Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Absolutely. 15 is no age.
If he doesn't like it there is plenty of time to do something else.
I've warned him, long way to go yet though, he could end up doing something totally different.
I don't know it is not going to be a problem, I'm just very sure it won't be. The EU have to protect their citizens too. If they want a good deal for them, we will need to have a good deal too.
I can understand the health point because that is always one thing I have said the EU is good for. It's certainly a good benefit. Again though, I can't see any French people being left to die on hospital beds, or being charged extortionate rates for bandages. I also doubt we will be kept in seperate holding pens like lepers in airports. It just won't happen.
Prepare yourself for the worst, but I'm prepared to put my neck on the line and say you will be fine. Sadly my opinion won't be worth that much, I understand...
Freedom of movement to travel and work. You're likely going to have to apply for a visa which will last for a couple of years at a time.
Absolutely. 15 is no age.
If he doesn't like it there is plenty of time to do something else.
You are conflating freedom of movement with the right to residency. Your poor choice of words not mine.
It'll be interesting to see if a deal will be struck to allow UK citizens to keep associate citizenship of the EU.
That would mean a burgundy passport for them then.....
Just googled that as I thought it couldn't be true after all this fuss about blue passports - it is true!The funniest part of the blue passport nonsense is that it isn't even an EU regulation that the passport be burgundy. It's always been the UK's choice.
BBC said:The European Union has never had the power to force the UK to change the colour of the British passport.
Dumping the blue for burgundy was a decision taken by the UK in the 1980s after the then EEC (European Economic Community) member states tried to harmonise designs to make life easier for travellers and border officials.
So this wasn't a decision forced on the UK by Brussels Eurocrats. Ministers could have ignored it.
Croatia retained its blue passport after it joined the EU in 2013.
In a similar vein, the EU has never had the power to order the UK to remove references to Her Majesty The Queen from the passport. It is still a British document, but with added EU wording to guarantee freedom of movement.
The only legal requirement to harmonise EU passports related to security standards, part of a global governmental effort to combat forgery.
If the EU wanted passports to change in any other way, the plans would need each government to agree.
Just googled that as I thought it couldn't be true after all this fuss about blue passports - it is true!
Just look at this thread. On an average someone as respected as Forbes making such a statement would be welcomed. Yet on here the vast majority of comments are trying to find fault with it. It shows that I am wasting my time giving my opinion on what could happen as most are only interested in how badly it can go wrong.
So I am finally finished on this thread. Have fun.
Just look at this thread. On an average someone as respected as Forbes making such a statement would be welcomed. Yet on here the vast majority of comments are trying to find fault with it. It shows that I am wasting my time giving my opinion on what could happen as most are only interested in how badly it can go wrong.
So I am finally finished on this thread. Have fun.
I have just read that the new blue passports will have a more rigid cover than the current ones, wish I'd known that earlier, I'm on board now!!
The funniest part of the blue passport nonsense is that it isn't even an EU regulation that the passport be burgundy. It's always been the UK's choice.
Croatia has continued to issue blue passports since it joined in 2013 and has no plans to change.
Just shows how people have been manipulated to believe faceless Eurocrats are dominating Great Britain. Up there with Independence Day. We were always independent. The same as the heroic breakaway from the EUSSR. We just triggered Article 50 and the EU said we regret the decision, but accept it. My mum is 87. I just said we were getting blue passports. „Why?“ Because we are becoming a nation state again. „Why are we doing this? We don’t want to go through all that again“. I couldn’t be bothered to explain about Eurocrats, EU armies to suppress the EU citizens, traffic on the M4, unhappy postal workers and potato pickers, ruthless investors and reducing worker’s rights to encourage investment. She wouldn’t understand those arguments. How do you explain that some people are actually enjoying this massive own goal? Merry Brexmas... as Farage the grinning idiot who helped lead us down this road says...
No I don't - ministers are beaurocrats & they employ others to do their dirty work forcing stuff they want to happen through. That is how politics works on contentious issues...whips rally supportIt does thanks. It confirms my thought that a bureaucrat is someone who oversees procedural correctness. It’s you who thinks it means dictator.
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But it hardly supports the doom some around here appear to craveThat just means that it’s higher than it was six months ago. Given that we’ve now agreed in principle the divorce bill and can move onto trade negotiations that’s not at all surprising. It’s not a brexit success story.
