They aren't in the EU and they didn't vote in the referendum but they currently trade under protocol 3 of the UKs act of ascension so the UK leaving the EU will certainly impact them as that will fall away.The Isle of Man arent and never have been in the EU and couldn't vote in the referendum could they?
They aren't in the EU and they didn't vote in the referendum but they currently trade under protocol 3 of the UKs act of ascension so the UK leaving the EU will certainly impact them as that will fall away.
EU citizens are currently free to travel and reside on the Isle of Man so unless that is removed in order to control our borders as promised a hard border needs to be put in place. Of course its not quite as complicated as there isn't a land border as there is between ROI and NI so if you assume that there will be a hard border around the UK then there is no issue, even if there is a freedom of movement agreement with IoM they will still need to cross the UK border and subject to the checks put in place.
They aren't in the EU and they didn't vote in the referendum but they currently trade under protocol 3 of the UKs act of ascension so the UK leaving the EU will certainly impact them as that will fall away.
EU citizens are currently free to travel and reside on the Isle of Man so unless that is removed in order to control our borders as promised a hard border needs to be put in place. Of course its not quite as complicated as there isn't a land border as there is between ROI and NI so if you assume that there will be a hard border around the UK then there is no issue, even if there is a freedom of movement agreement with IoM they will still need to cross the UK border and subject to the checks put in place.
You assume because we have been repeatedly told by leave voters that they knew exactly what they were voting for and that included control of our borders. To have control of our borders it needs to actually exist, i.e.: a hard border."If you assume"
Says it all really. You are making assumptions and guesses (and taking large quoted extracts off wiki)
How can that be true if those voting leave knew exactly what they were voting for?No one as of yet has any idea what will happen.
Yes. Apart from media talk about what might be, where has it come forward as a serious proposal.Is that a serious question?
The negotiation is about making agreements with that EU. Your assumptions are based on the premise of the hardest of Brexit, but suppose that's the pro EU propaganda you believe (Not that there won't be disadvantages to the UK leaving)I would say that without any agreements you are a third party state. If you are a third party state your goods will be treated differently to those of a customs union member. That would mean a hard border with trade and passport controls. Or do you think that the EU has open borders?
Yes. As are the British government as you should have read, I saw it in the guardianGreat to hear that some on this thread are willing to compromise and retain freedom of movement in exchange for avoiding hard borders.
The negotiation is about making agreements with that EU. Your assumptions are based on the premise of the hardest of Brexit, but suppose that's the pro EU propaganda you believe (Not that there won't be disadvantages to the UK leaving)
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"If you assume"
Says it all really. You are making assumptions and guesses (and taking large quoted extracts off wiki)
No one as of yet has any idea what will happen. It's entirely conceivable and possible a border of movement will be allowed between the countries (in fact it's almost certain this will be the outcome) several countries and principalities throughout Europe have this solution.
I'm amazed the likes of you, Martcov and sick boy aren't on the Brexit committee as you seem so knowledgable - I see Tony liked your post.
Skybluetony one time UKIP voter and Nigel Farahe fanboy.
Some things you can't make up.
"If you assume"
Says it all really. You are making assumptions and guesses (and taking large quoted extracts off wiki)
No one as of yet has any idea what will happen. It's entirely conceivable and possible a border of movement will be allowed between the countries (in fact it's almost certain this will be the outcome) several countries and principalities throughout Europe have this solution.
I'm amazed the likes of you, Martcov and sick boy aren't on the Brexit committee as you seem so knowledgable - I see Tony liked your post.
Skybluetony one time UKIP voter and Nigel Farahe fanboy.
Some things you can't make up.
Yes. Apart from media talk about what might be, where has it come forward as a serious proposal.
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The assumption that you just put a cross on a ballot paper and that's that was obviously a pretty naive, if not stupid, assumption.
Yes but it should be relatively simple. Or at least it would be if the EU cretins will ever even attempt to negotiate a settlement. Thing is they don't want to, so it will drag on.If you're just going to make shit up at least try and remember the shit other people in your party made up and all stick to the same BS.
Yes but it should be relatively simple. Or at least it would be if the EU cretins will ever even attempt to negotiate a settlement. Thing is they don't want to, so it will drag on.
In the meantime we start to get common sense policy muted like giving preference to UK workers for unskilled employment opportunities over migrants. If this had been done 15 years ago Brexit would not have happened and the UK would not be nursing half of Europe's lowest skilled and undesirable unchecked characters.
