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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (19 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,376
Astute said:
But where did I say it was you?
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True, you didn't. But you were replying to me.
I'm not having a go at Forbes as a source, I just don't think they're correct on this occasion based on other stuff I've read. Just my conclusion. They could be right and the sources I've linked could be wrong, like I say, that's a perfectly possible scenario.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,377
Astute said:
Yet in the real world......
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We’re getting the blue passports to show our identity- as requested.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,378
Astute said:
You make it sound like we got about half of it back.

The Tories have done well out of the EU. The landed gentry have done the best. They have got millions for having land passed down to them. I know why Tories want to stay in.

So how much goes back to the tax payer?
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I just quoted the figures. If you think that equates to half fair enough.

The money goes into things like subsidies for farming and fishing, some goes into projects in infrastructure etc.

I’ve already told you how much comes back not sure why you’re asking again. Do you think it bypasses the public coffers and goes straight into an offshore pension fund for the PM or something?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,379
clint van damme said:
True, you didn't. But you were replying to me.
I'm not having a go at Forbes as a source, I just don't think they're correct on this occasion based on other stuff I've read. Just my conclusion. They could be right and the sources I've linked could be wrong, like I say, that's a perfectly possible scenario.
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Just look at this thread. On an average someone as respected as Forbes making such a statement would be welcomed. Yet on here the vast majority of comments are trying to find fault with it. It shows that I am wasting my time giving my opinion on what could happen as most are only interested in how badly it can go wrong.

So I am finally finished on this thread. Have fun.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,380
martcov said:
We’re getting the blue passports to show our identity- as requested.
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Apparently it goes to show that Britain is back hahaha!
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,381
skybluetony176 said:
Yeah? I’m not sure you totally understand what a bureaucrat is and their roll within the EU.
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bureaucrat - Google Search

Maybe this will help YOU?

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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,382
SkyblueBazza said:
bureaucrat - Google Search

Maybe this will help YOU?

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It is you who should read it. A bureaucrat is an impartial public servant, not a dictator. If you don’t like the rules he is following you have to vote to change the administration he is working for.

The bureaucrats don’t pass the laws. They administer them.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,383
martcov said:
We have all done well out of the EU
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Try telling that to the likes of the ruined fishing communities & farmers amongst others


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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,384
Sick Boy said:
Only yesterday you were going on about hoe strong our economy is.
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But in the true spirit of cherry-picking..."UK business confidence rises to five-month high in December - Lloyds" - UK business confidence rises to five-month high in December - Lloyds

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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,385
SkyblueBazza said:
But in the true spirit of cherry-picking..."UK business confidence rises to five-month high in December - Lloyds" - UK business confidence rises to five-month high in December - Lloyds

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As the article says:
„optimism remains well below its level before last year’s Brexit vote, a survey by Lloyds Bank showed on Friday.“
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,386
SkyblueBazza said:
Try telling that to the likes of the ruined fishing communities & farmers amongst others


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The country as a whole was doing well. Did we leave solely because of fishery policies?
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,387
martcov said:
It is you who should read it. A bureaucrat is an impartial public servant, not a dictator. If you don’t like the rules he is following you have to vote to change the administration he is working for.

The bureaucrats don’t pass the laws. They administer them.
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If YOU read it...it does mention 'ministers'...& the other stuff we have disputed in recent weeks? Maybe this helps make the point..."PM Orban - Hungary will block any punitive EU action on Poland" - PM Orban - Hungary will block any punitive EU action on Poland

The Poles have made a change to their judiciary that the EU disapproves of - so simply take away voting rights for a while. The Hungarians are keen to have a Central EU caucus (to counter-balance the dominant Fr-Ger western one) - that's not divisive at all is it?

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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,388
martcov said:
As the article says:
„optimism remains well below its level before last year’s Brexit vote, a survey by Lloyds Bank showed on Friday.“
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I'm pointing out that it isn't how the likes of you would seem to want things panning out despite the current uncertainty

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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,389
martcov said:
The country as a whole was doing well. Did we leave solely because of fishery policies?
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Look - YOU said we all did well not me! I am simply highlighting that we didn't all do well at all

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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,390
SkyblueBazza said:
bureaucrat - Google Search

Maybe this will help YOU?

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It does thanks. It confirms my thought that a bureaucrat is someone who oversees procedural correctness. It’s you who thinks it means dictator.

Maybe this will help YOU?

dictator - Google Search
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,391
SkyblueBazza said:
But in the true spirit of cherry-picking..."UK business confidence rises to five-month high in December - Lloyds" - UK business confidence rises to five-month high in December - Lloyds

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That just means that it’s higher than it was six months ago. Given that we’ve now agreed in principle the divorce bill and can move onto trade negotiations that’s not at all surprising. It’s not a brexit success story.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,392
SkyblueBazza said:
If YOU read it...it does mention 'ministers'...& the other stuff we have disputed in recent weeks? Maybe this helps make the point..."PM Orban - Hungary will block any punitive EU action on Poland" - PM Orban - Hungary will block any punitive EU action on Poland

The Poles have made a change to their judiciary that the EU disapproves of - so simply take away voting rights for a while. The Hungarians are keen to have a Central EU caucus (to counter-balance the dominant Fr-Ger western one) - that's not divisive at all is it?

