mrtrench
Well-Known Member
Great, so if we had controls we could take the number we need and not soak the economy with thousands of people working in factories; washing cars and so on.
The sectors where we need migrants are the sectors which are hardest to automise. Such as catering, hotels and care.
A fairer society for who........The Eastern Europeans who get a good bulk of the money we donate or the Germans who claw it back from them selling their goods and services from their central European base ?
Or a fairer society for the British tax payer who not only foots the bill for this scam but also pays the price because of the effects of uncontrolled mass migration on his pay packet and his bargaining power with employers !? Not to mention joining an ever bigger queue for healthcare, schooling and welfare etc
You seem to have misunderstood what I said. I asked whet you think is the contribution per annum we make to the EU. I was then going to multiply it by 30 and net off the 40 billion.
That’s then how much extra revenue we have. We can then make a rational judgement about if we would be better off and if the uk would be able to make a fairer society for its own citizens. I assume you were only referring to the uk when you said fairer society?
Great, so if we had controls we could take the number we need and not soak the economy with thousands of people working in factories; washing cars and so on.
... and to the detriment of productivity - the cause of a downturn in economic forecasts. This is why: Productivity is the driving force behind economic growth and increased prosperity. Productivity increases through investment in automation by private companies (and also investment in infrastructure by government). When there are so many low-skilled people to choose from it represses wages (supply/demand) and disincentivises investment for greater efficiency.
France has better productivity than the UK because of the labour laws. It's almost impossible to fire someone in France and so companies avoid hiring (does anyone remember 'Bonjour Paresse'?). So they invest in automation and as a result have better productivity AND much higher unemployment.
Absolutely, it is a factor. If we didn't have stamp duty there would not be a financial disincentive to moving - a terrible tax IMO, it disincentivises people from moving which impacts mobility of the workforce and also downsizing. I think that with older people however many wouldn't move even if there were no stamp duty - they have lived where they are most of their lives and they want to stay - and why shouldn't they? My Mum is alone in a 3 bed house in Cov; we've asked her to move in with us and she doesn't want to.
BUT... that has always been the case. Older people have always wanted to stay put - so that isn't the cause of a new crisis is it? Importing 330k people a year and not building enough houses is the cause. I've mentioned before here to give people a feel for that number, but I will repeat. 330k net immigration is greater than the population of Coventry *every single year*. People are saying that it reduced this year... it did, from 330k to 246k. That's still the population of Nottingham. The price of free movement is building the equivalent of a large city in houses every year and supressing wages for the low paid.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.... all a government conspiracy... Not that a right wing fascist group could be trying to influence people by selective reporting of facts. Are the facts backed up? They could be, but have you checked? Or do you believe this group just because they say it’s true?
...and companies in the UK instead choose to invest in a never ending stream of cheap labour
I thought investment was slowing because of uncertainties about Brexit. As well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.... all a government conspiracy... Not that a right wing fascist group could be trying to influence people by selective reporting of facts. Are the facts backed up? They could be, but have you checked? Or do you believe this group just because they say it’s true?
Investment has been stagnant for years, even if it is slowing down due to uncertainties over Brexit. Rather than invest in employees companies find a replacement. Hopefully post Brexit this practice will start to diminish.
Ha ha. Just to confirm my point you make your point with a picture. Classic.
Project Fear SMASHED: Investor insists UK economy is EVEN BETTER since Brexit voteI thought investment was slowing because of uncertainties about Brexit. As well.
That's why I did it.
Shame you are too thick to get the joke.
Investment has been stagnant for years, even if it is slowing down due to uncertainties over Brexit. Rather than invest in employees companies find a replacement. Hopefully post Brexit this practice will start to diminish.
Wouldn't you also have to factor in the additional cost to the UK to replace services provided by the EU currently?You seem to have misunderstood what I said. I asked whet you think is the contribution per annum we make to the EU. I was then going to multiply it by 30 and net off the 40 billion.
Wouldn't you also have to factor in the additional cost to the UK to replace services provided by the EU currently?
One word:
Oskarshamn
And the benefits of EU trade deals with the world.
