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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (14 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,911
Astute said:
There is zero evidence on a lot of what tou come out with. But you make it out to be a fact.
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...and you don't I suppose? I have seen you regularly describe your posts as 'the truth'.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,912
Astute said:
It has always been the same.

The UK gives. The EU takes.
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Well that is another „Trumpism“. Don’t you remember Maggie Thatcher and our rebate? Why are we not in the Euro? Why are we not in Schengen?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,913
Astute said:
Correct. We should be much further along by now.

I would say why but you and others would soon jump in and defend the EU.
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Would it be because we have a strong pm and a unified cabinet who have put clear and concise demands on the table? No? Oh what a surprise...
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,914
Sick Boy said:
Why is it fine for you to accuse people of 'twisting the truth', yet you just did that yourself?
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Someone says we voted to go into the EU. I say we didn't.

We didn't have a vote to join the EU. Yet you say I'm twisting the truth.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,915
Sick Boy said:
...and you don't I suppose? I have seen you regularly describe your posts as 'the truth'.
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We didn't vote to join the EU. That is the truth.

Was it the truth when it was said we voted to join the EU?

This could be fun.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,916
martcov said:
Well that is another „Trumpism“. Don’t you remember Maggie Thatcher and our rebate? Why are we not in the Euro? Why are we not in Schengen?
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Do we give money to the EU and the EU takes it?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,917
martcov said:
Would it be because we have a strong pm and a unified cabinet who have put clear and concise demands on the table? No? Oh what a surprise...
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So you have just agreed with me while using it to try and make a point against me?

You two are getting desperate. How about admitting that we didn't vote to join the EU?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,918
Astute said:
Someone says we voted to go into the EU. I say we didn't.

We didn't have a vote to join the EU. Yet you say I'm twisting the truth.
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We joined the common market and extended it, as much as all other countries in the EEC, to the EU. Yes... we ... the UK.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,919
Astute said:
So you have just agreed with me while using it to try and make a point against me?

You two are getting desperate. How about admitting that we didn't vote to join the EU?
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Our elected and sovereign parliament did. The Queen signed the necessary acts of parliament. Where were you?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,920
Astute said:
Do we give money to the EU and the EU takes it?
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Yes we do, we agreed to on our own interest.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,921
Astute said:
Someone says we voted to go into the EU. I say we didn't.

We didn't have a vote to join the EU. Yet you say I'm twisting the truth.
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You’re twisting the truth- again.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,922
martcov said:
You’re twisting the truth- again.
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Come on, he has no hidden agenda..he is neutral.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,923
Astute said:
We didn't vote to join the EU. That is the truth.

Was it the truth when it was said we voted to join the EU?

This could be fun.
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We had a referendum on the EEC. Our parliament did the rest... as it has done for over 200 years. Don’t you like our sovereign parliament? Or do you prefer mob rule by an irreversible referendum?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,924
Sick Boy said:
Come on, he has no hidden agenda..he is neutral.
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He should referee our games. CCFC would win the league..
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,925
martcov said:
Our elected and sovereign parliament did. The Queen signed the necessary acts of parliament. Where were you?
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I was alive then also. We didn't vote to join. So yet another true fact statement is false.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,926
skybluetony176 said:
Again it sounds like you’re saying that we shouldn’t have had a referendum to leave as we’d already had one to join and we’re not allowed to change our mind. It’s undemocratic. Apparently.
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You was saying Mart...

And who agreed I wonder.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,927
martcov said:
He should referee our games. CCFC would win the league..
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No hidden agenda.


I can't stand lies or twisting of the truth.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,928
martcov said:
Well that is another „Trumpism“. Don’t you remember Maggie Thatcher and our rebate? Why are we not in the Euro? Why are we not in Schengen?
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Why will any new country joining be a part of both?

We joined something that became the EU.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,929
Astute said:
So I ask you again. When did we vote to join the EU?

Why can't you answer a question that asks you to verify what you have said? You said we voted to join. We never did. So you make a comment and get backed up when you all know that it is a false statement.

Nice one.
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You clearly stated that 17 months isn’t a long enough period for people to be allowed to change their minds so I was just wondering what was. Personally I don’t mind if people changed their minds the following day whether they voted leave or remain or voted to join or not join all those years ago. Changing our minds make us human, it’s called free will. I don’t have a problem with that whether that be 1 day, 17 months or half a century later. You clearly do as you want to put a timescale of allowance on it. I was just wondering what that timescale was.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,930
Astute said:
It has always been the same.

