Astute
Well-Known Member
OK lets pick this apart bit by bit.
Firstly what rules do we have where we can choose who and how many people we let in?
Does this go against the EU freedom of movement?
OK lets pick this apart bit by bit.That doesn't make sense? The present rules do prevent it but he UK government doesn't, or can't, enforce the rules. That being the case it doesn't matter what the rules are changed to.
EU Directive 2004/38/EC (which only the UK and Ireland opted out of) states EU citizens can only stay for 3 months (i.e. a holiday).
Any longer than that and both they and their family members must show they have sufficient resources and health insurance so they are not a burden on the host member state.
A member state can expel Union citizens on grounds of public policy, public security or public health.
How much stricter do you want it to be post Brexit and how do you think it will be enforced?
Where are you getting 100% occupancy from? The Department for Communities and Local Government / ONS figures show a steady rise in empty properties from 800K in 1996 to 1.1m in 2005 to 1.4m in 2014 (the last year the data has been released for). Only 1 in 10 social homes sold under right to buy is replaced, the number of new builds has dropped 97% since the conservatives came in to power.
At the same time there has been a 60% rise in people living in temporary accommodation, including 120,540 children and an increase in homelessness of 134%
Traditionally a change in personal circumstances has been the top cause of homelessness but it has now become in-affordability of private rentals following the end of a tenancy agreement.
No doubt related to that fact that 40% of social housing sold under right to buy ends up on the private rental market at up to seven time the previously paid rent.
I didn't say no student accommodation. I said it is a cheap and easy route for developers.
The builds are lower quality therefore cheaper. The rooms are smaller and other facilities shared meaning they can pack more people in and therefore generate more rent.
Build on the cheap, cash in and who cares if its falling apart in 25 years and needs replacing.
That doesn't make sense? The present rules do prevent it but he UK government doesn't, or can't, enforce the rules. That being the case it doesn't matter what the rules are changed to.
EU Directive 2004/38/EC (which only the UK and Ireland opted out of) states EU citizens can only stay for 3 months (i.e. a holiday).
Any longer than that and both they and their family members must show they have sufficient resources and health insurance so they are not a burden on the host member state.
A member state can expel Union citizens on grounds of public policy, public security or public health.
How much stricter do you want it to be post Brexit and how do you think it will be enforced?
Where are you getting 100% occupancy from? The Department for Communities and Local Government / ONS figures show a steady rise in empty properties from 800K in 1996 to 1.1m in 2005 to 1.4m in 2014 (the last year the data has been released for). Only 1 in 10 social homes sold under right to buy is replaced, the number of new builds has dropped 97% since the conservatives came in to power.
At the same time there has been a 60% rise in people living in temporary accommodation, including 120,540 children and an increase in homelessness of 134%
Traditionally a change in personal circumstances has been the top cause of homelessness but it has now become in-affordability of private rentals following the end of a tenancy agreement.
No doubt related to that fact that 40% of social housing sold under right to buy ends up on the private rental market at up to seven time the previously paid rent.
I didn't say no student accommodation. I said it is a cheap and easy route for developers.
The builds are lower quality therefore cheaper. The rooms are smaller and other facilities shared meaning they can pack more people in and therefore generate more rent.
Build on the cheap, cash in and who cares if its falling apart in 25 years and needs replacing.
Which has been caused by millions more people living in the UK than we have homes for. And more continue to come here.At the same time there has been a 60% rise in people living in temporary accommodation, including 120,540 children and an increase in homelessness of 134%
But how does it cause homelessness when they are lived in?No doubt related to that fact that 40% of social housing sold under right to buy ends up on the private rental market at up to seven time the previously paid rent.
Which has been caused by millions more people living in the UK than we have homes for. And more continue to come here.
So we should build on flood plains, supply houseboats and put tents on mountainsLess than 2% of the country is built upon, we need to build new homes not trying to to drive away talented, tax contributing workers.
Who has called him a scab?
Just seen the ever reliable Express mentioned it. Surprised you now consider yourself to be a socialist by the way.
OK lets pick this apart bit by bit.
Firstly what rules do we have where we can choose who and how many people we let in?
Does this go against the EU freedom of movement?
In Italy I had to produce a contract of employment just to open to bank account. They also have the infastructure in place to know the whereabouts of every eu citizen resident in the country.
Less than 2% of the country is built upon, we need to build new homes not trying to to drive away talented, tax contributing workers.
Why rather than condemn things do you deny them?