Oh wait. My mistake. Everyone will be bending over backwards to do deals with us better than the ones that one of the worlds biggest trading blocks can achieve. Just like the EU would with brexit negotiations as BMW want to sell us cars and Merkel controls everything. How’s that working out? Oh yeah, one way concessions to the EU meaning we’ve shifted a country mile and the EU hasn’t changed position hardly at all.
Still it’s not like India want a relaxation on migration into the U.K. as part of any trade deal. OK bad choice. Erm, Australia. It’s not like Australia are basically offering the same trade deal they’re agreeing with the EU at the moment but with a relaxation on immigration into the U.K. Oh wait, they are. New Zealand, wait no. They’ve cottoned on to what Australia have said and are looking for the same. Canada, wait no. See New Zealand. Erm erm, pigs ears. We can sell twice as many pigs ears (ironic given brexit is looking like a pigs ear) into China. That’s the deficit sorted anyway. Oranges, oranges are going to be cheaper. They may have twice as many air miles on them and possibly farmed using contaminated waste water but hey ho who’s worried about global warming and health. The NHS can cope.
Is this the area where migrant children as young as five have to have a police escort to school to stop locals attacking them?
But Tony your last paragraph only becomes reality if the EU refuse us a trade deal............and they won't of course !And the benefits of EU trade deals with the world.
Oh wait. My mistake. Everyone will be bending over backwards to do deals with us better than the ones that one of the worlds biggest trading blocks can achieve. Just like the EU would with brexit negotiations as BMW want to sell us cars and Merkel controls everything. How’s that working out? Oh yeah, one way concessions to the EU meaning we’ve shifted a country mile and the EU hasn’t changed position hardly at all.
Still it’s not like India want a relaxation on migration into the U.K. as part of any trade deal. OK bad choice. Erm, Australia. It’s not like Australia are basically offering the same trade deal they’re agreeing with the EU at the moment but with a relaxation on immigration into the U.K. Oh wait, they are. New Zealand, wait no. They’ve cottoned on to what Australia have said and are looking for the same. Canada, wait no. See New Zealand. Erm erm, pigs ears. We can sell twice as many pigs ears (ironic given brexit is looking like a pigs ear) into China. That’s the deficit sorted anyway. Oranges, oranges are going to be cheaper. They may have twice as many air miles on them and possibly farmed using contaminated waste water but hey ho who’s worried about global warming and health. The NHS can cope and global warming is a myth, Trump said so and he read it with something that had an accompanying picture with it on Facebook so it must be true.
But Tony your last paragraph only becomes reality if the EU refuse us a trade deal............and they won't of course !
Well they've been bribed before, money talks !If you genuinely believe all it will take for the UK to get what it wants with the Irish border is a bribe then you are seriously deluded.
Lets be honest though, all the issues are slowly resolving, the yokes will be released steadily as we provide the real incentive the EU stalwarts want............our billions. They never wanted our input lets be realistic. The Irish issue will be resolved with another bribe, everything we want from the EU will be gained with bribes. The key points are controlling our borders now and the freedom to strike deals all over the world with whoever we like. I just hope that our Theresa is spreading these payments over a long period, mortgage fashion like, just to keep the countries cash flow in order. Your dream of stopping this Mart is contained now in a pipe and is puffing steadily away ! Human nature and greed from your masters at the EU is selling you down the river pal.
Yes. You are for once correct. There are millions who love the UK and don’t want to see it suffer- also in Germany. Including me of course. It is terrible watching the self harm done by Brexit. The potential damage to the GFA is my top concern at the moment. I want the UK to coexist peacefully with it’s neighbour and that the people who live there live in peace and prosperity. A hard border could put an end to that.
If this goes pear shaped, as it looks like doing in Ireland, I will be calling the leavers out for it.
Is this the area where migrant children as young as five have to have a police escort to school to stop locals attacking them?
Beväpnade poliser ska springa med joggare i Oskarshamn – "Folk känner sig otrygga"
No, it’s the area where the police chief said nothing much happens here, but offered people to go jogging with his officers during their evening work outs if they were worried about jogging in a park after dark. The National Socialist version of events is carried on the friatider racist, islamophobic, alt right, populist website ( see above ).
Or they manage to find a form of words which means all things to all sides as David Davis is desperately trying to do right now!They won't even start talks until the Irish border issue with resolved.
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