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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (13 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,786
skybluetony176 said:
The use of food banks has gone up 50-fold under the Tories. There’s a statistic you can be proud of.
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Agree, you didn't that sense of community and 'can-do' spirit under Labour.
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,787
Another personal Brexit story, after I mentioned yesterday it's cost our company £000,000s

Ordered some important parts from Sweden a few weeks back, they've been stuck in Denmark for 10 days and counting going through customs checks. No idea when they'll be released.

Still, blue passports eh!
 
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wingy

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,788
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It was Waitrose, be honest
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More likely to be a foodbank recently, however things are becoming promising, more opportunities opening up .
Fairly busy month gone and Potential longer-term scheme's being discussed, just hope they come to fruition six months on from first discussion.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,789
fernandopartridge said:
Even with the logistical and qualitative disadvantage that importing meat from the other side of the globe brings? What do Ozzie cows eat?
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Bats
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,790
Grendel said:
So you'd rather have zero foodbanks?
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As it would almost certainly mean we didn't need them, yes of course I would!

Most food banks aren't paid for by govt but by volunteers and charities, so they only exist when and where there is a need for them. So if we have foodbanks, it means there's people who can't afford to feed themselves properly.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,791
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
As it would almost certainly mean we didn't need them, yes of course I would!

Most food banks aren't paid for by govt but by volunteers and charities, so they only exist when and where there is a need for them. So if we have foodbanks, it means there's people who can't afford to feed themselves properly.
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What countries don’t have them?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,792
dubed said:
Agree, you didn't that sense of community and 'can-do' spirit under Labour.
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Because people didn't need to make sure so many people could afford to feed themselves. Plenty more homeless now too. Is that because there was more community spirit under Labour taking these people in? Or just there weren't quite as many of them?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,793
Grendel said:
What countries don’t have them?
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I was talking about the ideal situation. If there was no foodbanks there would be no food poverty. Sadly we don't live in that situation and there will always be at least some need for them regardless.

Fact the number of them here has shot up in the last few years is not something to crow about. it's something to be ashamed of.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,794
Grendel said:
What countries don’t have them?
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Do you think there’s lots of countries that Dreamer thinks are perfect?
 

shmmeee

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,795
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,796
wingy said:
Not sure it was that for Massey's Evo.
Being both Canadian/British company.
Poland wasn't any where EU then.
Not even sure we were completely right tied into it at that point .
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It was around 2005 wasn't it? My old man was there when it shut , can't be arsed to phone and ask
 
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PVA

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,797
It's astonishing that he's trying to say more foodbanks means the government is doing a great job.

The lengths some people will go to to taste the soles of Tory boots.
 
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wingy

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,798
Crikey thought it was early mid 80's.
First production over there was around 74. Followed by redundancies strikes etc,think there was a French plant too.
Poland joined EU 2004.

"Massey-Ferguson: Tractors - Graces Guide" Massey-Ferguson: Tractors - Graces Guide.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,799
PVA said:
It's astonishing that he's trying to say more foodbanks means the government is doing a great job.

The lengths some people will go to to taste the soles of Tory boots.
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Eh? Every country has food banks - well I’d guess North Korea doesn’t or some other socialist idyll. If you think Labour will bring utopia then that’s an interesting view. Do you think they should be banned?
 

clint van damme

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,800
Grendel said:
Eh? Every country has food banks - well I’d guess North Korea doesn’t or some other socialist idyll. If you think Labour will bring utopia then that’s an interesting view. Do you think they should be banned?
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Wouldn't it be great if we could be better than the others and made sure everyone in the worlds 6th biggest economy could afford to feed themselves as used to happen?
 

Grendel

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,801
clint van damme said:
Wouldn't it be great if we could be better than the others and made sure everyone in the worlds 6th biggest economy could afford to feed themselves as used to happen?
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Well I’m sure most still could but commercial expectations arise and if it’s there people will eat it
 
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PVA

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,802
Grendel said:
Eh? Every country has food banks - well I’d guess North Korea doesn’t or some other socialist idyll. If you think Labour will bring utopia then that’s an interesting view. Do you think they should be banned?
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,803
Grendel said:
Well I’m sure most still could but commercial expectations arise and if it’s there people will eat it
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Meaning?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,804
Grendel said:
Eh? Every country has food banks - well I’d guess North Korea doesn’t or some other socialist idyll. If you think Labour will bring utopia then that’s an interesting view. Do you think they should be banned?
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Point missed again, probably on purpose given the straw man argument you finished on. It's a stark reality that some help for the needy will be required regardless of how well a country is doing or who is in charge. Even in the best performing places in the world there will be some who will be short of food.

But to have so many foodbanks starting in so many areas in such a short space of time shows a catastrophic failure to enable people to afford their own food either through their wages or social security. It cannot be seen as anything else.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,805
The only way this could improve is if they alternated the columns red, white and blue. God save the queen.

