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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (14 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,221
Astute said:
Both parties are split on Brexit. The only party not split on Brexit is the one formed to get it.

The Tory leader who is in charge of us leaving is a remainer. The leader of Labour has always wanted out. Labour will want the opposite to the Tories. The Tories want the opposite of what is happening. Of course it is a mess.
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Isn’t Labours official policy remain in the single market leave the EU? I.e. not a hard brexit? They’re united on no hard brexit, which is what the government is trying to deliver. Lib Dem’s are anti brexit in any form as so is SNP. Just how many Tory MP’s would have to rebel to scupper a hard brexit? You could be down to a small handful assuming that they can keep the DUP on board and gain their votes. If they don’t hard brexit is over.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,222
martcov said:
You still haven’t answered my question. Has this National Socialist news been verified by anyone else?
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Donald Trump and Britain First. It’s concrete
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,223
skybluetony176 said:
Isn’t Labours official policy remain in the single market leave the EU? I.e. not a hard brexit? They’re united on no hard brexit, which is what the government is trying to deliver. Lib Dem’s are anti brexit in any form as so is SNP. Just how many Tory MP’s would have to rebel to scupper a hard brexit? You could be down to a small handful assuming that they can keep the DUP on board and gain their votes. If they don’t hard brexit is over.
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A wise opposition would keep their powder dry fr the moment, see what else unravels, and then strike...

As it stands now, not convinced the will of the people would appreciate a drastic shift in policy... but they might in six months time!
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,224
Sick Boy said:
Why should Ireland follow the act of self-harm that the UK is undertaking? Ireland has massive support for continued EU membership.
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It’s funny how the countries that were being touted as following us have gone quite on the subject also. Reality hitting home maybe.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,225
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Yeah....they could just vote on it & I'm sure the EU Mandarins would respect the result just like they did with the Lisbon treaty vote........oh hang on.....
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Or like they are doing through article 50...
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,226
So, 'regulatory alignment'...............that's what its all about..............I'm not too sure what it actually all would mean ?! I'm guessing things would stay the same..............but then I'm guessing that will still be as was post Brexit.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,227
skybluetony176 said:
It’s funny how the countries that were being touted as following us have gone quite on the subject also. Reality hitting home maybe.
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As has Nicola Sturgeon...........Jimmy Crankie was all over it for weeks and now................stum !!
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,228
Deleted member 5849 said:
A wise opposition would keep their powder dry fr the moment, see what else unravels, and then strike...

As it stands now, not convinced the will of the people would appreciate a drastic shift in policy... but they might in six months time!
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Some people are beginning to feel a bit queasy at what is going on. Farage says that it is only those on 1m GBP a year in Canary Wharf and the the „ordinary people“ want the government to get on with it. The more this turns into a mess, the more people wil start feeling queasy whether they are in Canary Wharf or Chatham.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,229
Liquid Gold said:
I’m not saying I disagree with you but why bring it up out if the blue when we’re not talking about it?
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Out of the blue?

So it has never been mentioned before?

And didn't I just get asked yet again if why I am a Labour voter and union member why don't I have a go at May more and why am I not happy having Corbyn as leader of Labour?

I have given my reasons about Corbyn. I didn't notice and disagreement. I never say anything good about May. And I also point out the negatives about her. Yet my party allegiance still gets questioned.

So does anyone think that Corbyn is the best Labour has to offer?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,230
Ashdown said:
As has Nicola Sturgeon...........Jimmy Crankie was all over it for weeks and now................stum !!
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She just said she wants special conditions for Scotland. Not exactly stun.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,231
skybluetony176 said:
Isn’t Labours official policy remain in the single market leave the EU? I.e. not a hard brexit? They’re united on no hard brexit, which is what the government is trying to deliver. Lib Dem’s are anti brexit in any form as so is SNP. Just how many Tory MP’s would have to rebel to scupper a hard brexit? You could be down to a small handful assuming that they can keep the DUP on board and gain their votes. If they don’t hard brexit is over.
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So who wants a hard Brexit other than some in the EU?
 