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The EU is 28 countries committed to separation of legislative and judicial systems. Poland is intending politicizing the judiciary. The Daily Mail called our judiciary traitors, so they are probably on Poland‘s side in this. You too I assume.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,393
SkyblueBazza said:
Look - YOU said we all did well not me! I am simply highlighting that we didn't all do well at all

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Ok. I was referring to the country doing well. The majority. More than 52%. We didn’t need to leave because of the economy.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,394
Morning All,

A couple of things:

People didn't vote for Brexit because they're racist, study finds | Metro News

That's kind of what I was trying to say for a while. I don't believe it was a racist vote at all, and most people that have worries about immigration don't think that way anyway.

FTSE 100 Index rallies to new record high

Some more reason to perhaps be positive.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,395
We can all stop worrying now that we've got the return of the blue passport.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,396
chiefdave said:
We can all stop worrying now that we've got the return of the blue passport.
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You never went abroad anyway.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,397
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Morning All,

A couple of things:

People didn't vote for Brexit because they're racist, study finds | Metro News

That's kind of what I was trying to say for a while. I don't believe it was a racist vote at all, and most people that have worries about immigration don't think that way anyway.

FTSE 100 Index rallies to new record high

Some more reason to perhaps be positive.
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Don’t think anyone has said that all brexit voters are racist have they? I think it was Billy Brag who pointed out that all racist voted brexit though and generally speaking it’s good to be on a different side to them.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,398
skybluetony176 said:
Don’t think anyone has said that all brexit voters are racist have they? I think it was Billy Brag who pointed out that all racist voted brexit though and generally speaking it’s good to be on a different side to them.
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Are you kidding? It gets thrown around all the time, along with bigot and 'you've never left the country before'.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,399
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Are you kidding? It gets thrown around all the time, along with bigot and 'you've never left the country before'.
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Haven’t you just used the never left the country line?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,400
skybluetony176 said:
Haven’t you just used the never left the country line?
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Yes, it was sarcasm/irony!
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,401
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Yes, it was sarcasm/irony!
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Yeah. I’ve only ever heard the comments you brought up as sarcasm and irony too. I guess you should stop worrying about it then.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,402
SkyblueBazza said:
I'm pointing out that it isn't how the likes of you would seem to want things panning out despite the current uncertainty

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It’s about what I expected actually.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,403
Astute said:
Just look at this thread. On an average someone as respected as Forbes making such a statement would be welcomed. Yet on here the vast majority of comments are trying to find fault with it. It shows that I am wasting my time giving my opinion on what could happen as most are only interested in how badly it can go wrong.

So I am finally finished on this thread. Have fun.
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but plenty of respected publications are contradicting it. You're struggling to grasp that. I'd be amazed if you quit this thread!
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,404
chiefdave said:
We can all stop worrying now that we've got the return of the blue passport.
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Well I am very pleased with this. It’s a small point but important overall.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,405
Kingokings204 said:
important overall.
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In what way? Does it make any difference to how you travel? I can't see any actual benefit to changing the colour of our passports.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,406
skybluetony176 said:
Yeah. I’ve only ever heard the comments you brought up as sarcasm and irony too. I guess you should stop worrying about it then.
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I'm not worried.

The FTSE's up, a study proved we're not all racists, and the missus just got a new job with great money working europe wide.

Brexit what? We are celebrating tonight!
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,407
chiefdave said:
In what way? Does it make any difference to how you travel? I can't see any actual benefit to changing the colour of our passports.
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No it’s not about that it’s about becoming our own identity again and becoming a normal country again.

The words are more important anyway as we get to drop the words European Union off our passports. The navy blue colour is just a symbolic bonus.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,408
Kingokings204 said:
No it’s not about that it’s about becoming our own identity again and becoming a normal country again.

The words are more important anyway as we get to drop the words European Union off our passports. The navy blue colour is just a symbolic bonus.
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If a country is having issues with its identity due to the colour of its pasport, I'd suggest it has some very deep rooted issues.

Go elsewhere in Europe and each country has its own distinct identity.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,409
Sick Boy said:
If a country is having issues with its identity due to the colour of its pasport, I'd suggest it has some very deep rooted issues.

Go elsewhere in Europe and each country has its own distinct identity.
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But all have the same passport. Bar Czechs.

I dont really disagree with your first point but then that was why brexit was voted for. To take back control. That included passports.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #11,410
Sick Boy said:
If a country is having issues with its identity due to the colour of its pasport, I'd suggest it has some very deep rooted issues.

Go elsewhere in Europe and each country has its own distinct identity.
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Not if things carry on the way they are for much longer...
 
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