#uplifting
 
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wingy

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,806
skybluetony176 said:
The only way this could improve is if they alternated the columns red, white and blue. God save the queen.
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#uplifting
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Correlation Austerity George followed by Hammond.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,807
skybluetony176 said:
The only way this could improve is if they alternated the columns red, white and blue. God save the queen.
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#uplifting
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Sadly mate , foodbanks are a huge thing all across Europe and the world really.

We aren't unique

GSTQ
 
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wingy

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,808
skybluetony176 said:
The only way this could improve is if they alternated the columns red, white and blue. God save the queen.
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#uplifting
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It's difficult to ascertain the causes of this hardship.
Several events, one outcome more people in need of them.
We had the crash ,we had austerity, we've had the introduction of universal credit which I think has led to reduced income,phasing down of family credit etc.
And finally the current shit.
 
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PVA

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,809
So the Trussell Trust think the government need to end the need for food banks.

Tory bootlickers think the more foodbanks the better the government is doing.

Hmm, who to believe?

The State of Hunger - a foundation for a plan to end the need for food banks - The Trussell Trust

By Tom Weekes, Research Manager Yesterday the Trussell Trust released
www.trusselltrust.org


Almost half of people at food banks have money taken by government from benefit payments during economic crisis - The Trussell Trust

The Trussell Trust says 47% of households surveyed at food banks during the summer
www.trusselltrust.org
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,810
Evo1883 said:
Sadly mate , foodbanks are a huge thing all across Europe and the world really.

We aren't unique

GSTQ
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Murder is a problem all around the world. Maybe we should be more accepting of murder too. Really not sure what the point you’re making is. I’m not comparing us to the rest of the world I’m comparing us to us 10-15 years ago and it’s a grotesque stat and a severe measurement of failure.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,811
skybluetony176 said:
Murder is a problem all around the world. Maybe we should be more accepting of murder too. Really not sure what the point you’re making is. I’m not comparing us to the rest of the world I’m comparing us to us 10-15 years ago and it’s a grotesque stat and a severe measurement of failure.
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All I'm saying is your using it as a point to make Britain out to be shit , and whilst it's a valid point and a horrible thing , it's not exclusive to Britain.

Every developed nation in the world is basically failing people
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,812
Evo1883 said:
All I'm saying is your using it as a point to make Britain out to be shit , and whilst it's a valid point and a horrible thing , it's not exclusive to Britain.
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A 50-fold increase in food banks in ten years in any country looks shit and in any normal society would be inexcusable. No one is saying it is exclusive to Britain. Still not sure what point you’re making.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,813
skybluetony176 said:
A 50-fold increase in food banks in ten years in any country looks shit and in any normal society would be inexcusable. No one is saying it is exclusive to Britain. Still not sure what point you’re making.
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I'm not sure why we are talking foodbanks in the EU thread to be fair ..It's not related , surely its one for the boring politics thread
 

Grendel

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,814
PVA said:
So the Trussell Trust think the government need to end the need for food banks.

Tory bootlickers think the more foodbanks the better the government is doing.

Hmm, who to believe?

The State of Hunger - a foundation for a plan to end the need for food banks - The Trussell Trust

By Tom Weekes, Research Manager Yesterday the Trussell Trust released
www.trusselltrust.org


Almost half of people at food banks have money taken by government from benefit payments during economic crisis - The Trussell Trust

The Trussell Trust says 47% of households surveyed at food banks during the summer
www.trusselltrust.org
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So people who have lauded the New Zealand PM like say The Tonester and Chief Dave are Tory bootlickers?
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,815
Evo1883 said:
I'm not sure why we are talking foodbanks in the EU thread to be fair ..It's not related , surely its one for the boring politics thread
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If you look at the graph it sort of is. It was starting to plateau prior to 2016 before starting to rise again for some reason.
 

Grendel

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,816
Evo1883 said:
I'm not sure why we are talking foodbanks in the EU thread to be fair ..It's not related , surely its one for the boring politics thread
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I'm sure plenty of Poles who live in disgusting conditions to wash cars need foodbanks
 

Evo1883

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,817
skybluetony176 said:
If you look at the graph it sort of is. It was starting to plateau prior to 2016 before starting to rise again for some reason.
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Except the graph shows its been rising since 2012

And 2020 had the pandemic to contend with
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,818
Evo1883 said:
Except the graph shows its been rising since 2012

And 2020 had the pandemic to contend with
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Yes I’m aware of that.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,819
The reality is france Spain and Italy continue to have bigger food shortage issues than everybody in Europe.

France have the second biggest problem in the developed world

Frances problem got worse during the pandemic Reliance on food banks grows in France amid COVID-19 fallout

It's not brexit related , all feels a bit like an argument for an argument
 
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skybluetony176

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  • May 21, 2021
  • #50,820
Grendel said:
So people who have lauded the New Zealand PM like say The Tonester and Chief Dave are Tory bootlickers?
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Oops. There goes my straw man argument alarm.
 
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