And I wouldn't as I am a right wing racist?
Some people need to be able to see past their nose to see what is going on.
There are good things about being in the EU. There are bad things about being in the EU. There are good things about being out the EU. There are bad things about being out of the EU.
Saying that we will crash and burn if and when we leave is like saying it would happen if we vote leave. We voted leave. Most didn't happen. Our economy has got stronger.
This is why I haven't used guesswork on here. I have used facts as we know them. And we don't know many. You tell me what sort of deal we will end up with and I will tell you which direction I think we will go in.
None of those that only say about the best parts of being in the EU will say on how to deal with our massive homeless problem. All they do is blame the present and past governments. This doesn't solve the problem. Just staying in the EU will make the problem worse. Or at least until Juncker goes and he is replaced by someone who cares more about the people than making a superstate that all uses the same currency of which they have no control over.
If you want to help poorer countries the best you could do is give them billions before they join. Let them sort their problems out. Then when strong enough they could join. But presently they join, join the Euro, then find out that their people leave for the immediate benefit. Then they get into more financial difficulties as they are tied to a stronger currency than their economy can handle. This puts them further into debt. So more money is constantly needed.
I am lucky. I am in a position financially to be able to retire. But I am not 50 yet. I have 4 motors. My newest is on a 55 plate. I don't need to keep up with the Joneses. Yet have only ever broken down once. I don't waste thousands each year renting a car that I call mine. I have 3 contract phones. I never pay what they say they cost. I hit the sales as much as I can. I'm off to Zante in a few days time. Just been shopping. Got 4 pairs of shorts. Reduced from £45 to a fiver each. Saved £160. Bought various tops. Saved on average £30 on each. And they will all do for next year.
I don't go spending everything I have got each month. I don't count myself as being skint only when I have run out of credit. I plan for the future all the time. I won't have the millionaire lifestyle when I retire. My plan is to buy a new motor for the first time in my life. It will be about 80k for a motorhome. And spend the rest of my days either following my football club all over or touring Europe. All I will need is fuel money, site fees and money for food and a lot of drink. I would need about the same to stay at home and do nothing.
What happens is you have a lot of people that spend everything they have then blame others for being skint all the time.
You have to plan for the future. You can't rely on politicians. Most are after what is best for them. They are not bothered what happens to you.
I'm not too sure. It depends on who you listen to. Just normal politics.The FDP have a History of being a junior coalition partner. Last time with the CDU they screwed up. The SDP have repeated that they want to be the opposition party - if not AfD will be the largest opposition party. AfD have no real policy apart from we don't want foreigners. They will be like Trump... achieve nothing because they have no idea. BTW Schultz has said May is talking crap. Just pandering to U.K. Politics. He says the EU should not give her a transition period.
A passport will be good enough. Too many people in the EU depend on us having a holiday there to make things difficult.Let's hope that you won't need a Schengen visa then.
I'm not too sure. It depends on who you listen to. Just normal politics.
It is the lowest the SDP have gone post war. Merkel has lost close to a quarter of the votes she got last time also.
The German people are not as happy with the EU as many would like you to believe. It is the same story over a lot of the EU.
So are well over 10% of Germans racist or do they want change? And how many more would have given their vote to the AfD if they were not seen as a racist party?
What is your take on it Mart?
A passport will be good enough. Too many people in the EU depend on us having a holiday there to make things difficult.
As I keep saying lets see what sort of deal is made.Then presumably you will have no problem with EU citizens entering the UK with only a passport and no visa restrictions and to be able to stay as long as they like?
As I keep saying lets see what sort of deal is made.
I'm not too sure. It depends on who you listen to. Just normal politics.
It is the lowest the SDP have gone post war. Merkel has lost close to a quarter of the votes she got last time also.
The German people are not as happy with the EU as many would like you to believe. It is the same story over a lot of the EU.
So are well over 10% of Germans racist or do they want change? And how many more would have given their vote to the AfD if they were not seen as a racist party?
What is your take on it Mart?
Take a look at this.The analysis is that 60% of their voters ( according to polls ) used it as a protest vote - especially in the East. Where I am AfD is below 10% in the East up to over 20% in Saxony. It is seen as Nazi or racist- there are demos in Berlin in front of the building where they are celebrating. That implies that the majority of their voters are not hard line racists. There are some bad people in it though. I hope the FDP liberals get a good deal. They want an immigration law or ministry which lays down migration rules and the strengthening of the EU exterior borders.
The SPD have lost their basis to AfD in the working class areas because of the immigration problems.
Schulz said on the run up not to give us anything. His party got their lowest vote post war.All other parties are pro EU... 87% voted for them.
Schulz said on the run up not to give us anything. His party got their lowest vote post war.
