Right wing sites? OMG look at them all. List them all and say it again.
The EU has been moving toward that goal for many years, just like the European super state, there were provisions in the Lisbon treaty.There are no plans for a European army.
Hardly anyone defends the Tories or May. So I don't get the chance to put my point across much. Corbyn is seen as Labours saviour by some. Those who detest us leaving the EU love Corbyn. And Corbyn wants out of the EU. I just don't get it.you don't constantly have a go at the both of them. Just reading through the Corbyn thread. A couple of both as bad as each other comments and and I don't trust May she's a remainer but lots of specific attacks on Labour politicians.
The only Labour politician you said anything positive about was Blair.
When I get chance I'll look through this thread and I'll bet it's the same.
Been nothing but bad news for the economy this week and I haven't seen one post from you, (there may be one I have seen it), asking a single question of Hammond or of the spiralling cost of Brexit.
If you support them just come out with it.
The comments about the police were made to highlight the fact we don't fund vital public services correctly, so why do you and others think we'll fund adequate border control?
I still can't believe the unending love for the EU after all the truth has come out.more bad news:
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can't believe some people still have an unwavering faith in this whole brexit process.
Hardly anyone defends the Tories or May. So I don't get the chance to put my point across much. Corbyn is seen as Labours saviour by some. Those who detest us leaving the EU love Corbyn. And Corbyn wants out of the EU. I just don't get it.
The only good thing I ever say about Bliar was his charisma. Something that has been lacking from a Labour leader since. And some try to say that Corbyn is charismatic. But they can't explain why.
The Tories were so weak the last general election. They were there for the taking. And they still nearly got the majority.
You said there was a plan for an EU Army. You then posted links that didn't show plans for an EU Army but for a voluntary defence force!
I still can't believe the unending love for the EU after all the truth has come out.
The EU has been moving toward that goal for many years, just like the European super state, there were provisions in the Lisbon treaty.
EU leaders launch ‘historic’ plan for joint military force
I am going to ignore you from now. Showed you lots of proof. Even showed you where Juncker admitted to it. You admitted most EU countries are going into it. Then you say there are no plans.
This thread should be renamed to something like Come out with bullshit thread.
And as I keep saying we won't have a clue until we see what sort of deal that we get.but you and others still haven't said a word about the frankly abysmal economic predictions that have come out this week, I find it hard to comprehend.
None of this would be happening if we had voted remain so as flawed as the EU is wouldn't we have been better staying in, at least until we had a clear plan and decent leadership to get us out?
And as I keep saying we won't have a clue until we see what sort of deal that we get.
Some like to ignore those in the EU that want a good deal. They just want to give full exposure to those who say we will crash and burn. The same people got the crash of 2007 wrong. They are wrong more than right. And they are supposed to be experts. But saying rhis leaves me open to thise trying to make out that I am anti EU and love the Tories for some reason.
Decent leadership? Could be a long time before that happens. No party seems to be in a rush to put their best people forward. All parties have much better.
And as I keep saying we won't have a clue until we see what sort of deal that we get.
Some like to ignore those in the EU that want a good deal. They just want to give full exposure to those who say we will crash and burn. The same people got the crash of 2007 wrong. They are wrong more than right. And they are supposed to be experts. But saying rhis leaves me open to thise trying to make out that I am anti EU and love the Tories for some reason.
Decent leadership? Could be a long time before that happens. No party seems to be in a rush to put their best people forward. All parties have much better.
It is a wait and see thing. Not going to panic. We will still be in growth. We are not starting from a lower base like other countries.but it has transpired this week we have the lowest growth of any G7 country.
The lowest predicted growth of any modern budget. That wages won't get back to pre crash levels for 2 decades and that the deficit won't be cleared until at least 2030.
To add to this we are having to use valuable money to fund Brexit. I can't find anyone contradicting this but a lot of people don't seem bothered.
Is that right?Position paper transmitted to the UK: essential principles on the financial settlement
Here’s the link Dave put up for you several pages ago that you keep ignoring. The EU have set their stall out. It’s our government that is posturing because they don’t know what to do, hence the emergency cabinet meeting.
Hence the downgraded growth forecast.
It is a wait and see thing. Not going to panic. We will still be in growth. We are not starting from a lower base like other countries.
Nobody can say it will be good. Nobody can say it will be bad.
It is a wait and see thing. Not going to panic. We will still be in growth. We are not starting from a lower base like other countries.
