My thoughts are it was a campaign of fear because the same tactics worked on the Scottish referendum. But just about everyone knew what they were voting for then. The EU one was different. A lot of people didn't have a clue. Many didn't know the consequences of leaving or how the EU is run. It was all about fear and not giving the electorate knowledge.
Even with everything I know I can't say what is best. We won't know until the negotiations are over.
The best thing so far is that Ukip are finished. There is no need for them at all now. We can get back to the normal political bullshit. But around the EU they still have the same problem to deal with.
"No deal" is still a possibility, I would say a probability. If the UK gets any kind of 'deal' then every other country in the EU will demand one as well.
We don't know what sort of deal there will be. The EU wants to make deals around the world. We will be a part of this. A deal with us will be the easiest to make. If they can't make a deal with us there is no hope elsewhere unless it is done through spite or as punishment for leaving.The Irish question could be what grinds the whole thing to a halt. To avoid a hard border, I think NI will have to remain in the single market.
A deal is a possibility, but it isn't going to be in our favour, and as we've already seen, Fox's claim that they'd be the easiest negotiations in the country's history were utter rubbish.
We don't know what sort of deal there will be. The EU wants to make deals around the world. We will be a part of this. A deal with us will be the easiest to make. If they can't make a deal with us there is no hope elsewhere unless it is done through spite or as punishment for leaving.
The best thing for Ireland is a deal. Nobody in their right mind would want anything but to keep things as close to what they are now as we can get.
Your mate Nigel said clearly before the vote, Irish border carries on as normal. All EU citizens rights to be guaranteed.
All these things are easy solutions unless some people make it seem impossible of course. In truth it’s quite simple. Would you believe there was even a world before we joined the EU. Incredible isn’t it. Yes the fruit still got picked and airplanes still flew and the Irish had their two countries also. How did we ever cope?
We don't know what sort of deal there will be. The EU wants to make deals around the world. We will be a part of this. A deal with us will be the easiest to make. If they can't make a deal with us there is no hope elsewhere unless it is done through spite or as punishment for leaving.
The best thing for Ireland is a deal. Nobody in their right mind would want anything but to keep things as close to what they are now as we can get.
Apropos fucking prick.. look at the present mess. We were the sick man of Europe at one time, but became a successful country again in the EU. Yes, you voted for leave and now we are a joke again. That makes you one of the guilty ones if this continues to go pear shape.
We have a representative parliamentary system which should debate these things and then decide on behalf of voters. If they get it wrong, they are fucking pricks - if you have got it wrong, then you and the rest of the 17,4 million are fucking pricks. You carry the can for this. It comes with the responsibility of decision making.
A deal with us is complicated. Firstly because we already have one and have to disentangle from that. Secondly because we are divided on what we want.
The Irish border is our problem. We have to solve it. The DUP, a minority on the island of Ireland, doesn’t want an easy solution- the sea border. The DUP is shoring up our wobbly disunited government. Unless May sinks the DUP and herself, there won’t be an easy solution.
We had no where near so much soft fruit as now. Flights were much more expensive and there were much less flights to choose from. The Irish were fighting a low key civil war.
Do you want us to go back to the living standards of the 60s?
Good to see that a deal over the financial obligations has been reached. Yet again the UK hasn't been able to call the shots like we were led to believe. Next will be NI remaining in the Single Market.
The EU wanted £100 billion. If anything it proves the EU can’t call the shots. It’s payable over several decades so the net incomings each year will substantially increase.
Free trade will be round the corner now.
You'd give Alistair Campbell a run for his money. If you think the UK is about to get the equivalent to what it has now with regards to free trade, you're seriously deluded.
I've never seen them demand anything in £ either and certainly not £100bn.
The solution is easy. Keep it as it is. Free trade deal that currently exists is obviously the way forward. It’s really not that impossible.
It was 100 billion euros and pretty widely reported.
