skybluetony176
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Yeah? I’m not sure you totally understand what a bureaucrat is and their roll within the EU.
Can't help with costings...but the faceless beaurocrats I am on about are those in & around the MEPS - bribing, bullying & cajoling them to do what the EU mandarins want
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And you don't half chat shite when you want to defend your buddies on here.You don't half talk a load of shite at times. Germany isn't like the UK having sold off most of its prestige companies, it doesn't need investment from multinational external companies, it has plenty of its own.
1+1=3?That it is about investment and not specifically about how the economy is doing. Which is why USA was 23. and is now only 11. although it is a strong economy.
Having less regulations and a labour Force with a lot of educated people counts for a lot in this report. Germany has more regulations which means they set higher standards for e.g. environment, employees rights, more control of the gig economy and no zero hours contracts. Might be good for employees and consumers, but considered restrictive for those investing short term.
New Zealand is not in our league as an economy, but because of privatisation of virtually everything it is good for investors. Some people might not think that privatisation is the best way of judging a country.
Shared cost?Seem to remember reading somewhere that brexit is going to create an estimated 8000 civil servent posts, or bureaucrats if you prefer. The EU employs about five times that for the whole of the EU which is of course a shared cost.
So the many thousands of jobs being created means nothing to the man on the street? The massive amount of tax that will be paid doesn't make a difference either?They don’t care about what people are supposed to be investing in. Their report isn’t an answer to a specific situation. It is a list of countries which they consider good for a punt by investors. It is neutral, as you say, from a political angle. It is taken only from an investors point of view. Good for investors isn’t the main criterium for judging a country‘s economic performance, or the wellbeing of it‘s citizens. People investing isn’t negative. The reasons why could be negative for the working man though.
24 hours of looking what could be good for the UK instead of always looking at what 'will' go wrong would be nice.25th December. 24 hours. Please can we have an amnesty on this thread for just one day?
I'll take the day off being ashamed of my vote, and the remainers can have a day off being called snowflakes.
24 hours of looking what could be good for the UK instead of always looking at what 'will' go wrong would be nice.
Shared cost?
How many billions do we put in? How many countries take out?
So the many thousands of jobs being created means nothing to the man on the street? The massive amount of tax that will be paid doesn't make a difference either?
Shared cost?
How many billions do we put in? How many countries take out?
1+1=3?
Investment brings in jobs. Jobs are a massive part of the economy. But the good news isn't what many seem to want to hear.
And you don't half chat shite when you want to defend your buddies on here.
The subject is on the Forbes ratings on investment being brought into countries around the world. Try looking back. It wasn't me bringing up Germany. But at least you get some buddy points.
25th December. 24 hours. Please can we have an amnesty on this thread for just one day?
I'll take the day off being ashamed of my vote, and the remainers can have a day off being called snowflakes.
This is a price I'm willing to pay if it means I can buy vodka and Matryoshka dolls on the cheap.Anyone know about The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia by Aleksandr Dugin? Some of the ideas in it are pretty startling in light of the current political state of play. Just some of Dugin's suggestions:
US: Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
Aim to cause:
Distrust in the police.
Distrust in the government.
Distrust in the media.
Distrust in all institutions of American life.
Distrust in politicians and representatives (one of the basis of a representative republic) to the point where voters want people who have NEVER won an election in charge.
Break the public's mind in being able to discern truth from fiction. Break their bullshit detector.
Spread conspiracy theories all over using HD-streamed Russian channels.
Infiltrate social media sites, even at one point having the whole front page of reddit filled with RussiaToday.
Normalize and popularize fringe ideas through memetics.
Turkey: Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities
Iran: Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow-Tehran axis"
UK: "United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe."
Pbsycbological warfare If you like.Anyone know about The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia by Aleksandr Dugin? Some of the ideas in it are pretty startling in light of the current political state of play. Just some of Dugin's suggestions:
US: Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".
Aim to cause:
Distrust in the police.
Distrust in the government.
Distrust in the media.
Distrust in all institutions of American life.
Distrust in politicians and representatives (one of the basis of a representative republic) to the point where voters want people who have NEVER won an election in charge.
Break the public's mind in being able to discern truth from fiction. Break their bullshit detector.
Spread conspiracy theories all over using HD-streamed Russian channels.
Infiltrate social media sites, even at one point having the whole front page of reddit filled with RussiaToday.
Normalize and popularize fringe ideas through memetics.
Turkey: Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities
Iran: Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow-Tehran axis"
UK: "United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe."
is it Catalonia next for independence?
Don’t they want to leave the EU also?
Next? Maybe they will become independent. Let’s see if that has an effect on Northern Ireland if they do. The votes are about even, but the three independence parties get more seats. They don’t get on with each other though, so they are going to have to sort their differences out.
The EU has said they won’t recognise Catalonia without Spain‘s agreement. I wasn’t aware that this was a vote on EU membership, although the smallest party are anti EU.
Another close election is bad for everyone involved. No one has a strong mandate.
Can only end in tears.
It was 70-68 to indepedance parties but what that means no one knows yet. Maybe even their leader Carlos pudogiament will be allowed back into the country now? What a joke.
Surely they have to press ahead with indepedence else what was the point to the election?
You make it sound like we got about half of it back.All member states take out. Didn’t realise that you weren’t aware of that. We took out something like £4.5B our ourselves.
You make it sound like we got about half of it back.
The Tories have done well out of the EU. The landed gentry have done the best. They have got millions for having land passed down to them. I know why Tories want to stay in.
So how much goes back to the tax payer?
Blind optimism?so you want people to be positive even if they believe there is nothing to be positive about just because you are?
If blind optimism despite your better judgement actually achieved anything I'd be sitting at home now watching a rerun of one of Citys Champions League victories.
Yeah. Tories voted remain. Labour voted remain. 5% of UKIP voted remain. I blame the 95% of them for us leaving.In his post truth world the Tories are also the face of remain.
Blind optimism?
Much better than blind pessimism. But I am not blind to what can go wrong. Strangely enough some only notice my optimism. And they are those who only see pessimism.
Yet in the real world......We have all done well out of the EU. We are leaving to take back sovereignty, get rid of migrants and have blue passports, not because the economy was not doing well.
Yet in the real world......
Blind optimism is seeing something that isn't there. Blind pessimism is not seeing something that is there.I never said you had blind optimism. You have a habit of reading things that aren't actually said.
You have read what's going on and in particular the Forbes article and concluded that there is the potential for a brighter outlook next year.
I haven't come to the same conclusion so for me to be optimistic would be blind optimism. Just my opinion, one of us will be wrong and I'm quite happy to accept it could be me.
Blind optimism is seeing something that isn't there. Blind pessimism is not seeing something that is there.
Forbes are a lot more respected than most mentioned on here. Yet YouGov and their numbers that are constantly wrong are taken as gospel.
Calling me out for what?If I'm not mistaken FP voted leave. He isn't defending anyone or point scoring, just calling you out. Again.
But where did I say it was you?You're doing it again, I never used Yougov as a source.
Like I say, you drew your conclusions and I drew mine.
Considering we were told that if we voted leave house prices would plummet, unemployment would soar and share prices would drop we are doing well. But we could always do better.Only yesterday you were going on about hoe strong our economy is.
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