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martcov

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,232
Ashdown said:
So, 'regulatory alignment'...............that's what its all about..............I'm not too sure what it actually all would mean ?! I'm guessing things would stay the same..............but then I'm guessing that will still be as was post Brexit.
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How will things stay the same? We just voted leave. The cracks are appearing.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,233
Astute said:
So who wants a hard Brexit other than some in the EU?
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Kingofkings!
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,234
Astute said:
So who wants a hard Brexit other than some in the EU?
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The Leave means Leave group.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,235
Deleted member 5849 said:
Kingofkings!
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Yes, but without external UK land borders.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,236
clint van damme said:
I'm more concerned with the horrendous increase in crime in the UK and Coventry in particular.
Down to cuts if you ak the police but I'm sure the Tories will get their usual pass or it's Corbyns fault.
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Sorry but its not just down to cuts in police is it, its down to a criminal uplift and mentality, pathetic sentencing and soft prisons ! I would have these wankers breaking rocks for the new HS2 project and working down the mines. The rights of prisoners make me sick, more EU human rights piffle no doubt !
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,237
martcov said:
She just said she wants special conditions for Scotland. Not exactly stun.
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Well I'm off to Edinburgh tomorrow for a few wee drams for 5 days so I'll ask around and see what the craic is !?
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,238
martcov said:
How will things stay the same? We just voted leave. The cracks are appearing.
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Because some things will inevitably stay the same. No one said everything in the union was wrong did they ?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,239
martcov said:
She just said she wants special conditions for Scotland. Not exactly stun.
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It's opportunism on her part as ever (she is a politician). Special conditions for NI are understandable due to its particular circumstances. I am not sure why Scotland thinks it needs its own ones?
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,240
Ashdown said:
Sorry but its not just down to cuts in police is it, its down to a criminal uplift and mentality, pathetic sentencing and soft prisons ! I would have these wankers breaking rocks for the new HS2 project and working down the mines. The rights of prisoners make me sick, more EU human rights piffle no doubt !
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It's down to numbers. With out going into details I recently found out how many police are at times covering the whole of Coventry and what their workload is, it's frightening. That's down to cuts.

What part of the Human rights act to you disagree with? I agree with all of it and expect a life that affords me all of the tenants in it.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,241
martcov said:
Excuse me. What have I denied that remain lost, and when have I blamed Russia? - although I am sure there are anti EU troll farms out there. Earlsdon posted things from an Alt-Right, Populist, National Socialist, democracy sceptical organisation which has a troll farm in Tallinn.

Denial is when a starry eyed leaver tries to paint a rosy picture whilst Brexit begins to go pear shaped.

Maybe you should use a dictionary to check your spelling? Start with the word „dictionary“. It would make you more convincing.
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Sorry again. An obvious spelling mistake from rushing whilst at work.

They tell me once you pick spelling you’ve lost the debate.

You also said “where have I blamed Russia?” And then went on to say there are anti eu farms out there. Utterly laughable. You just can’t help yourself can you. The gift that keeps on giving.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,242
clint van damme said:
It's down to numbers. With out going into details I recently found out how many police are at times covering the whole of Coventry and what their workload is, it's frightening. That's down to cuts.