Nobody can say it will be good. Nobody can say it will be bad.
you're ignoring the facts mate. We're talking about the G7 countries, none of them are starting from a low base, (maybe Japan).
And by the way, a senior Indian diplomat has today said that the price for a free trade deal with Indian will be easy access to visas for Indian citizens and even then a deal may not get signed until 2030. So much for the fabled free trade deals we'll be signing a one minute past midnight on March 29th/30th.
Britain must accept more immigrants if it wants a free trade deal, Indian diplomat warns
Imagine the reaction of certain sections of the leave vote when they find out we might be getting more brown people
Imagine the reaction of certain sections of the leave vote when they find out we might be getting more brown people
Can you stop insulting people even when in jest?
I don't disagree. But they are all forecasts. And most will be wrong. It could even be worse for us. We just don't know.
But most of our trade is outside the EU. Some would like that fact to be hidden. Business leaders throughout the EU want a good deal as we buy much more than we sell. So it isn't time to slit your wrists yet.
Is that right?
Dave says we should agree to paying for everything without knowing how much it will cost. Not even to the nearest 10 billion.
It is all posturing. Maybe it would be best if we acted like c.unts like Barnier and Juncker do. It could all of been done in a friendly and constructive way. But they have made it as difficult as they can.
Can you stop insulting people even when in jest?
I don't disagree. But they are all forecasts. And most will be wrong. It could even be worse for us. We just don't know.
But most of our trade is outside the EU. Some would like that fact to be hidden. Business leaders throughout the EU want a good deal as we buy much more than we sell. So it isn't time to slit your wrists yet.
How is he insulting people? We were told that a large reason for the leave vote was due to migration, especially eastern Europeans.
It sounds like you've been listening to the likes of Davies who entered negotiations without knowing how the EU works.
you're ignoring the facts mate. We're talking about the G7 countries, none of them are starting from a low base, (maybe Japan).
And by the way, a senior Indian diplomat has today said that the price for a free trade deal with Indian will be easy access to visas for Indian citizens and even then a deal may not get signed until 2030. So much for the fabled free trade deals we'll be signing a one minute past midnight on March 29th/30th.
Britain must accept more immigrants if it wants a free trade deal, Indian diplomat warns
Imagine the reaction of certain sections of the leave vote when they find out we might be getting more brown people
Just spent 3 pages on here “discussing” with someone about how our culture is being “diluted” and he doesn’t like it. He fails to understand that foreign influence has not diluted our culture on the contrary it’s shaped it. His traditional British Sunday roast has been reduced to beef without foreign veg that’s been introduced into the UK over centuries. He can’t even have it in a sandwich because bread is an Egyptian invention.
I'm not saying we should pay some plucked out of thin air figure. You're not going to get an exact figure now because some items in the calculation will rely on things that haven't even happened yet!Dave says we should agree to paying for everything without knowing how much it will cost. Not even to the nearest 10 billion.
What is a 'brown' person?what insult? It's true, for certain sections of the leave vote it was nearly all about immigration, (ESB1 said it was about immigration for the majority, I'm not sure I agree). So how do you think those people will feel if we end up with increased immigration from the sub continent?
I have answered it several times. So here we go again.I'm not saying we should pay some plucked out of thin air figure. You're not going to get an exact figure now because some items in the calculation will rely on things that haven't even happened yet!
I'm saying that reading the EU's position paper there is nothing in there that seems unreasonable. I've asked you numerous times to say what in that paper you specifically disagree with but you never answer.
I'm more than happy to change my opinion of the EU's position if someone can make a case for doing so but our government won't, or can't, give a similar statement of our position and those saying the EU are being unreasonable, such as yourself, won't say what in the paper they don't agree with.
Calm down dear.Said all along that the only thing that will change is the demographics when it comes to immigration. Seems India is jockeying for position to make sure that they’re at the front of the queue for the replacement immigration to EU immigration into the UK. I wonder how many more developing countries will take the same stance as India as part of any trade deal? Maybe that’s what people meant when they said countries will be lining up to do a deal with us when we leave the EU? I doubt it though, we’re talking about people who thought everyone will bow down before us with a begging bowl hoping to do a trade deal on our own terms.
Not happening so far. It seems the EU being a protectionist organisation also gave us some protection too.
Calm down dear.