Whilst I wouldn't approve of politicising the judiciary anywhere, the EU is dictating that Poland either don't do something or their vote is suspended...but Hungary are recognising Poland's sovereign right to change whatever they want in their own country after being given the mandate to do so. If the people don't wish for that to happen - they will democratically vote for the party they see is most likely to reverse it surely?The EU is 28 countries committed to separation of legislative and judicial systems. Poland is intending politicizing the judiciary. The Daily Mail called our judiciary traitors, so they are probably on Poland‘s side in this. You too I assume.
Well...you can if you want lolWe can all stop worrying now that we've got the return of the blue passport.
I’m Sorry that’s simply not true. The UK strongly resisted the burgundy passports when forced upon us in the 1980’s by my beloved EU and we finally cracked in 1988. We were the last EU country to join it. And yes every other country has the burgondy also.
Croatia is just the exception to the rule for now.
Evening standard calls it EU requirement to have had their passport.
Why blue passports are going to make a comeback after Brexit
But it hardly supports the doom some around here appear to crave
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No I don't - ministers are beaurocrats & they employ others to do their dirty work forcing stuff they want to happen through. That is how politics works on contentious issues...whips rally support
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Whilst I wouldn't approve of politicising the judiciary anywhere, the EU is dictating that Poland either don't do something or their vote is suspended...but Hungary are recognising Poland's sovereign right to change whatever they want in their own country after being given the mandate to do so. If the people don't wish for that to happen - they will democratically vote for the party they see is most likely to reverse it surely?
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Then it is very much mistaken. There's been nothing to stop Britain from reverting back to blue.
It's touched upon towards the end of this article
Blue passports could put UK citizens at back of queue, EU officials say
And again here:
Factcheck: Was the burgundy passport 'enforced' on Britain when it joined the EU?
Then it is very much mistaken. There's been nothing to stop Britain from reverting back to blue.
It's touched upon towards the end of this article
Blue passports could put UK citizens at back of queue, EU officials say
And again here:
Factcheck: Was the burgundy passport 'enforced' on Britain when it joined the EU?
No I don't - ministers are beaurocrats & they employ others to do their dirty work forcing stuff they want to happen through. That is how politics works on contentious issues...whips rally support
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That’s the problem though isn’t it with say my beliefs it was all about what it is now. There is nothing wrong with that if you believe in it but I don’t believe in a one size fits all United States of Europe. One currency and one border and one army and one fishing policy and one passport. Etc. That’s the broader point.
I know others do and that’s fine by me but I don’t. The passport was clearly a another tool to have everyone the same and every country decided to go to the burgundy colour didn't they? I don’t see how Britain could of stayed blue when everyone else changed. It doesn’t matter but again it’s the broader point for me. Same with the euro and I still don’t really understand why we didn’t join. I’m glad we didn’t but again it was all set in stone to a point.
That’s the problem though isn’t it with say my beliefs it was all about what it is now. There is nothing wrong with that if you believe in it but I don’t believe in a one size fits all United States of Europe. One currency and one border and one army and one fishing policy and one passport. Etc. That’s the broader point.
I know others do and that’s fine by me but I don’t. The passport was clearly a another tool to have everyone the same and every country decided to go to the burgundy colour didn't they? I don’t see how Britain could of stayed blue when everyone else changed. It doesn’t matter but again it’s the broader point for me. Same with the euro and I still don’t really understand why we didn’t join. I’m glad we didn’t but again it was all set in stone to a point.
I don’t see how Britain could of stayed blue when everyone else changed
That’s the problem though isn’t it with say my beliefs it was all about what it is now. There is nothing wrong with that if you believe in it but I don’t believe in a one size fits all United States of Europe. One currency and one border and one army and one fishing policy and one passport. Etc. That’s the broader point.
I know others do and that’s fine by me but I don’t. The passport was clearly a another tool to have everyone the same and every country decided to go to the burgundy colour didn't they? I don’t see how Britain could of stayed blue when everyone else changed. It doesn’t matter but again it’s the broader point for me. Same with the euro and I still don’t really understand why we didn’t join. I’m glad we didn’t but again it was all set in stone to a point.
Do people *really* care what colour their passport is?!?
There is not only currency, one army, one passport. Again, this is misinformation.
There are different currencies in the EU, each country has its own passport and there has was nothing stopping Britain from doing a Croatia and having a blue passport.
There has been so much bile spread about the EU by certain sections of the media for years that's led to these kind of inaccuracies being presented as fact.
Farage thinks so, which is why he bigged it up. The leavers sucked up to it and are now happy at their „win“.
As my mother says „why are we doing this?“
The answer is really stupid and includes blue passports. Which we could have had anyway.
When will the penny finally drop? Leave is a con and it is becoming more obvious as we stumble our way towards Brexit.
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