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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (14 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,486
Astute said:
He will be saying that we take billions more out than we put in each year next.
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We get a return on membership through trade and also we save money on civil servants and government offices, which now have to be opened to replace the EU bureaucracy and to manage years of Brexit related paperwork.

Enjoy.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,487
Ashdown said:
Blatantly a lot of Germans were/are not happy with old Ang !!
Merkel 'agrees migrant deal' in talks

I still say her policies had a major influence on the Brexit vote !
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She is currently the second most popular German politician after Schäuble.

She has agreed to a migrant cap - as long as it does not go against the Geneva Convention. Let’s see what happens with the 200001st refugee.

Yes her policies were used by unscrupulous lying leavers to influence the vote by not giving the full facts. The turd even called Merkel „mad Merkel“, a schoolboy trick to demean her in front of his lowest base supporters.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,488
Grendel said:
Given the level of mortgage borrowing is much lower in Germany why is household debt still pushing 60% of GDP - given the GDP is very high in Germany?
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Is this why you asked?

Households Debt in the United Kingdom increased to 88 percent of GDP in the first quarter of 2017 from 87.60 percent of GDP in the fourth quarter of 2016. Households Debt To Gdp in the United Kingdom averaged 57.83 percent of GDP from 1966 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 97.10 percent of GDP in the first quarter of 2010 and a record low of 29.20 percent of GDP in the second quarter of 1971
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,489
martcov said:
Is this why you asked?

Households Debt in the United Kingdom increased to 88 percent of GDP in the first quarter of 2017 from 87.60 percent of GDP in the fourth quarter of 2016. Households Debt To Gdp in the United Kingdom averaged 57.83 percent of GDP from 1966 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 97.10 percent of GDP in the first quarter of 2010 and a record low of 29.20 percent of GDP in the second quarter of 1971
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No -- why I asked is that you made an observation about German credit card usage being low. Also the German culture is not a mortgage based culture either. Given the GDP in Germany is higher than the UK in actual amounts the gap is less. So where is the debt (which is actually large for a non borrowing country traditionally) going? Your quoting suggests you didn't understand the point I was making
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,490
Grendel said:
No -- why I asked is that you made an observation about German credit card usage being low. Also the German culture is not a mortgage based culture either. Given the GDP in Germany is higher than the UK in actual amounts the gap is less. So where is the debt (which is actually large for a non borrowing country traditionally) going? Your quoting suggests you didn't understand the point I was making
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I already agreed that they don’t use credit cards like we do. I explained that is cheap loans. My step daughter has just bought a car - credit was easy and cheap. I have just been offered 1,18% fixed for 10 years. Credit Reform ( credit refence company ) reckons around 10% of the population have too much debt.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,491
Grendel said:
No -- why I asked is that you made an observation about German credit card usage being low. Also the German culture is not a mortgage based culture either. Given the GDP in Germany is higher than the UK in actual amounts the gap is less. So where is the debt (which is actually large for a non borrowing country traditionally) going? Your quoting suggests you didn't understand the point I was making
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I also posted that Germany isn’t as big on mortgages or house ownership. So I think I got your point, but was wondering what prompted it.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,492
Good to see that a deal over the financial obligations has been reached. Yet again the UK hasn't been able to call the shots like we were led to believe. Next will be NI remaining in the Single Market.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,493
Sick Boy said:
Good to see that a deal over the financial obligations has been reached. Yet again the UK hasn't been able to call the shots like we were led to believe. Next will be NI remaining in the Single Market.
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We could if we had a brexit leader and believer. May is weak and past it. It’s a matter of time until she goes. 45m sterling isn’t acceptable to anyone.

Also you can’t have your cake and eat it you said above it’s good to see a financial settlement and then go on to criticize the UK not calling the shots. Which one is it?

We should all be furious with the bill (if true) involved. Remain voter or leave.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,494
Kingokings204 said:
We could if we had a brexit leader and believer. May is weak and past it. It’s a matter of time until she goes. 45m sterling isn’t acceptable to anyone.

