Isn't the key word there illegal? That's not going to change because we leave the EU.
Oddly one of the BoE monetary committee thinks leaving the EU will make that worse. Not sure I follow the logic in that.Depressed/low wages,
I think most people in the country agree that controlled immigration is good for the country. What isn't is uncontrolled i.e. Not being able to decide who comes into the country and how many.
Housing is a major issue currently. If only 250k of new houses are being built every year and we have a similar number in net migration it doesn't take Einstein to work out that the situation won't improve quickly.
We all know a high number of under 30s voted remain, the same demographic that are struggling to get on the housing ladder due to a shortage of property leading to high prices.
I hear the same challenges/contradictions constantly from people arguing for remain (or in other words continued uncontrolled immigration - I appreciate that we also have a large number of non EU migrants but we do have a choice/control to some extent over this) People complaining about Depressed/low wages, public services being stretched etc etc. These arent all the nasty tory party's fault or capitalism gone wrong. These issues will have no doubt been impacted to some extent by large numbers of net migration.
Difficult choices have to be made in life as we don't live in a utopian society. We either accept the impacts good and bad or do something about it.
I've have also never understood how people find it acceptable why someone from the EU (whether they have skills we require or not) should a better chance of living and working here than a potentially highly skilled Australian, American or African ?
I've said it to numerous people (friend and relatives) over the past year or two, the EU only had to make one consession to ensure a remain win (possibly by landslide) - provide an element of control over immigration. Even if they agreed X tens of thousands per year could have total freedom of movement. Then it's limited to the country's capacity to absorb higher numbers or fill the right skill sets - the same as migrants from non EU countries
Unfortunately the arrogance and stubbornness of the EU (and No doubt partly due to Cameron's pathetic attempts to negotiate) led to this mess of a situation which isn't what most people (in the UK or EU) actually want.
Oddly one of the BoE monetary committee thinks leaving the EU will make that worse. Not sure I follow the logic in that.
Brexit: UK workers willing to accept lower wages as deadline to leave EU approaches, says Bank of England policymaker
...the UK continues to display plenty of arrogance and ignorance itself.
Why should the EU have changed the rules yet again for the UK? Most people seem to talk as though the leave vote was something of a landslide, when it was anything but.
I've never suggested it was a landslide for Brexit. In fact my comment that one minor (in my view) consession could have made it a landslide for remain suggests the exact opposite
The EU as with any country needs to accept and address people's concerns and fears. If it's doesn't then there's only one way it will go. For example Junkers views for closer integration are not shared by a lot of the general public in the EU
And what is the biggest cause of lower wages? Oh yes. Over supply of labour. And that is exactly what you want.Those happy about a decrease in wages are morons.
In what way is it only a UK issue?The issue with internal EU migration is very much a UK issue.
Well, we were previously told that Austria, France and Holland were about to follow Britain's lead, it doesn't look like is going to happen anytime soon.
Stop insulting Britain, top German politician tells the EU | Daily Mail OnlineNo one can say if it's unrealistic or not because none of us no the detail or what future pay outs we will get. It could be a great deal, it could be awful. None of us know.
Personally, even if it does prove to be on the high side, I think it will be money well spent if it stops us walking away with no deal.
What I did find strange was that the cabinet has apparently said they will back May but need to know exactly what we will get for 40 Billion. Well surely you would want a comprehensive break down whether it was 5 billion or 100 billion?
I think most people in the country agree that controlled immigration is good for the country. What isn't is uncontrolled i.e. Not being able to decide who comes into the country and how many.
Housing is a major issue currently. If only 250k of new houses are being built every year and we have a similar number in net migration it doesn't take Einstein to work out that the situation won't improve quickly.
We all know a high number of under 30s voted remain, the same demographic that are struggling to get on the housing ladder due to a shortage of property leading to high prices.
I hear the same challenges/contradictions constantly from people arguing for remain (or in other words continued uncontrolled immigration - I appreciate that we also have a large number of non EU migrants but we do have a choice/control to some extent over this) People complaining about Depressed/low wages, public services being stretched etc etc. These arent all the nasty tory party's fault or capitalism gone wrong. These issues will have no doubt been impacted to some extent by large numbers of net migration.
Difficult choices have to be made in life as we don't live in a utopian society. We either accept the impacts good and bad or do something about it.
I've have also never understood how people find it acceptable why someone from the EU (whether they have skills we require or not) should a better chance of living and working here than a potentially highly skilled Australian, American or African ?
I've said it to numerous people (friend and relatives) over the past year or two, the EU only had to make one consession to ensure a remain win (possibly by landslide) - provide an element of control over immigration. Even if they agreed X tens of thousands per year could have total freedom of movement. Then it's limited to the country's capacity to absorb higher numbers or fill the right skill sets - the same as migrants from non EU countries
Unfortunately the arrogance and stubbornness of the EU (and No doubt partly due to Cameron's pathetic attempts to negotiate) led to this mess of a situation which isn't what most people (in the UK or EU) actually want.