Labour MP Dennis Skinner branded a 'SCAB' by Corbyn fanatics after defying leader’s orders - News Pig
So we should build on flood plains, supply houseboats and put tents on mountains
So who is going to pay for the.millions.of new homes and where are the tradesmen going to come from?
Will you only be happy when there is no more land left to build on? Not enough hospitals? Not enough doctors? Not enough roads?
There is no absolute freedom of movement. As Dave says, you are supposed to get a job within so many months. It would help if we had ID cards and everyone was registered where they live. Probably a reason why we can't enforce the 3 months rule. We have no system of registration. Registration and ID cards would also help in the fight against terrorism. Who scrapped the plan for ID cards? What tossers.
Yes Jeremy Corbyn is a tosser I agree.
I think you mean Cameron and the tossees who scrapped ID cards. At least we would know who was in our country.
Oh dear you really must do your research better
Me in panic mode? That is down to those living in Germany or who has a partner from the EU. Because nobody can trust Juncker to want any sort of deal.You seem to be in panic mode. Let's see what happens when no more EU immigrants are there and the baby boomers and the ones like me - a couple of years younger- all retire and stop being productive. Who is going to look after us?
We all will start getting frailer and in the last years of our life will need more medical care and general care. The good news is that when we go you will have more housing available...
Me in panic mode? That is down to those living in Germany or who has a partner from the EU. Because nobody can trust Juncker to want any sort of deal.
So how about his latest rant? What a joke.
Would you like to explain this comment?The good news is that when we go you will have more housing available...
Would you like to explain this comment?
You don't even live in the UK.
With an EU army. More countries joining the EU. Wanting it to become what Russia was. Making the Euro mandatory. Making more positions for unvoted for gravy trainers that can't be voted out....and not voted in.Joke? He has made it quite clear that the EU can take advantage of Brexit to become fairer and efficienter. Life goes on. You won - get over it.
So you are not a part of your generation? You said when you leave.My generation does.
With an EU army. More countries joining the EU. Wanting it to become what Russia was. Making the Euro mandatory. Making more positions for unvoted for gravy trainers that can't be voted out....and not voted in.
Or did you miss it all?
So you are not a part of your generation? You said when you leave.
Turkey? What Russia was? A communist state? Gulags? One party state? Yes, I missed that.
EU military cooperation. Yes, I hope so. Can't rely on Trump.
Unvoted? You mean nominated by elected governments - as opposed to the House of Lords? Or the royal family?
Gravy trainers? Nigel Farage!
Mandatory Euro? Yes I can see the point of that. One market with one universal currency. Logic.
Is this the German 'we' or the British 'we'?I think it is good that we have low unemployment- although apparently foreigners have taken British workers jobs - and that in some regions wages are rising faster than house prices.
Junckers big speech today made me very happy I voted for brexit.
Indeed his speech was very worrying and chilling. A lot of things mentioned that we were told date not to think.
You mean get my facts wrong like you.
So Registration/Identity Cards are a good thing are they?There is no absolute freedom of movement. As Dave says, you are supposed to get a job within so many months. It would help if we had ID cards and everyone was registered where they live. Probably a reason why we can't enforce the 3 months rule. We have no system of registration. Registration and ID cards would also help in the fight against terrorism. Who scrapped the plan for ID cards? What tossers.
And this post is why we fundamentally disagree and what these millions of pages are all about. You want a United States of Europe. An anthem and no borders. You want a single currency throughout and you want a military army.
I want a Europe of individual nation states who each have their own identity and sovereignty. Courts are supreme in that country and all have their own currency. We all can trade and be friendly with each-other and share security.
This is basically the whole thread in a nut shell.
Who do you think would vote for ID cards?
A - civil liberty supporters such as Peter Hitchen, Shami Chakrabarti, David Cameron and Jeremy
B - White Supremacists
Corbyn voted against the bill you twerp.
The EU Citizens' Rights Directive 2004/38/EC. Clause 9 states EU citizens have an unrestricted right to visit for 3 months only.Firstly what rules do we have where we can choose who and how many people we let in?
The EU Citizens' Rights Directive 2004/38/EC is more commonly referred to as the EU Freedom of Movement Directive, it is the rules around which Freedom of Movement is based so can't possibly go against it.Does this go against the EU freedom of movement?
Because they aren't lived in. There is a record number of empty homes and its increasing.But how does it cause homelessness when they are lived in?
Who dropped ID cards after the election?
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