Also you can’t have your cake and eat it you said above it’s good to see a financial settlement and then go on to criticize the UK not calling the shots. Which one is it?
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I'm not being critical of the UK not calling the shots, the notion that they were ever able to and will do is absurd. I'm just glad that both sides have finally agreed to a figure.

Having a 'Brexit leader' wouldn't change anything at all. Isn't Davis a Brexit man and he is leading the negotiations. He did think the UK could do trade deals with individual EU countries though, so is likely incompetent.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,495
Sick Boy said:
I'm not being critical of the UK not calling the shots, the notion that they were ever able to and will do is absurd. I'm just glad that both sides have finally agreed to a figure.

Having a 'Brexit leader' wouldn't change anything at all. Isn't Davis a Brexit man and he is leading the negotiations. He did think the UK could do trade deals with individual EU countries though, so is likely incompetent.
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Yup. Blame those who promised the world, rather than those who have to deliver the reality.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,496
martcov said:
We get a return on membership through trade and also we save money on civil servants and government offices, which now have to be opened to replace the EU bureaucracy and to manage years of Brexit related paperwork.

Enjoy.
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Sorry, we get a return through trade? We have a trade deficit of around £60-80b a year.

try again.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,497
Sick Boy said:
Good to see that a deal over the financial obligations has been reached. Yet again the UK hasn't been able to call the shots like we were led to believe. Next will be NI remaining in the Single Market.
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A two tier brexit? Don’t be silly, out means out and we all know what we voted for.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,498
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yup. Blame those who promised the world, rather than those who have to deliver the reality.
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Failing that blame those who didn’t vote for it rather than those who did taking responsibility for their own vote.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,499
Kingokings204 said:
Sorry, we get a return through trade? We have a trade deficit of around £60-80b a year.

try again.
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Do you think that will decrease if we leave?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,500
skybluetony176 said:
Do you think that will decrease if we leave?
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If we went for a protectionist socialist Brexit, with tariffs and state aid for our industry... it might.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,501
Sick Boy said:
I'm not being critical of the UK not calling the shots, the notion that they were ever able to and will do is absurd. I'm just glad that both sides have finally agreed to a figure.

Having a 'Brexit leader' wouldn't change anything at all. Isn't Davis a Brexit man and he is leading the negotiations. He did think the UK could do trade deals with individual EU countries though, so is likely incompetent.
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Ok that explains a bit. A brexit leader would change everything. You think farage would of paid 45b sterling? I don’t.

Goes back to my point. We will end up out the EU having paid all this money and concessions and as remainers and leavers we all lose. Great.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,502
skybluetony176 said:
Do you think that will decrease if we leave?
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No. What’s your point?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,503
Kingokings204 said:
You think farage would of paid 45b sterling? I don’t.
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Farage is however an inveterate liar, who knew full well he wouldn't have to be the one having to face up to the consequences of his falsehoods and mistruths.

So maybe not the best example...
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,504
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yup. Blame those who promised the world, rather than those who have to deliver the reality.
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It isn’t the reality. It’s a sell out from an incompetent government-who don’t want to leave the EU.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,505
Deleted member 5849 said:
If we went for a protectionist socialist Brexit, with tariffs and state aid for our industry... it might.
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Which apparently we didn’t vote for. It’s all about free trade apparently. Exactly why the trade deficit is unlikely to change by any great shakes. Might actually get worse with cheaper products coming in out competing British produce.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,506
Deleted member 5849 said:
Farage is however an inveterate liar, who knew full well he wouldn't have to be the one having to face up to the consequences of his falsehoods and mistruths.

So maybe not the best example...
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I was teasing a bit but the point is valid. A true brexiteer paying 45b sterling. No chance.

I’m furious with this payment but you know what we will be free from the EU so overall it’s worth it bigtime.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,507
Kingokings204 said:
I was teasing a bit but the point is valid. A true brexiteer paying 45b sterling. No chance.