We already have this, we just choose not to enforce it.In the meantime we start to get common sense policy muted like giving preference to UK workers for unskilled employment opportunities over migrants. If this had been done 15 years ago Brexit would not have happened and the UK would not be nursing half of Europe's lowest skilled and undesirable unchecked characters.
Unsurprisingly the Brexiteers' hero Rees Mogg has show his true colours.
He's no hero of mine
I find it bizarre he seems to be so popular, the idea of him as PM is ludicrous.
I'm in agreement of your last paragraph for sure, the UK Govt. has been culpable of being slack. But the point I'm making is that there are still 2 million unemployed Brits, many relatively unskilled who should be taking much of the warehouse type employment that is currently being snaffled up by foreigners. I'm not saying that many of the EU and other foreign workers are not important to the UK but promoting our own unemployed over other countries unemployed should indeed be priority and legislation should come in to ensure that companies attempt to employ Brits first.We already have this, we just choose not to enforce it.
Freedom of movement from other EU countries to the UK only applies to economically active (i.e. working) persons. Non economically active persons can only visit for 3 months, the same (or in many cases more restrictive) as we can visit other non-EU countries. To stay longer they would have to provide proof of finance and medical insurance coverage.
As an EU citizen freedom of movement to the UK doesn't apply if you aren't working or have little prospect of getting a job (i.e. unskilled).
EU citizens only acquire access to benefits in the UK they have been in work for a period of time.
We also have the right to suspend freedom of movement for seven years if a new country joins the EU.
So what additional rules do you want put in place and if those rules are put in place what will be different? At present the UK does not track the status of EU citizens and does not enforce the restrictions. That doesn't seem to me to be the fault of the EU or our membership of it.
I'm in agreement of your last paragraph for sure, the UK Govt. has been culpable of being slack. But the point I'm making is that there are still 2 million unemployed Brits, many relatively unskilled who should be taking much of the warehouse type employment that is currently being snaffled up by foreigners. I'm not saying that many of the EU and other foreign workers are not important to the UK but promoting our own unemployed over other countries unemployed should indeed be priority and legislation should come in to ensure that companies attempt to employ Brits first.
What should be looked at is why people won't take those jobs. Often its down to pay and conditions. There was a chap on Radio 4 recently who had voted leave but was getting worried that his fruit farm would have to close if unskilled workers aren't let in. He said he'd only ever had one British employee and they left after a day.Problem is a lot of those 2 million won't take those warehouse, fruit picking, working in the service area type of jobs for numerous reasons from unwilling to move area to where those jobs are available (fair enough, it's up to them), see that type of work as beneath them (fair enough again, it's up to them) or simply just don't want to work and EU immigration is a convenient excuse to not have a job and probably another gazillion reasons in between.
I find it bizarre he seems to be so popular, the idea of him as PM is ludicrous.
He himself finds it ludricous.
He's popular as like Corbyn and Johnson he appears different. He seems a character in a grey sea.
Are you referring to his interview on this morning? I thought he came across well. Certainly better than the squawking gay journalist who typically was crying about allowing free speech and debate on an issue he didn't concur with.
Shocking. What's the problem with a woman's right to abortion, especially in the case of rape?
There isn't but there also isn't a problem in a free and tolerant society with expression of views is there?
Really, have you seen the crime rates soaring and the lists of wanted by the police, MI5 increasing numbers every year to increase surveillance. Burglary, muggings and vandalism are more or less just being referred back to insurance companies.you don't half talk some utter nonsense.
Really, have you seen the crime rates soaring and the lists of wanted by the police, MI5 increasing numbers every year to increase surveillance. Burglary, muggings and vandalism are more or less just being referred back to insurance companies.
I suppose, especially as it shows him up as the out of touch bigot that he really is.
But if he lived in a society which has his views as the vast majority the out of touch bigot is you.
It'a actually easy to see why he's popular as he gives his real opinion. We've been subjected to a succession of snake oil salesmen like the Blair creature, the hideous heir to Blair in Cameron and the robotic May it's not that difficult to see some reason for his popularity. I'd say the only principalled prime minister weve had since Callaghan was Major. Thatcher was a marketing invention. She was really a hopeless europhile and actually a better actor than Blair.
Corbyn was popular as he also was himself and people warmed to it. Now he believes in his own publicity he is developing many disengenuos traits.
Imagine if McDonnell succeeded him and was contesting against Reece-Mogg. That would be great. Tub thumping Marxism against a Conservative Party (it has existed only in name since the 60's)
Oh and whoever won at least we know they'd persue the hardest of Brexits with much enthusiasm
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