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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (15 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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martcov

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  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #771
stupot07 said:
Not sure why have you quoted my post?

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Pushed the wrong button....
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #772
Grendel said:
Lol. What an arrogant prick you are

Typical nonsense. By the two left wing parties I assume you mean labour and the Scottish nationalists? The labour membership wouldn't fill a telephone box as the party has ignored it's base electorate for years.

It's leader is anti Europe and hadn't the stomach for the fight against the London elite in his party who pretend to give a damn about the values they are supposed to stand for.

What a bitter fool you are.
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He may well be bitter but it's you who's the fool and it's fools like you who have made people bitter.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #773
martcov said:
Pushed the wrong button....
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Fair do's!

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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #774
If only Blair/Brown secured a voting system which would of fairly reflected the will of those in the Labour Party instead of securing up their own power within the party.

Lucas put it so eloquently: Referendum, no that's populist.
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #775
I like the Germans, worked for a German company for 12 years, I like their beer, particularly Erdinger, I like their food and the style and the quality of the goods that they manufacture. I still have some friends around Wuppertal and I've been to Berlin, Hannover, Dresden, Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Cologne. I don't however like the EU and the arrogance with which those Germans in favour of it treat others. I hope we can all remain friends and we will, as long as many anti- EU Germans counter balance those so in favour of this 'Federal states of Europe nonsense' !
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #776
Statements like this sum it up :
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier vowed they "won't let anyone take Europe from us" but admitted people throughout the continent deserved better solutions to problems such as unemployment, the refugee crisis and terror.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #777
Grendel said:
Lol. What an arrogant prick you are.
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You have to laugh when you hear Grendel calling someone else an arrogant prick.
 
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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #778
The people have chosen Democracy over the economy. It's now up to the politicians to realise this. It seems the Labour Party is in meltdown over this and in complete denial at the moment.
 

LastGarrison

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #779
martcov said:
anti UK? I am one of approximately half the UK who think that the UK will have more problems out than in.
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You could have just used the phrase "I'm one of the minority" it would have saved time.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #780
LastGarrison said:
You could have just used the phrase "I'm one of the minority" it would have saved time.
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The total electorate for the referendum was 46,500,001. The leave vote was 17,410,742 which is 37.4%.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #781
Oh look in the spirit of democracy "euro style" the losers want to do it all again until we get the right answer.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mi...rexit-petition-calling-second-eu-8278791.amp#
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #782
Listening to Corbyn’s very odd press conference just now and bearing in mind the situation in Scotland got me thinking.

I sense that there might be forces at work that could turn this situation on its head.


Just thinking outside the box, here’s a possible scenario to be played out over the coming months:

Labour supported by the SNP and other ‘Remainers’ create an opportunity to force a vote of no confidence in the Government resulting in a General Election.

They then stand on a central manifesto pledge of staying in the EU and it’s job done. Labour/SNP coalition Government and UK stay in the EU.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #783
skybluetony176 said:
He may well be bitter but it's you who's the fool and it's fools like you who have made people bitter.
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Oh really? On what basis is that. Despite all the hyperbole the falls in the markets yesterday were nowhere near the "Wall Street" scenario that we were promised.

The FTSE didn't collapse at all and the pound versus the euro is where it was 18 months ago and also where it was pretty much against the dollar four months ago.

Markets react to big events and will again at each point of negotiation. However, manufacturing and exports will be boosted by any currency change anyway so that's no bad thing.

In another post you mentioned inflation. Short term it's suggested the BOE will reduce interest rates to zero. Actually I think that's a bad idea. I hope some inflation does occur - we need some growth in interest rates.
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #784
Grendel said:
Oh look in the spirit of democracy "euro style" the losers want to do it all again until we get the right answer.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.mi...rexit-petition-calling-second-eu-8278791.amp#
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do we keep going until someone gets 60%? - chances are each time you have a referendum turnout would fall so never get 75%
 
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Ashdown

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #785
SIR ERNIE said:
Listening to Corbyn’s very odd press conference just now and bearing in mind the situation in Scotland got me thinking.

I sense that there might be forces at work that could turn this situation on its head.


Just thinking outside the box, here’s a possible scenario to be played out over the coming months:

Labour supported by the SNP and other ‘Remainers’ create an opportunity to force a vote of no confidence in the Government resulting in a General Election.

They then stand on a central manifesto pledge of staying in the EU and it’s job done. Labour/SNP coalition Government and UK stay in the EU.
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A Labour government and EU continuation, that really would be the end of the UK for me !
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #786
tisza said:
do we keep going until someone gets 60%? - chances are each time you have a referendum turnout would fall so never get 75%
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Exactly. It's democracy that Robert Mugawbwe would applaud. Create a situation where you are locked into to anti democratic machine for ever but have elections to pretend people have free will.

Eurocrats hate fee thinkers and democracy. Countries across Europe are demanding to have a referendum - this basic democratic right will be denied to those countries who want to have a voice.
 

WestEndAgro

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #787
What a wonderful decision by the British people, thank God for democracy! Free at last
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #788
Grendel said:
Exactly. It's democracy that Robert Mugawbwe would applaud. Create a situation where you are locked into to anti democratic machine for ever but have elections to pretend people have free will.

Eurocrats hate fee thinkers and democracy. Countries across Europe are demanding to have a referendum - this basic democratic right will be denied to those countries who want to have a voice.
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I'm quite convinced this will happen
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #789
Grendel said:
Oh really? On what basis is that. Despite all the hyperbole the falls in the markets yesterday were nowhere near the "Wall Street" scenario that we were promised.

