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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (17 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Captain Dart

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,571
martcov said:
No. That has been banded about on forums such as Mail and Express. Not necessarily on here.
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You're bonkers.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,572
We’ve got the deal. Brexit bill is £38-39 billion. I am happy with that. We’ve met our obligations as a country and can now discuss trade.

Turning out to be quite the week for Brexit. Let’s move on to trade now.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,573
Astute said:
How much would they get charged for leaving after having their vote taken away?

So leaving is costing us 39 billion and no hard border. Who else is joining us?
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We are in the EIB as a lender and we are a net contributor. Most are neither.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,574
Kingokings204 said:
We’ve got the deal. Brexit bill is £38-39 billion. I am happy with that. We’ve met our obligations as a country and can now discuss trade.

Turning out to be quite the week for Brexit. Let’s move on to trade now.
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We could have done that months ago. We’ve fudged the Irish question which will come back to haunt us and we’ve made concessions on the ECJ. Yes, quite a week.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,575
martcov said:
He doesn’t have a big say in the EU. He has had a big say and knows how it works and what needs to be reformed.

I hope that there is a coalition - SPD, CDU and CSU. Strong and stable is better than a cabinet squabbling amongst itself.

Even then the rest have to agree and the countries have to agree, or not if they don’t want to..

It’s called democracy.
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And the racist party becomes the biggest not in power. Just what you said you didn't want. Now you say you do.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,576
martcov said:
We could have done that months ago. We’ve fudged the Irish question which will come back to haunt us and we’ve made concessions on the ECJ. Yes, quite a week.
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The entire agreement is going to be fudge all the way through, always was going to be so. Politicians never do anything else.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,577
Captain Dart said:
You're bonkers.
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I’m bonkers because some people on forums are bonkers? Keep taking the pills it may help,
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,578
Astute said:
And the racist party becomes the biggest not in power. Just what you said you didn't want. Now you say you do.
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No. I don’t want the AfD to be the main opposition party, but I do want a strong and stable government. That is more important. A side effect is that the bigots become the main opposition. Anyway, wait and see..... there is a lot of negotiating to be done...
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,579
Captain Dart said:
The entire agreement is going to be fudge all the way through, always was going to be so. Politicians never do anything else.
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Exactly. No one will be entirely happy and everyone will suffer. Which is what I said all along. Should never have had the referendum.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,580
Kingokings204 said:
We’ve got the deal. Brexit bill is £38-39 billion. I am happy with that. We’ve met our obligations as a country and can now discuss trade.

Turning out to be quite the week for Brexit. Let’s move on to trade now.
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Yes, let‘s move on to the next humiliation,
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,581
martcov said:
Yes, let‘s move on to the next humiliation,
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How have we been humiliated?
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,582
martcov said:
We could have done that months ago. We’ve fudged the Irish question which will come back to haunt us and we’ve made concessions on the ECJ. Yes, quite a week.
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We were always going to make concessions and so have the EU. Yes we have a weak leader but it’s an impossible job in fairness.

We have got a brexit deal and now we can move on which is great news this morning for this great country. I’m sure you agree. Let’s be happy for a bit.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,583
Kingokings204 said:
How have we been humiliated?
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Ask Farage.... I was quoting his tweet...
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,584
Kingokings204 said:
We were always going to make concessions and so have the EU. Yes we have a weak leader but it’s an impossible job in fairness.

We have got a brexit deal and now we can move on which is great news this morning for this great country. I’m sure you agree. Let’s be happy for a bit.
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Yes.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,585
martcov said:
Ask Farage.... I was quoting his tweet...
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I don’t follow farage on Twitter. Nothing is ever going to be good enough for him. Same way for your hardest remainer also.

Yes we’ve made concessions Mart but not humiliated I wouldn’t say.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,586
martcov said:
Ask Farage.... I was quoting his tweet...
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moaning about the divorce bill, I'm sure he'll so his bit to bring the figure down slightly by not drawing hie EU pension!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,587
martcov said:
We could have done that months ago. We’ve fudged the Irish question which will come back to haunt us and we’ve made concessions on the ECJ. Yes, quite a week.
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As you keep blathering on about the Irish question perhaps you can tell me how integration into Eire (which they have said they do not want anyway) would actually be achievable under Eu rules of acceptance into the federal club?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,588
Grendel said:
As you keep blathering on about the Irish question perhaps you can tell me how integration into Eire (which they have said they do not want anyway) would actually be achievable under Eu rules of acceptance into the federal club?
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It is not on the cards. I am not a constitutional lawyer. I am not an expert on EU rules of acceptance. As you say Eire dosen't want it at the moment.

So why are you asking me?
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,589
clint van damme said:
moaning about the divorce bill, I'm sure he'll so his bit to bring the figure down slightly by not drawing hie EU pension!
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He is covering his arse in case it goes horribly wrong. He can always claim that it was May's fault not his own.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,590
martcov said:
It is not on the cards. I am not a constitutional lawyer. I am not an expert on EU rules of acceptance. As you say Eire dosen't want it at the moment.