Brexit 'divorce bill' could go up to €100bn after fresh demands from EU member states
Face it your hatred for the uk is clouding your judgement. It was said on Five live this morning that it was the bare minimum the Europeans would consider and well below the 100 billion they we’re demanding.
You’d hate Britain to come out well wouldn’t you?
It was 100 billion euros and pretty widely reported.
Brexit 'divorce bill' could go up to €100bn after fresh demands from EU member states
Face it your hatred for the uk is clouding your judgement. It was said on Five live this morning that it was the bare minimum the Europeans would consider and well below the 100 billion they we’re demanding.
You’d hate Britain to come out well wouldn’t you?
Did everyone vote leave for the same reason?A two tier brexit? I fought out means out?
Suits me as I have family in the north and on the border who need free movement for their livelihoods.
I just don’t think that’s what people voted for and people know what they voted for.
It was 100 billion euros and pretty widely reported.
Brexit 'divorce bill' could go up to €100bn after fresh demands from EU member states
Face it your hatred for the uk is clouding your judgement. It was said on Five live this morning that it was the bare minimum the Europeans would consider and well below the 100 billion they we’re demanding.
You’d hate Britain to come out well wouldn’t you?
Have you not been listening to Barnier? He says the rebate has gone. He says we have to pay for 14% of running the EU and not the 12.5% it is with the rebate.It’s a €100b not £100b so less than your trying to make out. It was also the gross figure, the net figure would be less as the rebate would have to be considered, it also states in the article that you link that it was an opening offer, ie it’s a starting point of negotiations. The amount was always going to go down. Davis was suggesting in March that it won’t be tens of billions in fact it could be nothing. From the same source you linked. You tell me who’s moved most. No one is calling all the shots but what is clear is that one side is calling more than the other.
Brexit divorce bill will be ‘nothing like’ tens of billions of pounds, David Davis says
Have you not been listening to Barnier? He says the rebate has gone. He says we have to pay for 14% of running the EU and not the 12.5% it is with the rebate.
No of course not so if we hadn’t joined the EU everything would of stayed in the 60s according to you. It’s desperate stuff at its kindest.
Haha you're not even worth debating with if you're going down that route.
Have you not been listening to Barnier? He says the rebate has gone. He says we have to pay for 14% of running the EU and not the 12.5% it is with the rebate.
You said you’d never heard of £100 billion. I can see six articles on google - do you now accept this was their going in position?
The solution is easy. Keep it as it is. Free trade deal that currently exists is obviously the way forward. It’s really not that impossible.
He only acknowledges good things about the EU and tries to twist everything else.You said you’d never heard of £100 billion. I can see six articles on google - do you now accept this was their going in position?
That’s because it was €100b not pounds. Although you have flip flopped on that yourself over your last half a dozen posts. You seem confused.You said you’d never heard of £100 billion. I can see six articles on google - do you now accept this was their going in position?
He only acknowledges good things about the EU and tries to twist everything else.
You really are a nasty piece of work. How dare I use my vote to have the temerity to go against what you say. I know you don’t like democracy but don’t make it so obvious.
But what I am saying is right.I’m just going by the evidence that Grendull supplied to back up his theory that the EU aren’t calling the shots. He either needs to supply some new evidence to back himself up in r admit he’s got it wrong. Because at the moment that’s all he’s done. Prove himself wrong.
Here we go again.Unlike you who twists everything into something to attack the EU, while bizarrely claiming to be neutral in the whole debate. I guess you can never be wrong up their on the fence though.
Did everyone vote leave for the same reason?
Of course they didn't.
Some wanted more control on who comes into the UK.
Some have had enough of the money we give to the EU each year.
Some have had enough of the homeless situation.
Some have had enough of the NHS not being able to cope.
Some have had enough of the interference from Juncker and his gravytrainers.
Some have had enough of all of these.
And now they have had enough of the moaning because nearly 2 million more voted out than in but can't handle the result.
Here we go again.
So when I have a go at the leavers I am doing the same?
No. You just don't like the parts where I have a go at the EU. And you ignore the rest.
But what I am saying is right.
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