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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (22 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,386
here is an article the clearly independent chap wrote 4 years ago. He’s basically farage in reverse

Understanding Brexit: Why does it feel like this and where do we go from here? | IPPR

The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) is an independent charity working towards a fairer, greener, and more prosperous society.
www.ippr.org
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,387
Grendel said:
Nice try - hardly a qualified view

Tom Kibasi Archives

order-order.com
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The lack of deal for the Services industry is definitely a concern.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,388
Grendel said:
Nice try - hardly a qualified view

Tom Kibasi Archives

order-order.com
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Grendel said:
here is an article the clearly independent chap wrote 4 years ago. He’s basically farage in reverse

Understanding Brexit: Why does it feel like this and where do we go from here? | IPPR

The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) is an independent charity working towards a fairer, greener, and more prosperous society.
www.ippr.org
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Only problem is the article (You’ve clearly not even read) is written by Benjamin Mueller not Tom Kibasi.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,389
Sick Boy said:
The lack of deal for the Services industry is definitely a concern.
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the Author is an EU obsessed nut job
 

SomersetSB

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,390
David O'Day said:
I know it's the season of good will but you really are a weird and sad man.

Also I would bet you aren't much to look it either.
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Why be personal?Thats your get out clause when you have no argument or don’t like a decision.
Grow a pair accept it and move on.
We are not remaining,We are leaving the eu.
Happy new year to you!!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,391
It’sabatch87 said:
Why be personal?Thats your get out clause when you have no argument or don’t like a decision.
Grow a pair accept it and move on.
We are not remaining,We are leaving the eu.
Happy new year to you!!
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They’ve all found a new hero

Tom Kibasi

Commissioner, IPPR Commission on Health and Prosperity Kibasi Tom Tom is the former director of the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) Shortly after his appointment in mid-2016, Tom …
www.ippr.org

God soon they will state Femi as an independent authority
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,392
Grendel said:
Nice try - hardly a qualified view

Tom Kibasi Archives

order-order.com
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You can hardly sight Guido as a witness for anything.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,393
fernandopartridge said:
You can hardly sight Guido as a witness for anything.
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Haha just realised that
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,394
Sick Boy said:
Haha just realised that
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what about the other links? He’s a massive remainer with a jaundiced view
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,395
It’sabatch87 said:
Why be personal?Thats your get out clause when you have no argument or don’t like a decision.
Grow a pair accept it and move on.
We are not remaining,We are leaving the eu.
Happy new year to you!!
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I was being truthful.

Also once again I have said I am happy there is a deal even if it is as shitty as this one as the only other option was no deal. I have not mentioned remaining. If you are going to speak to me then at least learn to read first.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,396
It’sabatch87 said:
Why be personal?Thats your get out clause when you have no argument or don’t like a decision.
Grow a pair accept it and move on.
We are not remaining,We are leaving the eu.
Happy new year to you!!
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We left the EU a year ago. How can you clowns be this obsessed with something and not even notice when it happens?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 26, 2020
  • #49,397
There should be no talk of re-running referendums lest it give that arsehole Sturgeon any ideas. Allow another 20-30 years at least on both counts. That said, if 'hardly anyone will notice the difference', one might argue why we spent 5 years dividing the country and spending billions upon billions of pounds to not fundamentally change very much.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,398
Brighton Sky Blue said:
There should be no talk of re-running referendums lest it give that arsehole Sturgeon any ideas. Allow another 20-30 years at least on both counts. That said, if 'hardly anyone will notice the difference', one might argue why we spent 5 years dividing the country and spending billions upon billions of pounds to not fundamentally change very much.
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To save billions of pounds for a start
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,399
Grendel said:
To save billions of pounds for a start
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How much has the process of leaving cost us since the vote?
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,400
Grendel said:
what about the other links? He’s a massive remainer with a jaundiced view
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Play the ball not the player
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,401
The UK hasn't saved any money as the depression of GDP will cost the UK more than any money saved.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,402
shmmeee said:
There’ll be no objective dispassionate assessment of Brexit. We’ve seen that already. Everything is written off as one offs, or shifty foreigners not giving us our due, or going to happen any way.

Whatever happens next half the country will say it was because of Brexit and half won’t, all that’ll change is which half says which.

The fact is we’re talking basic laws of trade here, not some great unknown. We know putting up trade barriers will result in less trade just like we know any other scientific facts. We’re just obliged out of politeness to pretend we don’t know this so we don’t hurt people’s feelings.
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Going on this post it sounds like you agree with Brexit as it removes trade barriers.

We will be able to trade with just about anyone in the world on terms we can agree to and not terms we are told we must use.

And as I also stated the EU will always want to trade with us on good terms as so many of their communities depend on us. The last minute deal? Just like I said for the last few years that got constantly rubbished on here.

Are both sides putting it forward as a victory?

It wouldn’t surprise me if this last minute deal was agreed on months ago but stretched to the very end to make most happier about the situation.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,403
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How much has the process of leaving cost us since the vote?
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Just like buying a house.