So why are you asking me?
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Because you have previously stated this will bring the chances of a United Ireland much closer to reality - as did Sick Boy - its actually impossible once we leave Europe isn't it?
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,591
Grendel said:
Because you have previously stated this will bring the chances of a United Ireland much closer to reality - as did Sick Boy - its actually impossible once we leave Europe isn't it?
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Nothing is impossible in this story. The DUP sees it as potentially possible which is why they are jumping up and down.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,592
martcov said:
Nothing is impossible in this story. The DUP sees it as potentially possible which is why they are jumping up and down.
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How would it be possible give EU legislation on new entrants?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,593
Grendel said:
How would it be possible give EU legislation on new entrants?
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At the moment Northern Ireland is a member. The ROI is a member. Who is the new entrant?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,594
Even those that aren't happy with brexit must be pleased/relieved its moved to the next phase of talks. To be fair to May, whatever everyone thinks of her (and lets be honest it probably isn't much after the mess of the election campaign) she's done pretty well to get this moving forward.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,595
martcov said:
At the moment Northern Ireland is a member. The ROI is a member. Who is the new entrant?
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Northern Ireland would be under their legislation. There is zero chance Ireland will be offered a referendum prior to Brexit - Westminster won't do it, there is no Irish Parliament in N Ireland at present and Eire have said they are not interested.

So instead of skirting the issue - tell me how will they be able to join under EU legislation?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,596
Grendel said:
Northern Ireland would be under their legislation. There is zero chance Ireland will be offered a referendum prior to Brexit - Westminster won't do it, there is no Irish Parliament in N Ireland at present and Eire have said they are not interested.

So instead of skirting the issue - tell me how will they be able to join under EU legislation?
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We don't know what the situation will be at Brexit. There is no Northern Ireland Assembly at the moment. That doesn't mean there never will be another one. We have a fudged joint statement at the moment. We cannot say what the final outcome of Brexit will be. We also don't know what will happen in the EU in the future. What looks like happening because of birth rates, is that there will be a catholic/ republican majority in N.I. at some stage not far into the future. The question of unity will arise at some time. The EU will be reformed at some time. The problem of the border has not been solved, just kicked down the road to enable talks on trade to take place.
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,597
Only One Side Compromised for This Brexit Breakthrough

The U.K. bowed to EU demands on all the main issues and will have to keep doing so during trade talks.
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,598
Kingokings204 said:
I don’t follow farage on Twitter. Nothing is ever going to be good enough for him. Same way for your hardest remainer also.

Yes we’ve made concessions Mart but not humiliated I wouldn’t say.
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Dutchman just posted this from Bloomberg:

'Anyone in the U.K. still hoping for a favorable Brexit scenario should realize that the U.K. has minimal leverage in the talks, and any demands on its part are primarily domestically focused rather than meant to change EU negotiators' minds. The U.K. is, unequivocally, the party that gets fleeced in this divorce. The reasonable decision would be to abandon the whole enterprise, but since that doesn't appear to be politically feasible, the U.K. is in for months, perhaps years, of further humiliation at the negotiating table.'

Sort of agrees with Farage.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,599
Grendel said:
How would it be possible give EU legislation on new entrants?
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Because it would be unification not new membership. It’s already happened once. Remember Germany was once divided into east and west.
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,600
skybluetony176 said:
Because it would be unification not new membership. It’s already happened once. Remember Germany was once divided into east and west.
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And the East was no where near the standard of West Germany as regards enviroment, infrastructure etc.. Northern Ireland is already in the EU which East Germany wasn't beforehand.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,601
martcov said:
Dutchman just posted this from Bloomberg:

'Anyone in the U.K. still hoping for a favorable Brexit scenario should realize that the U.K. has minimal leverage in the talks, and any demands on its part are primarily domestically focused rather than meant to change EU negotiators' minds. The U.K. is, unequivocally, the party that gets fleeced in this divorce. The reasonable decision would be to abandon the whole enterprise, but since that doesn't appear to be politically feasible, the U.K. is in for months, perhaps years, of further humiliation at the negotiating table.'

Sort of agrees with Farage.
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So from your previous posts if it agrees in any way with Farage it must be utter bollox and racist.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,602
martcov said:
And the East was no where near the standard of West Germany as regards enviroment, infrastructure etc.. Northern Ireland is already in the EU which East Germany wasn't beforehand.
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And from what I’ve read on the brexit agreement it will continue to conform with the EU post brexit so if *if* Northern Ireland had a referendum and voted leave it’s a formality.
 
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dutchman

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  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,603
skybluetony176 said:
And from what I’ve read on the brexit agreement it will continue to conform with the EU post brexit
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And so will the rest of the UK as far as I can tell which makes a mockery of the majority vote to leave.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,604
Astute said:
So from your previous posts if it agrees in any way with Farage it must be utter bollox and racist.
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No. In this case he is not alone in his opinion.
 

dancers lance

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2017
  • #10,605
Kingokings204 said:
We’ve got the deal. Brexit bill is £38-39 billion. I am happy with that. We’ve met our obligations as a country and can now discuss trade.

Turning out to be quite the week for Brexit. Let’s move on to trade now.
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I can't get my head around this, I've got one side saying It's $40 billion and on the other side I've got Diane Abbott saying It's ninety twelve thirteenty squillion pence, I don't know who to believe?
 
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