They are not as bad as each other as they have just proven in voting for the authority of the sovereign parliament as opposed to Davis and co in May’s cabinet. You do love sweeping and unsubstantiated statements.
I don't know how you could be happy with a hard Brexit in any way. Maybe pissed off with both.
And this is why I don't trust politicians from any party. They are all as bad as each other.
The "fair and balanced" Daily Mail's front page appears to be a direct attack on our country's democracy.
I don't know how you could be happy with a hard Brexit in any way. Maybe pissed off with both.
And this is why I don't trust politicians from any party. They are all as bad as each other.
Just about all of them lied and misled us.I didn't say I was happy. But I would except it to maintain the integrity of Parliament. I can't believe you'd rather leave it all to the whim of someone who has been proven to have lied to and mislead the people of the country.
Why do you have to play at being thick to try and point score?What vote are you on about? They would be in the second chamber. They won’t have a veto if the second chamber is majority VOTING.
Ah. So all is well and truthful in the EU.They are not as bad as each other as they have just proven in voting for the authority of the sovereign parliament as opposed to Davis and co in May’s cabinet. You do love sweeping and unsubstantiated statements.
So in the 3 latest on the subject they have defended the Tories, done a decent piece on the vote yesterday and now the front page that I don't have a clue about. If anything it is showing balance from them for once.The same Daily Mail that the day before talked about online abuse suffered by Tory MP's... and less than 24 hours later...
Just about all of them lied and misled us.
They will only get the deal the EU will allow. So where will sticking the middle finger up at them get us?
Ah. So all is well and truthful in the EU.
You learn something new every day.
Why do you have to play at being thick to try and point score?
So in the 3 latest on the subject they have defended the Tories, done a decent piece on the vote yesterday and now the front page that I don't have a clue about. If anything it is showing balance from them for once.
One day complaining about them being abused, the next day abusing them by labelling them traitors? You have a warped view of balanced.
Plus they have a warped view of traitor. Surely the only traitors were the ones who voted for dictatorship?
Why do I get the impression that after spending the last umpteen pages arguing against dictatorship you’re going to spend the umpteen pages trying to justify it?
17,4 Million voted without knowing the outcome. One possible outcome is a hard Brexit. That is their responsibility. It is not a question of being happy or not, they have to take responsibility for their action. If it’s bad they will have to take the blame from the majority of the country who either didn’t vote or voted remain. The non voters take some of the blame of course. At least with politicians you can vote them out if they make a mistake.
That is exactly it. If it has the word EU in front of it, it is a dictatorship. If the Express, Mail, Telegraph or Sun report something it is unbiased reporting. If May's cabinet make a deal we have to accept it. Not to do so would mean a hard Brexit and no one voted for that..... that would be a disaster..
How did you notice the front page? I didn't. I also didn't read the paper. I just read different news outlets from a google search. And as you saw their article on it was one of the better ones.
Everyone who voted didn’t know the outcome - that the federalist Europe want to weaken national democracies in persuit of an ideal that will benefit the few and ignore the many.
Everyone who voted didn’t know the outcome - that the federalist Europe want to weaken national democracies in persuit of an ideal that will benefit the few and ignore the many.
Everyone who voted didn’t know the outcome - that the federalist Europe want to weaken national democracies in persuit of an ideal that will benefit the few and ignore the many.
Sounds like the Tory government trying to bypass parliament. Fortunately they have some heroes of democracy and British parliamentary sovereignty in their ranks.
Yes and ironically made a no deal and WTO terms much more likely now. Hard brexit I believe that’s called to many. Real heroes indeed.
Yes and ironically made a no deal and WTO terms much more likely now. Hard brexit I believe that’s called to many. Real heroes indeed.
Why should people like Davis be able to bypass parliament? Do you not agree with the democratic process in our country?
Yes I do I just am pointing out a no deal WTO is much more likely after last nights vote. It’s obvious
Then the government need to deliver a brexit deal that can be democratically voted through parliament by our democratically elected MP’s. That’s democracy and more importantly the democracy of our country.
Are we really going from a brexit mess being the fault of those who didn’t vote for it to the fault of our historical sovereignty that apparently the brexit vote was going to preserve?
Them pass the buck dominos are really starting to line up now.[/QUOTE
No I agree with last nights vote and a lot of hard line brexiteers were also. That’s the problem as a no deal WTO terms looks more than ever now.
Let’s hope we get a good deal to stop that happening but the remainer mps haven’t really thought it through. Yes block and delay the deal but then we crash out and everyone suffers. Be careful what you wish for unless they want a no deal of course?
Then the government better get its act together and stop wasting time misleading parliament.
I doubt it makes a no deal WTO scenario anymore likely than it was before, that’s just scaremongering from those who have lost sight of large parts of their reasoning for voting leave. What it does do is ensure that the government are held to task. Unfortunate news for Davis but good news for our sovereignty.
Nobody but nobody should be promoting brexit at any cost whether that be leaving with no deal or leaving with the democracy process we value in tatters.
What ideal is that? Peace in Europe?
Of course it does. The time to negotiate a trade deal has just been halved. It’s almost impossible to get a good deal in that time so that means come March 29th 2019 we will have to crash out with no deal because nothing will be agreed.
Only “hard” brexiteers want this. You’re playing their tune. I’m not sure remain mps thought it through. Unless their intention is to stop brexit happening altogether? Some would say yes.
The March the 29th leave date is yet to be voted on and passed. It’s far from set in stone. It’s been described as a gimmick by many including Tory back benchers and looks set to be another humiliation for the government when voted on. Yet again another humiliation that could be avoided if people like Davis and the PM had have taken a sensible approach to brexit that centred around our democratic process instead of trying to steamroller it in a display of dick waving.
They really couldn’t have gone about brexit any worse than they have chosen to. It started with the disastrous decision to call a general election and has gotten worse since then.
You mean by yourself?Another sweeping unsubstantiated post. Same every day.
Glad to hear it.I can confirm this leave voter is more than happy.......
We will be leaving on March 29th 2019. Leave won the referendum. We will be leaving.
If I’m wrong then you think brexit was huge then you ain’t seen anything if we are stopped from leaving.
You mean by yourself?
You do many each day. Then get backed up on it. Now we have someone who would prefer a hard Brexit.
Time to leave you lot to bullshit between yourselves. It is a total waste of tume trying to have a debate with those who don't want one.
Glad to hear it.
tbh I can see no circumstance where having any deals passed by parliament (the thing we were told was a reason to leave the EU, to maintain the sovereignty of it!) is a bad thing.
Plus it'll be such a great deal that it'll be passed without issue... won't it? I fail to see the problem.
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