Most of our trade is outside the EU. It is down to those that you stoutly defend in the EU for what sort of trade deal there is. But whatever happens you will still defend them.
If they want what is best for the people of the EU there will be a good deal. How much faith do you have in the EU for wanting what is best for the people of the EU?
I have answered it several times. So here we go again.
They say 3 things must be sorted out first. Our exit bill, the rights of EU residents that have come here to live and what will happen with the border in Ireland. It all sounds simple if you don't consider it.
So the exit bill. We will be in the EU until 2019 minimum. The budget was set until 2020. So if we stay until 2020 what bill will there be? Then you have the EIB. They have now said that we have to pay towards projects for years to come. This includes projects not even started or agreed on. This is a massive amount. So how can this be under funds already agreed? How many tens of billions could this become? And whilst in the EU we are a member. But when we leave the EU we can't be a member anymore. But although we can't be a member they still want the full 16.1% off us. So how many more.dodgy looking loans do you think they can give out in the next 8 years or so? Then you have the piss take. They have stopped most investments in the UK. So we can't be a member, no investments in the UK but we are up for the funds for many years to come. Barnier is now saying that we must pay our 14% cost of running the EU. We have always paid 12.5% since Maggie got the rebate because of unfair advantages to French farmers. He wants to take this away. Doesn't sound a lot. But that is 4.5 billion a year. So over 3 years it adds 13.5 billion. So no. I don't trust them. They are putting it up as much as they can. But we still must say what we will pay for without not having a clue how much each part will cost. Would you go into a shop if you didn't know the price of anything but would only find out when it was time to pay?
Immigrants rights? This should be sorted out and signed straight away. This affects millions of people. People from the UK have made their lives in the EU. People from the EU have made their lives in the UK. They should not be used as pawns in a stupid game of bluff and double bluff. They should.not be used to inflate peoples egos. It should be signed now so they can know where their futures lie. Borh sides are saying the deal is about done. But it can't be finalised until the Brexit bill....where a bill isn't given.....is sorted. Fuck them. Put the people first. Have they considered what it is doing to those affected?
The Irish border. Either a massive mistake putting this in the first part of talks or a masterstroke by Juncker to cause shit during negotiations. What sort of border will there be? Well that all depends on what sort of trade deal that can be negotiated. Yes that sounds easy enough. But what happens with the Irish border must be decided before they even start negotiations on a trade deal. A tariff free deal would make it easy. Full tariffs would make it hard. But this needs to be decided before we know the slightest on any trade deal. So how can any decision be made?
Yes I wanted us to stay in the EU. But in the back of my mind I wanted what was best for my younger kids and my grandkids. House prices are getting stupid. My eldest kids have bought their own properties. But it is getting harder all the time. And with our population going up by over half a million each year it will keep on getting harder. I don't trust any political party to change how many houses are being built. The government will be either Labour or the Tories. They have done nothing about the situation.
The NHS can't cope in many areas. I see it the most when someone comes here and needs to use it. They are amazed how easy it is here. The last time was when my daughter in laws mother was here. She was having breathing difficulties. She walked into a near empty hospital. She was seen straight away. Her follow up appointment the next day with our doctor was an appointment an hour after calling up for one. This is what we are used to. This is how it should be. How many have it the same? Immigrants don't come here to live. We don't have homeless people on the streets. House prices are cheap in some areas. Properties start at about 40k in some areas. You can get a 6 bed house for just over 100k in some areas. Skilled wages are high. Crime is low. I have a 13.5 mile beach on my doorstep where holiday makers don't go. I have the Lake District that I can see from the beach. People are very friendly. People have pride in qhere they live. So it isn't a scumbag area that makes house prices cheap. The worse areas are as good as the better areas in some cities. But when I go elsewhere I see the difference. We are getting traffic lights on the M6 as it can't cope with the traffic that has been getting worse over the last few years.
Then some try to call me racist for saying what I have observed.
What is a 'brown' person?
So you honestly don't know how much of an insult it is?I'd imagine the people coming from India will be brown. You know I'm right so are trying to play semantics. Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but there will be plenty who won't be happy.
Of course, the Government might say no deal and that's one of our target markets out the window.
So you honestly don't know how much of an insult it is?
My eldest daughter is half asian. She is black. But she looks like she has a sun tan.
So you honestly don't know how much of an insult it is?
My eldest daughter is half asian. She is black. But she looks like she has a sun tan.
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