Germany sells a lot here. Are their people worried where the pro EU direction is going? Lots have already had enough of freedom of movement. We are not alone.
Merkel will have to change if she wants to survive. Will Juncker be happy to see her struggle and maybe lose her place as PM of his biggest money giver?
You can guess if you like. I will wait and see.
87% never voted for the party seen as racist. It doesn't mean that they are Pro EU.All other parties are pro EU... 87% voted for them.
87% never voted for the party seen as racist. It doesn't mean that they are Pro EU.
How many in the UK voted for Farage? Were those who never voted for him Pro EU?
Isn't it strange how someone can take facts and make it into fiction.
So the million migrants that arrived in one year that they keep mentioning were all from outside the EU?I was under the impression that there is anxiety over non-EU migration? I wasn't aware that the Germans were resentful of other EU citizens moving there.
Even Farage mentioned that he was surprised that Brexit hadn't been mentioned as part of the election campaign?
All other parties are pro EU... 87% voted for them.
The same claims have been made by Leavers and members of this forum to claim that 80% of the UK now back Brexit.
The same claims have been made by Leavers and members of this forum to claim that 80% of the UK now back Brexit.
So the million migrants that arrived in one year that they keep mentioning were all from outside the EU?
OK point it out.
I am happy to have a debate with anyone. But not when they make their own lies....sorry.....facts up.
Here we go again. Something you either can't or won't answer so you change the subject with a stupid comment.I fully agree, claims that every Lab and Con voter were backing Brexit were lies.
Here we go again. Something you either can't or won't answer so you change the subject with a stupid comment.
You have become engrossed in the Brexit vote so much that you don't have a clue what the people of the EU are really thinking. You don't care as long as you get cheaper fruit and veg. You think that everyone who has a different view to yourself is wrong.
It is very sad that ordinary people are voting for racist parties as they have no say in matters. This gives the parties a voice. Freedom of speech gives them the right to be heard.
The Euro is a massive part of the EU. I think I have mentioned it enough times now.I was actually agreeing with your earlier point, but oh well.
Anyway, I would estimate half of my friends in the UK are from the EU. I also have friends across Europe, thanks...believe it or not, some of are even eurosceptics themselves, but they are more anti-Euro than EU and have concerns about non-EU migration.
I also believe it was inevitable that there would be a backlash following on from Merkel's open door policy with Syria. I'm not sure why you seemed to think the 1 million was referring to EU migration?
I don't think I've ever mentioned getting cheaper fruit or vegetables? I am concerned about inflation though and the poorest in our society being able to afford food.
No because they backed the wrong horse.
Lol no
Schulz said on the run up not to give us anything. His party got their lowest vote post war.
Germany sells a lot here. Are their people worried where the pro EU direction is going? Lots have already had enough of freedom of movement. We are not alone.
Merkel will have to change if she wants to survive. Will Juncker be happy to see her struggle and maybe lose her place as PM of his biggest money giver?
You can guess if you like. I will wait and see.
87% never voted for the party seen as racist. It doesn't mean that they are Pro EU.
How many in the UK voted for Farage? Were those who never voted for him Pro EU?
Isn't it strange how someone can take facts and make it into fiction.
87% never voted for the party seen as racist. It doesn't mean that they are Pro EU.
How many in the UK voted for Farage? Were those who never voted for him Pro EU?
Isn't it strange how someone can take facts and make it into fiction.
96% according to you and Martcov logic
So the million migrants that arrived in one year that they keep mentioning were all from outside the EU?
The Labour leave voters are also pissed off. Most of the leave voters are pissed off. It is being run by a remainer who wants to stay in longer than we should. Is it part of a plan?they always do.
why not? I'm not talking about winning the next election just clawing back some seats. The Labour remain vote is pissed off and will have to go somewhere.
The Labour leave voters are also pissed off. Most of the leave voters are pissed off. It is being run by a remainer who wants to stay in longer than we should. Is it part of a plan?
So what the parties are saying is what the voters are saying?No party has called for Drexit. All parties in the elefant round after the vote - except AfD which said the EU should be altered - said we need more EU.
That quote works both ways if you count 'we' as the UK or Germany.I doubt whether any plan was foreseen. No one knows where we are headed and May is playing for time.
So what the parties are saying is what the voters are saying?
Yesterday's vote should have opened your eyes. But it won't. Merkel lost nearly a quarter of her votes. The SDP lost even more. A new party came 3rd. They want out. They got nearly half of Merkels vote. And they would have got a lot more if they were not seen as racist.
So what the parties are saying is what the voters are saying?
Yesterday's vote should have opened your eyes. But it won't. Merkel lost nearly a quarter of her votes. The SDP lost even more. A new party came 3rd. They want out. They got nearly half of Merkels vote. And they would have got a lot more if they were not seen as racist.
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