What part of the Human rights act to you disagree with? I agree with all of it and expect a life that affords me all of the tenants in it.
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Police numbers and efficiency are an issue for sure..............try having a look at average sickness rates as well, quite disgusting !!
I believe that prisoners should forfeit many of their rights and freedoms, some of those are protected by general human rights laws.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,243
martcov - why are you pushing the line that Brexit has gone pear shaped? Nothing has really happened yet, the parties are just going through a very public and politicised negotiation. This isn't a sign of anything going pear shaped, it is good that (at least on the UK side) that some compromise is being shown. I am yet to see any compromise on the part of the EU which gives me confidence that voting leave was the correct decision.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,244
Police crisis as 700 cops off work with depression and stress

I'm not saying I could do it but FFS I think a good few are in the wrong job !!
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,245
Deleted member 5849 said:
Kingofkings!
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Hard brexit doesn’t exist, a soft and a hard brexit wasn’t mentioned once by remain or leave in the campaign. It was remain or leave. I crossed leave. As simple as that.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,246
fernandopartridge said:
martcov - why are you pushing the line that Brexit has gone pear shaped? Nothing has really happened yet, the parties are just going through a very public and politicised negotiation. This isn't a sign of anything going pear shaped, it is good that (at least on the UK side) that some compromise is being shown. I am yet to see any compromise on the part of the EU which gives me confidence that voting leave was the correct decision.
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He has peddled that line for 293 pages now !
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,247
martcov said:
Yes, but without external UK land borders.
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Ok then let me ask a serious question.

what if I said I want a hard border in Ireland?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,248
Ashdown said:
Police numbers and efficiency are an issue for sure..............try having a look at average sickness rates as well, quite disgusting !!
I believe that prisoners should forfeit many of their rights and freedoms, some of those are protected by general human rights laws.
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That doesn't make the human rights act piffle, it just means you believe it shouldn't be afforded to certain people, not sure I agree but I still think it's a good piece of legislation. Like all goods things, it will sometime get abused.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,249
Ashdown said:
He has peddled that line for 293 pages now !
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But he loves the UK and doesn’t want to see it suffer. You know over in is it Germany he is in?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,250
Kingokings204 said:
Hard brexit doesn’t exist, a soft and a hard brexit wasn’t mentioned once by remain or leave in the campaign. It was remain or leave. I crossed leave. As simple as that.
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Yet even Farage was advocating that we should go for the Norway option? Also the leave lot claiming no one was talking about leaving the single market?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,251
Kingokings204 said:
Hard brexit doesn’t exist, a soft and a hard brexit wasn’t mentioned once by remain or leave in the campaign. It was remain or leave. I crossed leave. As simple as that.
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Keeping saying as simple as that and it's that simple doesn't actually make something simple if it's not and this clearly isn't.

Heart transplants, whip the old heart out, stick the new one in, simple as that!!
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,252
Liquid Gold said:
Why the point about third world migrants though. Again, this thread is about the EU. Sweden has always been a haven for refugees and none of this has been forced upon it by the EU. If you want to have an anti migrant thread then make one but your points have absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed here.
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That's rubbish, and a deliberate attempt to try and make it look like leaving the EU will make no difference to stopping an influx of these trouble makers from third world countries.

If you look at the pressure and sanctions put on Poland and Hungary for refusing to accept them, it is a clear indication that the EU does have a large hand in this. They have been giving out quotas ffs.

One of the biggest and most genuine reasons why people have wanted to leave the EU and dis-attach from Germany etc, is due to this problem. By trying to cover it up and brand it not relevant it is a pathetic attempt at trying to make your argument on remain. People have made their own decisions and thankfully have not listened to you on this subject.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,253
Kingokings204 said:
But he loves the UK and doesn’t want to see it suffer. You know over in is it Germany he is in?
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This is a ridiculous line to take. Just because someone lives elsewhere, it doesn't mean they don't want what is best do the country.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,254
clint van damme said:
Keeping saying as simple as that and it's that simple doesn't actually make something simple if it's not and this clearly isn't.

Heart transplants, whip the old heart out, stick the new one in, simple as that!!
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Moan all you like. I was right. The question on the ballot paper asked me to make a choice I think was right. Now I know I’m thick and should be ashamed (oh the irony) but it’s the choice I made.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 5, 2017
  • #10,255
Ashdown said:
As has Nicola Sturgeon...........Jimmy Crankie was all over it for weeks and now................stum !!
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You were asleep all day yesterday then?
 
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