I voted leave not for benefits to this country in 2019 or 2029 for that matter but to begin a process that will one day be able to protect us from the spiralling and burgeoning world population that will overwhelm this little island if measures are not introduced soon. There has to be an end to the cycle of wanton destruction of the landscape for housing and infrastructure sooner or later. Mankind in general has to start to rein itself in before we've passed the point of no return with the environment we live in. Controls on immigration is just the beginning for me, we need incentives for people to procreate responsibly and look after their elder relatives themselves more in the future.
Whatever Tony. I am talking about the way they're going about it, it still remains to be seen whether or not what they're doing is right but the signs are not good.
You can't look constantly at the good side of what you want and the bad side of what you don't want and get the full picture.You’ve already said it doesn’t represent you. Clearly you already think it hasn’t paid off.
It sounds like the DUP could soon be withdrawing their support for the government.
They’re certainly not happy.
DUP warns Brexit may jeopardise Tory deal
Another ill advised decision from the Tory party.
Both are between a rock and hard place...if the DUP withdraw their support they'll likely have Corbyn as PM.
So basically you didn’t know what you voted for. You were voting blind.
The signs are increasingly concerning, especially as Davis had no idea how the EU worked. I still maintain that the whole process has been rushed and there was little or no plan in place and there doesn't appear there is at the moment either.
No, he's just braver than you.
There’s a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Fernando crossed it. Nothing brave about what he did.
Did you ever get a reply from the welsh branch of the EU Commission Tony?
Tony, you said "You said the European Commission for Wales". I remember it well.
It discredits your attempts to defend European institutions to be honest
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Incidentally they want a deal like the rest of UK. We have have the same deal. They are being lectured about by Irish policticans when their own government is about to collapse. They want to look closer to home before ordering NI around.
No, he's just braver than you.
There are so many people that voted remain because they were pussies and cowered to threats made by the government and mainstream media.
The reality is, both votes were a stab in the dark. Remain being the safer and also in some cases, the more cowardly option. Although now we are seeing it isn't so much the status quo as many thought (not that it would ever be admitted).
That's also what part of the not accepting the result is all about. Envy and jealousy towards those that had the courage to try and make a difference.
The abuse for the last few pages has been pretty one way again, so I can't wait for the shock horror reaction this post gets. The above is the same kind of insulting and offensive shit leave voters have been subject to for well over a year.
Suck it up, buttercup.
Their government is not going to fall. All parties in Ireland are on the same page regarding the border.
Now a conservative MEP has suggested a referendum on the border issue. Whether NI should stay in the SM and CI. You no doubt will be in favour of this democratic idea.
No, he's just braver than you.
There are so many people that voted remain because they were pussies and cowered to threats made by the government and mainstream media.
The reality is, both votes were a stab in the dark. Remain being the safer and also in some cases, the more cowardly option. Although now we are seeing it isn't so much the status quo as many thought (not that it would ever be admitted).
That's also what part of the not accepting the result is all about. Envy and jealousy towards those that had the courage to try and make a difference.
The abuse for the last few pages has been pretty one way again, so I can't wait for the shock horror reaction this post gets. The above is the same kind of insulting and offensive shit leave voters have been subject to for well over a year.
Suck it up, buttercup.
Their government is not going to fall. All parties in Ireland are on the same page regarding the border.
Now a conservative MEP has suggested a referendum on the border issue. Whether NI should stay in the SM and CI. You no doubt will be in favour of this democratic idea.
Good grief. Here we go. They can have a referendum if they like. Although word of caution it’s a bit like France having a referendum having vote on Catalan independence.
Why not let the Northern Irish British people decide and their mps?
They are a very proud to be British and that’s why they want the same as the rest of the UK.
The DUP are on slippy ground here. I only have my own large Protestant family to go by (we’ll that and Northern Ireland voting remain) but it’s my experience they’re not representing their audience here. There’s no hunger amongst my family to see the border change. The DUP could be slitting their own throats here to play politics.
Good grief. Here we go. They can have a referendum if they like. Although word of caution it’s a bit like France having a referendum having vote on Catalan independence.
Why not let the Northern Irish British people decide and their mps?
They are a very proud to be British and that’s why they want the same as the rest of the UK.
As I've pointed out earlier I knew what I was voting for. You've come along way from UKIP Tony.You really don’t. Someone a bit sore because they’ve just realised that they didn’t know what they voted for?
How on earth do you compare France and Catalonia? That analogy would be like Great Britain voting leave, NI voting remain, and Britain expecting NI to leave with Britain.
You've lost me (not for the first time)
As I've pointed out earlier I knew what I was voting for. You've come along way from UKIP Tony.
Here's the post where you said it btw:
Awaiting a call from Mr Tim Fisher
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On its way to photobox for a canvasWell what do you know. I did say it. I was wrong. See how that works. I admitted I was wrong.
Now tell me. How’s that EFTA membership you voted for coming along?
Still a possibility Tony, unlike half the drivel you have come out withWell what do you know. I did say it. I was wrong. See how that works. I admitted I was wrong.
Now tell me. How’s that EFTA membership you voted for coming along?
Tony, you said "You said the European Commission for Wales". I remember it well.
It discredits your attempts to defend European institutions to be honest
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In the explanation of what Tony was referring to:
„David Hughes, head of the European Commission's office in Wales, said: "There is no formal investigation into state aid subsidies into any UK sporting club.“
I think commission‘s office in Wales is what Tony meant.
Is that all you and Grendel have got on Tony? He has been wiping the floor with you on this thread. Several people here have either proved they didn’t- and still don’t- know what they voted for, or, like yourself, have admitted that they didn’t know any of the details.
And you just split hairs.
In the meantime our useless government is stumbling around unprepared and divided into negotiations.
Still a possibility Tony, unlike half the drivel you have come out with
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In the explanation of what Tony was referring to:
„David Hughes, head of the European Commission's office in Wales, said: "There is no formal investigation into state aid subsidies into any UK sporting club.“
I think commission‘s office in Wales is what Tony meant.
Is that all you and Grendel have got on Tony? He has been wiping the floor with you on this thread. Several people here have either proved they didn’t- and still don’t- know what they voted for, or, like yourself, have admitted that they didn’t know any of the details.
And you just split hairs.
In the meantime our useless government is stumbling around unprepared and divided into negotiations.
You've lost me (not for the first time)
You're probably more on the ball about this than me, but I also get the impression there is no desire for a hard border from any side.
Another good reason to ensure we leave the EU with a deal.
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