The FTSE didn't collapse at all and the pound versus the euro is where it was 18 months ago and also where it was pretty much against the dollar four months ago.

Markets react to big events and will again at each point of negotiation. However, manufacturing and exports will be boosted by any currency change anyway so that's no bad thing.

In another post you mentioned inflation. Short term it's suggested the BOE will reduce interest rates to zero. Actually I think that's a bad idea. I hope some inflation does occur - we need some growth in interest rates.
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The pound is equal to the euro because it was also damaged by yesterdays results. How's it standing up to the dollar? You know, the currency that the majority of world trade is done in? Oil prices for one are always quoted in dollars and let's see how much petrol at the pump goes up because of it. The same experts that predicted the fall of the of pound as an immediate effect of an out vote are now predicting further falls next week so it doesn't look like we're not out of the woods yet. Still Gove said we don't need to listen to the experts so I guess it will be alright then.

I work for a manufacturer who exports so as a snap shot that sounds good. Unfortunately the raw materials we use are all imported. Let's see if you have the brains to work out what that means.

We're also a consumer based economy not a manufacturing based economy which makes us net importers. How is that going to effect the cost of living?

Why are the BOE going to reduce the interest rate to zero? Is because they're expecting a recession and this is an attempt to stave it of at best or more likely lessen the impact?

You haven't really thought this through have you? Seems my out at any cost observation about you is true in every aspect of your thinking.
 

WestEndAgro

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #790
What a fantastic vote by the British people, thank God for democracy, the people have spoken.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #791
WestEndAgro said:
What a fantastic vote by the British people, thank God for democracy, the people have spoken.
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And confirmed that people are stupid.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #792
skybluetony176 said:
And confirmed that people are stupid.
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Is Ruth Lea stupid Tony?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #793
skybluetony176 said:
He may well be bitter but it's you who's the fool and it's fools like you who have made people bitter.
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And the clever person is the one who believed Cameron's lies and that the EU was going to give us concessions after they said on the day of the vote that there was no more that would be offered.

The EU is falling apart. Other countries want to leave. Youth unemployment is a disaster in many countries. They wanted more money all the time. Now they will have to find it elsewhere.

I can see the EU showing their true colours and giving us a hard time for wanting to leave. They will want to stop other countries leaving. But why should Germany run the EU?

Fuel prices were already going up. The pound was already going down against the dollar. The pound will start going up against the Euro soon. It is a poor currency. Share prices are where they were a couple of weeks ago. Yes things might be a bit difficult at times for the next couple of years. But in the long run we will be better off.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #794
skybluetony176 said:
And confirmed that people are stupid.
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I agree. You seem to have proved this point.
 
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lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #795
I don't get the whole "we need another vote until is answer is right" bullshit. Accept it and make it work.

If there was another vote I would be inclined to vote out, and I hate people who protest vote!
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #796
chiefdave said:
The total electorate for the referendum was 46,500,001. The leave vote was 17,410,742 which is 37.4%.
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so around the normal % for a govt to win power in a general election.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #797
or if this petition gets 60% of the 46 million registered voters to sign then they can have their 2nd referendum.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #798
Ashdown said:
Mr Anti English................Do you know wherever it is you are off to I hope they haven't got Wifi !!
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How is wanting Britain to remain in the EU anti-English?
I presume you were the idiot on the news yesterday who said he voted leave to get rid of the Muslims.
 
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Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #799
I voted remain but this 2nd referendum bullshit is wrong. I'm not happy about the outcome but I have the live with it and everyone else does too.
 
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dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #800
Terry Gibson's perm said:
Well you know what to do

My company used to own a factory in Holland what a place to work the staff were so looked after and extra months pay in the summer was nice but what a boring location It was.
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The Dutch government wouldn't necessarily honour the result of a referendum vote to leave.

There's an added complication in that there's no real border between Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg as it was at one time all one country. All three joined together and would probably have to leave together.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #801
dutchman said:
The Dutch government wouldn't necessarily honour the result of a referendum vote to leave.

There's an added complication in that there's no real border between Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg as it was at one time all one country. All three joined together and would probably have to leave together.
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Or into Germany as we found out one night when we went for a drive in our Dutch hire car with no passports and said let's head to Germany without thinking.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #802
Grendel said:
The FTSE didn't collapse at all and the pound versus the euro is where it was 18 months ago
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Why compare the Euro to 18 months ago? It was still down from the financial crash then. Look longer term and you see it was recovering and has now dropped again.


Of course that's only one day, we'll need to wait and see how it pans out.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #803
Philosorapter said:
Actually in Scotland Labour is known as a right of centre party. This is what happens when you ignore your core vote.

I believe the one reason that Labour has been able to rely on the core support in England is because there is no viable alternative party to vote for. Hence the slow rise of UKIP.
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Liberals seriously cocked up going into coalition in this respect.
 

RegTheDonk

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #804
The surge came as more than 100,000 people signed a petition calling on London Mayor Sadiq Khan to declare the capital independent from the UK and apply to join the European Union.
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Snip from that link Gren posted .... is that bit a wind up or are there some people who actually want that to happen? Lets hope some of the millions we've saved from Brussels goes into mental health treatment!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 25, 2016
  • #805
RegTheDonk said:
Snip from that link Gren posted .... is that bit a wind up or are there some people who actually want that to happen? Lets hope some of the millions we've saved from Brussels goes into mental health treatment!
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Windup I'm sure... but to follow the argument to itsend, if that's what the people want, then it should happen.
 
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