Costs a lot of money to start with. You then have extra costs of upkeep. But the further down the line the more beneficial it becomes. You can choose what it looks like. You can expand it. And you always have the choice of going back to renting if you want.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,404
Sky Blue Pete said:
Gove and johnson are charlatans. They know this will negatively impact the country. They will lead the rejoin campaign
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Covid could well be the saviour of the Tories.

Things go badly.... blame Covid.
Things just tick along.... would have been great but for the virus.

We recover at the same pace or better than others..... best move we ever made.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,405
Sick Boy said:
The lack of deal for the Services industry is definitely a concern.
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We have many concerns. The services industry is one of many.

But it will be more minor things that those who were desperate for Brexit will notice first. Duty free will be top of the list. No more filling up your boot with booze/wine/spirits/fags/baccy. No more filling up a removals van and just heading to Spain for retirement. Most probably needing a return ticket when you go for a long tour of Europe and having to show you have the funds to cover your holiday. No more than 90 days in a rolling 180 days in the majority of Europe.

These are the type of events that will be noticeable by most. They won't see things like the logistical nightmares many will suffer so won't even consider them.
 
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stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,406

The Brexit deal is done – but many crucial issues are unresolved

Security, data and the services sector are still in limbo after a ‘thin’ agreement struck to avoid disaster
www.theguardian.com

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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,407
I see the fishing industries darling has abandoned them. As the fishing industry is declaring the deal a stitch up and that they’ve been sold down the river, Farage has done a disappearing act on them. Couldn’t shut him up last week when he was trying to push a no deal because of fishing, not a single word now.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,408
Talking about fish. Wow this is bad


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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,409
I’d be much more concerned about the lack of deal for Services. Fishing is tiny in comparison but I guess it’s better at getting people angry with jingoistic nonsense.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,410
David O'Day said:
Talking about fish. Wow this is bad


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It’s going to equate to a 25% growth in the U.K. quota by the end of the 5 1/2year process and then negotiations begin again. If Brexit is a flop the fishermen will be sold out again in the hope of negotiating better access for other industries.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,411
Sick Boy said:
I’d be much more concerned about the lack of deal for Services. Fishing is tiny in comparison but I guess it’s better at getting people angry with jingoistic nonsense.
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Very true but fishing was very much the window dressing of the leave campaign (along with the NHS bollocks). It’s no surprise that the fishing industry feels betrayed. They have been. To be honest though I have little sympathy for them, take Boris, Gove etc at their word at your own risk. Take anything Farage has to say seriously at your own risk. They put their faith in the wrong people, simple as that.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,412
skybluetony176 said:
It’s going to equate to a 25% growth in the U.K. quota by the end of the 5 1/2year process and then negotiations begin again. If Brexit is a flop the fishermen will be sold out again in the hope of negotiating better access for other industries.
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after 5 and a half years if we try to cut the EU quota anymore they will add tariffs to the UK fish imported into the EU.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,413
Sick Boy said:
I’d be much more concerned about the lack of deal for Services. Fishing is tiny in comparison but I guess it’s better at getting people angry with jingoistic nonsense.
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Services are the most important and the lack of a deal will see more companies leave the city for places like Frankfurt but the Fish stiff is pretty messed up given the big deal they made about it.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,414
The one thing I’ve not seen is do UK fishermen still have access to EU waters? Is the access reciprocal? Not seen that reported anywhere. Really been sold down the river if not.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,415
David O'Day said:
after 5 and a half years if we try to cut the EU quota anymore they will add tariffs to the UK fish imported into the EU.
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Yeah there’s that angle to it also. The fishing industry really has been fucked over.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,416
skybluetony176 said:
Very true but fishing was very much the window dressing of the leave campaign (along with the NHS bollocks). It’s no surprise that the fishing industry feels betrayed. They have been. To be honest though I have little sympathy for them, take Boris, Gove etc at their word at your own risk. Take anything Farage has to say seriously at your own risk. They put their faith in the wrong people, simple as that.
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Agreed, they were taken advantage of by the Brexit elite as they knew it could be turned into an emotive issue to get the wider public riled up.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,417
Sick Boy said:
Agreed, they were taken advantage of by the Brexit elite as they knew it could be turned into an emotive issue to get the wider public riled up.
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Fishing will be the next thing brexit was never about.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,418
Sick Boy said:
Agreed, they were taken advantage of by the Brexit elite as they knew it could be turned into an emotive issue to get the wider public riled up.
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To provide a bit of balance, the fisherman of various EU member states are also kicking off and claiming to have been ‘sacrificed’ too. Particularly in Ireland and France.

With that in mind, it’s probably fair to say the cost of compromise is that neither side is truly happy.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,419
Sovereignty over access

Ffs
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 27, 2020
  • #49,420
Mucca Mad Boys said:
To provide a bit of balance, the fisherman of various EU member states are also kicking off and claiming to have been ‘sacrificed’ too. Particularly in Ireland and France.

With that in mind, it’s probably fair to say the cost of compromise is that neither side is truly happy.
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There’s a small difference though in that one side voted for the whole process to get a better deal.
 
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