The UK gives. The EU takes.
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You do realise that we are the EU? At least for now anyway. It’s us, not us and them.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,931
Astute said:
I can't stand lies or twisting of the truth.
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Hahaha you did it yourself earlier.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 21, 2017
  • #7,932
Astute said:
I was alive then also. We didn't vote to join. So yet another true fact statement is false.
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Our elected parliament did. Do you believe mob rule per referendum is better?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,933
skybluetony176 said:
You clearly stated that 17 months isn’t a long enough period for people to be allowed to change their minds so I was just wondering what was. Personally I don’t mind if people changed their minds the following day whether they voted leave or remain or voted to join or not join all those years ago. Changing our minds make us human, it’s called free will. I don’t have a problem with that whether that be 1 day, 17 months or half a century later. You clearly do as you want to put a timescale of allowance on it. I was just wondering what that timescale was.
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Just point out where I said that. This is becoming a joke.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,934
skybluetony176 said:
You do realise that we are the EU? At least for now anyway. It’s us, not us and them.
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And what was the point of this post?

We are in the EU. We are not the EU.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,935
Sick Boy said:
Hahaha you did it yourself earlier.
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Point it out then. Or is it just another lie.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,936
Astute said:
Point it out then. Or is it just another lie.
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Already have done.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,937
Still no further ahead, never going to happen.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,938
When you look across all the opinion polls over the last 6 months very little has changed. There is certainly no massive anti Brexit swing - in fact consistently 30% of all polled remain uninterested which means given the relative split of those interested only 30% of voters want a second vote.

The notion we can just have a poll a week of minds change (even though as I've pointed out there is no evidence of that) is getting beyond the realm of credibility.

However, as I've frequently pointed out, there is s process and that's vote through the ballot box for a party that wants one. The Tories won a majority on that election pledge and in the prior election the UKIP vote soared due to the pledge. So if the feeling is that great the Lib Dems WILL be the next party of government or at least form a sizeable coalition partner.

It's no good though saying there are other issues when we are being told by the pro Euro group this is the big issue. Clearly if the above scenario doesn't unfold and the polls are correct - it just isn't.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,939
Astute said:
Just point out where I said that. This is becoming a joke.
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So we are aloud to change our mind already then? Have you changed your mind on that? I’m cool with that if you have. Free will and all that.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,940
Astute said:
And what was the point of this post?

We are in the EU. We are not the EU.
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Now you’re just making the EU sound like two different things.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,941
Grendel said:
When you look across all the opinion polls over the last 6 months very little has changed. There is certainly no massive anti Brexit swing - in fact consistently 30% of all polled remain uninterested which means given the relative split of those interested only 30% of voters want a second vote.

The notion we can just have a poll a week of minds change (even though as I've pointed out there is no evidence of that) is getting beyond the realm of credibility.

However, as I've frequently pointed out, there is s process and that's vote through the ballot box for a party that wants one. The Tories won a majority on that election pledge and in the prior election the UKIP vote soared due to the pledge. So if the feeling is that great the Lib Dems WILL be the next party of government or at least form a sizeable coalition partner.

It's no good though saying there are other issues when we are being told by the pro Euro group this is the big issue. Clearly if the above scenario doesn't unfold and the polls are correct - it just isn't.
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One thing that polls have consistently shown though is that a majority believe the government is making a pig's ear out of negotiations.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,942
I dont see any harm in wanting the people to confirm they're happy with any deal made...

If leaving good for us, they will be after all.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,943
Macca said:
Still no further ahead, never going to happen.
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And how unfair is that? If we voted to remain would we of leaved?
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,944
Kingokings204 said:
And how unfair is that? If we voted to remain would we of leaved?
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look at the rabble at the helm of brexit, I wouldn't trust them to organise a kids birthday party. Don't know why people expected this to be anything but a farce.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 22, 2017
  • #7,945
Deleted member 5849 said:
I dont see any harm in wanting the people to confirm they're happy with any deal made...

If leaving good for us, they will be after all.
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Again if people want a say vince cable will be Pm if they don't then they are happy to let the government make the decision on their behalf.

That's democracy
 
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