Stop insulting Britain, top German politician tells the EU | Daily Mail Online
Now tell us that Barnier isn't taking the piss.
And what is the biggest cause of lower wages? Oh yes. Over supply of labour. And that is exactly what you want.
Yes a German MEP saying that the EU is taking the piss.Henkel was in the AfD until 2015. He left because of Petry and her husband, but is still a supporter of some AfD views. He is not a leading politician in Germany, but a MEP.
So last week you took the piss out of the full employment quote. And quite rightly so. Now you use it to try and prove a point. How unusualHow is there an over supply of labour? We have virtually brim full employment- There will never be 0,00% unemployment. People are between jobs, just out of school or university still looking for the right job, or maybe people don’t want to work. If we have such low unemployment, then there is an under supply of labour. The biggest cause of low wages is the type of jobs available and the power of large international employers against relatively unorganised labour.
So last week you took the piss out of the full employment quote. And quite rightly so. Now you use it to try and prove a point. How unusual
Mass migration lowers wages by £450 and ‘DOES NOT work for British people’
And here is one to test you
Jeremy Corbyn: “wholesale” EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers
In what way is it only a UK issue?
You love the EU.You just JC should resign on another thread yet are now quoting him?
We are the most affected by it. There are now so many more cars on the road that they are putting traffic lights on the M6. What a great idea. Our population is catching up with Germany. But you are happy about it. There are millions of homeless people. But you blame anyone other than EU rules. Yes I get you. We can't allow in the trades we need. But you don't mind. I would prefer those non EU immigrants with the skills we need over anyone from the EU that doesn't have the skills we need. You are against that. Then you moan about the hospital situation and blame anything but the EU rules. Yes I also get that.Other EU counties do not have an issue with internal EU migration. You seem to get easily confused over the difference between EU and non EU migration.
You love the EU.
You love Corbyn.
He wants out of the EU.
It is you that needs to work out where your loyalties are. But you can't come out with it. You can only bash the Tories and defend Labour.
We are the most affected by it. There are now so many more cars on the road that they are putting traffic lights on the M6. What a great idea. Our population is catching up with Germany. But you are happy about it. There are millions of homeless people. But you blame anyone other than EU rules. Yes I get you. We can't allow in the trades we need. But you don't mind. I would prefer those non EU immigrants with the skills we need over anyone from the EU that doesn't have the skills we need. You are against that. Then you moan about the hospital situation and blame anything but the EU rules. Yes I also get that.
ObjectiveActually I'm neutral in this debate.
Isn't the key word there illegal? That's not going to change because we leave the EU.
MPs just voted 'that animals cannot feel pain or emotions'
It makes you proud to be British! God Save The Queen. BREXIT BREXIT BREXIT!
So last week you took the piss out of the full employment quote. And quite rightly so. Now you use it to try and prove a point. How unusual
Mass migration lowers wages by £450 and ‘DOES NOT work for British people’
And here is one to test you
Jeremy Corbyn: “wholesale” EU immigration has destroyed conditions for British workers
That's disgraceful tbf. I just don't think politicians are on the same planet as normal folk.
I’m aware of that but apparently there is mass migration coming from third world countries in Africa. Perhaps you should explain to Earlsdon sky blue what constitutes mass immigration. Not forgetting the 4.4 billion population of Asia. That must be empty too.
on a thread where someone said he was glad a girl had been killed you save your outrage for animals? ( I do agree it's a disgrace).
Yes a German MEP saying that the EU is taking the piss.
Mr Henkel, an MEP and former head of the Federation of German Industries – the equivalent of the CBI – said its view was that Britain should have the ‘best deal possible’.
I suppose you know more than he does as usual as his view differs to your own.
But again they are people we have a legitimate reason not to allow entry to the country now so leaving the EU will make no difference.I'd say the keywords you want are migrants posing as refugees to be honest.
The same foundation says that the labour market is tight, but wages are still not rising in line with inflation. It says that the recent British model has been one of „low skill, low pay“ jobs. Which is what I said.
Corbyn is contradictory and seems to mess up in this article.
Whatever... we have almost full employment- although through low skill, low paid jobs. You could blame migrants for that, but I wouldn’t.
I think employers are happy enough to employ people on low wages rather than improving productivity.
Anyway, you should be happy that the pesky migrants are going home. Soon the British will be working in jobs which 450,00 more.
Considering that Britain was top of the G7 countries for GDP, and the 6. biggest economy in the world whilst at the same time being destroyed by EU migrants, things can only get even better now that they are going home ;-)
There’s also the small matter of the minimum wage and living wage. Both of which are set by the British government. Nothing to do with the EU or immigrants. The government could address some of the issues surrounding low pay anytime they want but have chosen not to. They could quite easily link both to inflation but don’t. Maybe they’ll be an announcement in the
later.
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