk of a bailout if a country hits problems as you suggest.
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Christ why do I bother, I know it means they can’t and why it means the supreme power rules.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,002
martcov said:
Don't know. That wasn't my point. My point was you get loads wrong, but still acheive enough conversions. Ask Wylie.
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I get loads wrong - lol. You do realise even if it was double it still means no impact - oh why bother because you still will not understand
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,003
Grendel said:
I get loads wrong - lol. You do realise even if it was double it still means no impact - oh why bother because you still will not understand
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Well actually did just get something wrong. I said „you get loads wrong“ in the sense of „one gets loads wrong“, but that sounded too posh. Still funny you concluded that you get loads wrong was meant. ( funny as in strange ). You obviously have comprehension problems. And I was quoting someone else who saying that there was a relatively low score of direct hits in advertising. How much better in the leave campaign wasn’t mentioned, but wasn’t relevant to what I was saying anyway.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,004
Grendel said:
Christ why do I bother, I know it means they can’t and why it means the supreme power rules.
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There is no supreme power. That is a Faragism. Say it long enough and people believe it.

You missed the point that devaluation is not the only remedy.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,005
martcov said:
There is no supreme power. That is a Faragism. Say it long enough and people believe it.

You missed the point that devaluation is not the only remedy.
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No you dimwit under euro control the option is removed and economic freedom is denied

What a fool you are
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,006
Grendel said:
No you dimwit under euro control the option is removed and economic freedom is denied

What a fool you are
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I will refrain from insulting you. I am well aware that that option is removed. I said it is not the only option and not always the best option. Which is why some countries are aligned to the euro, eg Romania and Denmark, and many others have joined the Euro. All voluntarily. But, you don’t get it do you? Economic freedom is given up to do that. And you call me dim? Ffs.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,007
Grendel said:
No you dimwit under euro control the option is removed and economic freedom is denied

What a fool you are
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Anyway, I am on my second gin now and don’t want to start insulting you. So I will post this from another clueless and dim remainer:

London's social care services face being 'plunged into crisis' due to loss of EU workers after Brexit, Sadiq Khan warns

Good night..
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,008
martcov said:
I will refrain from insulting you. I am well aware that that option is removed. I said it is not the only option and not always the best option. Which is why some countries are aligned to the euro, eg Romania and Denmark, and many others have joined the Euro. All voluntarily. But, you don’t get it do you? Economic freedom is given up to do that. And you call me dim? Ffs.
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No you just don’t understand. The mark has always been strong and now would be overvalued which would make its exports more expensive.

Commonality means they as a strong nation can export with impunity across weaker nations. The weaker nations meanwhile can’t impose tariffs and as the economy worsens they borrow from a federal bank that has a lending rate dictated to by the stronger economies.

In turn they also can’t boost trade by lowering the currency on the global market. So they end up paralysed. They get poorer. This actually applies to the Med countries who are economic basket cases.

For Romania and Bulgaria it’s worse. Hyper inflation prior to euro take over has meant that wages are suppressed. It becomes an open door for the rich European capitalists to enter these countries and take advantage and therefore continue to encourage wage suppression and poverty.

The rich prosper and the weaker surrender.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,009
martcov said:
Anyway, I am on my second gin now and don’t want to start insulting you. So I will post this from another clueless and dim remainer:

London's social care services face being 'plunged into crisis' due to loss of EU workers after Brexit, Sadiq Khan warns

Good night..
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Ah the fruit won’t get picked again argument. We haven’t had that one in a while.

In a reverse way your article proves brexit to be right on the money so be careful to support brexit. British workers would do care home jobs if they paid well and had better working conditions but we rely on Eastern Europeans to come over and work long shitty hours for minimum wage and then go home and live 7 in a house while the big companies trouser all the profit. Disgusting really.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,010
martcov said:
Don't know. If it's that bad, then the EU won't be arguing for it. As I said, they will be looking after the interests of the EU. Whatever they are. Maybe they are more than just plus and minus on the balance sheet. I don't know.
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Exactly. But you continue to say that the EU will do what is best fir the citizens of the EU when there has been no evidence of it so far.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,011
Kingokings204 said:
Ah the fruit won’t get picked again argument. We haven’t had that one in a while.