I’m furious with this payment but you know what we will be free from the EU so overall it’s worth it bigtime.
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What would a true brexiteer have done as a solution to the problem?
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,508
Kingokings204 said:
I was teasing a bit but the point is valid. A true brexiteer paying 45b sterling. No chance.

I’m furious with this payment but you know what we will be free from the EU so overall it’s worth it bigtime.
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Just shows how thick true Brexiteers are. Did they just think they could walk away without paying? That no one would notice that we aren’t paying what we signed up to? What did you vote for? To leg it without paying? To be taken to some international court or black balled by the WTO?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 28, 2017
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I'd have thought Brexiteers would have been delighted that we're a step closer to leaving...
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,510
Kingokings204 said:
I was teasing a bit but the point is valid. A true brexiteer paying 45b sterling. No chance.

I’m furious with this payment but you know what we will be free from the EU so overall it’s worth it bigtime.
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Are you furious that Ireland is going to veto trade talks? Are you furious that citizens want to keep their rights?what are your solutions on citizenship and the Irish border - a border which is not allowed under the GFA?

You are the one who claims that everyone knew what they voted for? Really? What did Farage say about these things before the vote?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,511
Kingokings204 said:
Ok that explains a bit. A brexit leader would change everything. You think farage would of paid 45b sterling? I don’t.

Goes back to my point. We will end up out the EU having paid all this money and concessions and as remainers and leavers we all lose. Great.
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Farage?!! He has never even been able to get elected as an MP in this country. I'm not sure what he would do apart from lead us down an even more destructive path.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,512
Kingokings204 said:
Ok that explains a bit. A brexit leader would change everything. You think farage would of paid 45b sterling? I don’t.

Goes back to my point. We will end up out the EU having paid all this money and concessions and as remainers and leavers we all lose. Great.
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Yes. You got it at last. We all lose through Brexit. But you voted for it. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,513
Deleted member 5849 said:
Farage is however an inveterate liar, who knew full well he wouldn't have to be the one having to face up to the consequences of his falsehoods and mistruths.

So maybe not the best example...
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He was also calling for us to stay in the single market through the Norway option. Unless he didn't actually know what he was talking about?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,514
martcov said:
Yes. You got it at last. We all lose through Brexit. But you voted for it. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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The brexiteers should at least take responsibility for it. They knew what they voted for so surely non of this came as a surprise.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,515
Sick Boy said:
He was also calling for us to stay in the single market through the Norway option. Unless he didn't actually know what he was talking about?
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I’ll have to look for the moment someone explained it to him on camera and the look on his face when he realises what he’d been promoting something different to what he thought it was. Might have been David Cameron during their televised debate. I’ll have a look.
 
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martcov

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,516
Sick Boy said:
Good to see that a deal over the financial obligations has been reached. Yet again the UK hasn't been able to call the shots like we were led to believe. Next will be NI remaining in the Single Market.
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I really hope so. They voted decisively for remain and no one wants a border through the island of Ireland. Not even the DUP or the Brexiteers- they just try to blame the EU for having to control one side of it. Not mentioning that they were the ones wanting hard borders with EU and they would have to control their side.

I hope that the government gets a deserved hiding from the EU. That is not being a traitor, but I think the government are handling the whole thing terribly.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,517

Here’s a montage.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,518
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd have thought Brexiteers would have been delighted that we're a step closer to leaving...
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I am. I just wouldn’t of been as weak and paid way over the odds. That’s life though.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,519
martcov said:
Yes. You got it at last. We all lose through Brexit. But you voted for it. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Yes how dare I vote. How dare I use my right to vote.

Fucking prick.
 
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Marty

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  • Nov 28, 2017
  • #9,520
Why do the remainer's want us to fail so badly? I get that you may have wanted a different outcome, but as a country we voted to leave, and we'll all share the consequences, if they are good or bad. So lets just get on with it, with the best outcome for us as a nation.
 
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