In a reverse way your article proves brexit to be right on the money so be careful to support brexit. British workers would do care home jobs if they paid well and had better working conditions but we rely on Eastern Europeans to come over and work long shitty hours for minimum wage and then go home and live 7 in a house while the big companies trouser all the profit. Disgusting really.
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They used to as direct labour through the local authority till around ten years ago, anecdotal evidence on that.
Then it all got privatised and all the conditions were stripped out to the minimum wage crap they get now, or as that's had a couple of hikes, lower.
Mobile social care the same and paliative /end of life social care in the home the same .
Disgusting treatment.
 
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dancers lance

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,012
Our National Health Service is being openly abused, anyone who has friends or family members that work within it, will know just how much. They will also be aware of what can happen to you if you dare speak out, and how protocols that are in place to stop this abuse are never followed.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,013
martcov said:
Invest in infrastrucuture? Go the the ECB? Start an austerity programme? In a federal state they would get finance injected by the wealthier states. E.g. in Germany, Saarland always gets help from the federal government, and Bavaria always pays in from it's surplus. Solidarity.
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As you know more than half of the money that goes into the EU each year goes to landowners and farmers to not grow anything. Many of these wouldn't anyway. This keeps the price of food up. So who benefits?
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,014
Astute said:
As you know more than half of the money that goes into the EU each year goes to landowners and farmers to not grow anything. Many of these wouldn't anyway. This keeps the price of food up. So who benefits?
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No. I don’t know that. Link?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,015
martcov said:
No. I don’t know that. Link?
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Says the man who links nothing but the chains of his own prejudices
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,016
Astute said:
Exactly. But you continue to say that the EU will do what is best fir the citizens of the EU when there has been no evidence of it so far.
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Wasn't a key leave arguement that the EU was protecting it's own citizens and exploiting Africans? We are all more than aware how much the likes of Gove, Patel and Rees Mogg want to help those worse off.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,017
Grendel said:
Says the man who links nothing but the chains of his own prejudices
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I found something to do with the money for landowners. Scandal. No doubt it will stop when we leave...

„This racket is perhaps the strongest of all arguments for leaving the European Union, but the Brexiters’ silence resounds. Among the 13 Conservative MPs who signed an open letter last week undertaking not to cut subsidies for owning or leasing land if Britain leaves the union was Iain Duncan Smith. His wife’s family’s estate, on which he lives, receives £150,000 a year of your money, handed to them by the EU.“

So, business as usual for the leavers....?
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,018
Astute said:
As you know more than half of the money that goes into the EU each year goes to landowners and farmers to not grow anything. Many of these wouldn't anyway. This keeps the price of food up. So who benefits?
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I found an article saying 40%. Still a scandal. Funny that the Mail isn’t on to that though....
 
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martcov

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  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,019
Astute said:
Exactly. But you continue to say that the EU will do what is best fir the citizens of the EU when there has been no evidence of it so far.
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One of three things to be dealt with first before Brexit trade negotiations. EU Citizens rights, the bill and the Irish Question- Irish being EU citizens. 2 out of 3 ain’t bad.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2018
  • #13,020
martcov said:
Wylie says Vote Leave “cheating” may well have swayed EU referendum result
Simon Hart, a Conservative, goes next.

Q: Have you made any assessment as to whether this over-spending would have affected the result?

Wylie says he has two points.

First, if someone is caught doping in the Olympics, no one asks if that made the different to them winning the race.

You should not win by cheating, he says.

He says this vote made a fundamental change to the constitution of the country.

Second, Dominic Cummings himself said the internet campaign was what made all the difference, he says.

He says the “conversion rates” for the campaign’s online advertising were “incredibly effective”.

He says it is perfectly credible to say that, without cheating, there would have been a different result.

Dominic Cummings said that the internet campaign made all the difference. Is he a clueless remoaner? Grendel claims things like the "conversion rates" were minimal. Dominic Cummings, who knows far more about the campaign than Grendel, says the opposite. Who do you believe?
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I wonder how they voted?

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